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  • The film: Knowing
     OP - April 30, 2009, 02:09 AM

    Went to the cinema tonight in true "Milking Orange Wednesday" fashion. Watched "Knowing". I didn't actually want to watch this but "State of Play" had already started by the time I got there. I can tell you one thing though, I am so glad I missed that because Knowing was absolutely mindblowing!

    I got home, googled the film and was shocked to find that it received really poor ratings, but if you look at more unofficial ratings and comments on blogspots, the reviews are a little more mixed.

    One thing I have noticed on the blogs, which is rather strange, is that one or two people are praising this film as being an ideological and evangelical film. They're praising the director Alex Proyas for succesfully getting people to think Christian again but not coming across as too preachy.

    On the radical extreme though, one or two have replied to such comments by calling the film deeply Anti-Christian and Anti-God. Very interesting indeed! And in my opinion, both views seem just as plausible as each other.

    What really bugs me about the poor ratings is that many critics are calling the film "morbidly depressing". How dare they! It is a terror/thriller for crying out loud! They might aswell have just said "Uh no, not this film, it was too gripping!" ...like... wut?

    Another thing criticis are saying is that the plot isn't clear cut so those who are really picky about connected loose ends to storylines will hate the film. However, I am usually the one who annoys my friends after watching films insisting that they don't make sense, for example, "but that just didn't make sense! How could she have had a child with him... he was a turtle!"  Huh?  Yet, I found that the amount of action and suspense stopped me from analyzing the consistency of the plot, which can only be a good sign.

    I think the best word I can use to describe this film is "Overwhelming". The first word my gf used was "Wierd" lol.
    I would definately recommend you go see it Smiley If you have seen it, tell me what you think!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #1 - April 30, 2009, 03:21 AM

    The film was terrible in my opinion.

    Nicholas Cage has done way better in his acting, he just seemed so...fake.

    I thought the dialogue was horrid. "My scientific mind tells me we should leave it alone" - Uhm, how is that science?

    The movie was based on Scientology (and I believe Nick Cage is in fact a Scientologist...I could be wrong here). It seemed like a recruit video for Scientology.

    That was 15 bucks I wish I had spent on seeing Fast and Furious (yes, I thought it was THAT bad!).

    It's not so much that it was because it was based on religion/a cult, I love watching religious movies so that I can keep an open mind, but this movie was practically anti-everything-but-Scientology (anti-Atheists for example). I, for one, came out of the cinema angry.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #2 - April 30, 2009, 04:21 AM

    So is that F&F 1 or F&F 2 you'd rather see? I'm trying to figure out exactly how bad this Knowing is.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #3 - April 30, 2009, 05:16 AM

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #4 - April 30, 2009, 06:00 AM

    So is that F&F 1 or F&F 2 you'd rather see? I'm trying to figure out exactly how bad this Knowing is.


    The new one...whatever it is. It was a full house so we chose Knowing instead.

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?


    I thought it was Mormonism too...but I did some research and it was actually Scientology.

    I don't think there were any black people in the movie actually, I never thought of that!
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #5 - April 30, 2009, 06:20 AM

    There's no black people in it?  That sounds suspiciously Mormon to me.  Mind you, Hollywood is chock full of Scientologists so that would make sense too.  In fact, I think Nic Cage is a Scientologist.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #6 - April 30, 2009, 06:59 AM

    Actually, I remember seeing a black person in the Astro-Physics class...my bad.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #7 - April 30, 2009, 07:02 AM

    The Scientologists are just as crazy as the Mormons anyway.

    Didn't know there was a new Fist and Fatuous out. I only saw the first two of them and that was enough. The second one was tragic.

    ETA: Mind you some of the cars were cool and Eva Mendes rocks.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #8 - April 30, 2009, 07:36 AM

    The Scientologists are just as crazy as the Mormons anyway.

    Dammit. Tryna find a quote from Bill Maher's Religulous. I'll just paraphrase,

    "They have to get crazier and crazier just to keep up! Virgin birth and talking snake? I'll raise you: Kolob and baptism of the dead; Xenu and thetans!"

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #9 - April 30, 2009, 07:58 AM

    I wish the Mormons had called their sacred planet Skollob, that way it would have made perfect sense if read backwards.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #10 - April 30, 2009, 09:04 AM

    This article does a pretty good and hilarious job of explaining my problem with Nicolas Cage.

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/lets-play-nicolas-cage/

    Incidentally, I just came back from watching "17 Again" and it was surprisingly good in terms of entertainment value. Especially considering I went into it not thinking much of Zack Effron. Then again, the euphoria of having just finished finals might have lowered my standards just a tad tonight. Oh well, that just gives me an excuse to watch it again online  grin12

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #11 - April 30, 2009, 10:55 AM

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?


    Mormons believe black people will be raptured??  Huh? Right...

    Well, no, is your answer. Absolutely everyone on earth dies. It goes on for about 4 minutes with absolutely gasping cinematics.. Only people that are saved are at least 2 kids, maybe a couple more... don't want to spoil it for you where they go... I thought the ending was brilliant... very symbolic.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #12 - April 30, 2009, 10:56 AM

    The film was terrible in my opinion.

    Nicholas Cage has done way better in his acting, he just seemed so...fake.

    I thought the dialogue was horrid. "My scientific mind tells me we should leave it alone" - Uhm, how is that science?

    The movie was based on Scientology (and I believe Nick Cage is in fact a Scientologist...I could be wrong here). It seemed like a recruit video for Scientology.

    That was 15 bucks I wish I had spent on seeing Fast and Furious (yes, I thought it was THAT bad!).

    It's not so much that it was because it was based on religion/a cult, I love watching religious movies so that I can keep an open mind, but this movie was practically anti-everything-but-Scientology (anti-Atheists for example). I, for one, came out of the cinema angry.


    I don't understand! How could it have made you angry? ... Yeah it may have been quasi-religious but, daym it was powerful!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #13 - April 30, 2009, 11:00 AM

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?


    Mormons believe black people will be raptured??  Huh? Right...

    Well, no, is your answer. Absolutely everyone on earth dies. It goes on for about 4 minutes with absolutely gasping cinematics.. Only people that are saved are at least 2 kids, maybe a couple more... don't want to spoil it for you where they go... I thought the ending was brilliant... very symbolic.


    There were more, they were the chosen ones....if you see at thee end of the movie there are many pods that fly out from around the world.

    The film was terrible in my opinion.

    Nicholas Cage has done way better in his acting, he just seemed so...fake.

    I thought the dialogue was horrid. "My scientific mind tells me we should leave it alone" - Uhm, how is that science?

    The movie was based on Scientology (and I believe Nick Cage is in fact a Scientologist...I could be wrong here). It seemed like a recruit video for Scientology.

    That was 15 bucks I wish I had spent on seeing Fast and Furious (yes, I thought it was THAT bad!).

    It's not so much that it was because it was based on religion/a cult, I love watching religious movies so that I can keep an open mind, but this movie was practically anti-everything-but-Scientology (anti-Atheists for example). I, for one, came out of the cinema angry.


    I don't understand! How could it have made you angry? ... Yeah it may have been quasi-religious but, daym it was powerful!


    I didn't find it powerful at all, just religious (or cult) propaganda. Yeh it had a couple of great movie effects, but it wasn't a particularly great movie (in my opinion of course).

    Donnie Darko was also slightly quasi-religious (or at least it had a LOT of religious symbolism) but it remains one of my favourite movies of all time. Passion of the Christ was a well made movie but it doesn't change the fact that it was anti-Semitic.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #14 - April 30, 2009, 11:39 AM

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?


    Mormons believe black people will be raptured??  Huh? Right...

    Well, no, is your answer. Absolutely everyone on earth dies. It goes on for about 4 minutes with absolutely gasping cinematics.. Only people that are saved are at least 2 kids, maybe a couple more... don't want to spoil it for you where they go... I thought the ending was brilliant... very symbolic.


    No, Mormons believe that the righteous will be raptured before everyone left on Earth dies horribly.  They also believe that black people will not be among the righteous, or at least they did till recently.  That's why I wondered if any black people got saved in this movie.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #15 - April 30, 2009, 11:57 AM

    That article about Nicholas Cage was hilariously accurate.  This was funny too...

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/matthew-mcconaugheys-next-10-movies/

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #16 - April 30, 2009, 03:45 PM

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?


    Mormons believe black people will be raptured??  Huh? Right...

    Well, no, is your answer. Absolutely everyone on earth dies. It goes on for about 4 minutes with absolutely gasping cinematics.. Only people that are saved are at least 2 kids, maybe a couple more... don't want to spoil it for you where they go... I thought the ending was brilliant... very symbolic.


    There were more, they were the chosen ones....if you see at thee end of the movie there are many pods that fly out from around the world.

    The film was terrible in my opinion.

    Nicholas Cage has done way better in his acting, he just seemed so...fake.

    I thought the dialogue was horrid. "My scientific mind tells me we should leave it alone" - Uhm, how is that science?

    The movie was based on Scientology (and I believe Nick Cage is in fact a Scientologist...I could be wrong here). It seemed like a recruit video for Scientology.

    That was 15 bucks I wish I had spent on seeing Fast and Furious (yes, I thought it was THAT bad!).

    It's not so much that it was because it was based on religion/a cult, I love watching religious movies so that I can keep an open mind, but this movie was practically anti-everything-but-Scientology (anti-Atheists for example). I, for one, came out of the cinema angry.


    I don't understand! How could it have made you angry? ... Yeah it may have been quasi-religious but, daym it was powerful!


    I didn't find it powerful at all, just religious (or cult) propaganda. Yeh it had a couple of great movie effects, but it wasn't a particularly great movie (in my opinion of course).

    Donnie Darko was also slightly quasi-religious (or at least it had a LOT of religious symbolism) but it remains one of my favourite movies of all time. Passion of the Christ was a well made movie but it doesn't change the fact that it was anti-Semitic.


    Donnie Darko was a brilliant film, I must admit. Havn't seen passion of the christ though...

    Knowing is religious propoganda? Surely not...
    It was very much up to you how you interpreted aspects of it. I personally saw those wierd alien people as the angels of God, like Gabriel and such, but in no way did the film even imply that that was the case. That was my own independent reading of it.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #17 - April 30, 2009, 03:52 PM

    I heard it was Mormon propaganda.  I haven't seen it, but it sounds like the Mormon version of the End Times myth - which makes me curious about something.  Are there any black people in this film, and if so do any of them get raptured by the aliens/angels at the end?


    Mormons believe black people will be raptured??  Huh? Right...

    Well, no, is your answer. Absolutely everyone on earth dies. It goes on for about 4 minutes with absolutely gasping cinematics.. Only people that are saved are at least 2 kids, maybe a couple more... don't want to spoil it for you where they go... I thought the ending was brilliant... very symbolic.


    No, Mormons believe that the righteous will be raptured before everyone left on Earth dies horribly.  They also believe that black people will not be among the righteous, or at least they did till recently.  That's why I wondered if any black people got saved in this movie.


    We only know of two people who survived and that's two white kids. There are probably others though. And there was a pastor in it who died. Also, the aliens that saved the kids defined righteousness as "those who heard their whispers", even though nobody could hear the whispers unless they were chosen. This is probably one reason why some people are calling the film Anti-God, because, at least Allah is thought of as having created people for heaven and hell and at the same time, only rewards the righteous. The point being, the reward seems arbitrary.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #18 - April 30, 2009, 04:57 PM


    Donnie Darko was a brilliant film, I must admit. Havn't seen passion of the christ though...

    Knowing is religious propoganda? Surely not...
    It was very much up to you how you interpreted aspects of it. I personally saw those wierd alien people as the angels of God, like Gabriel and such, but in no way did the film even imply that that was the case. That was my own independent reading of it.


    Knowing means Scientology according to the cult. There are also other fun facts I learned about the movie, such as the year Lucinda was born being the year Scientology was 'created'. As for the religious propaganda...well, the fact that those who don't hear the voices don't get to be in the secret club and go to this special planet?

    I didn't see the weird alien people as the angels of god because it isn't a Christian belief that only the 'chosen ones' who hear the voices, go to a better planet where life forms are able to survive. It's actually very Mormon (and I initially thought it was about Mormonism). Nick's father in the movie, and the remainder of his family who are firm believers of the Christian faith do die in the tragic apocalypse. Why wouldn't god choose them if they were such true believers? Because Scientologists (and Mormons) don't believe that those people will be 'blessed'.

    I have also read a lot of ex-Scientologists' posts on forums who have claimed that it is in fact a movie based on Scientology and have given their connections between the movie and the cult. According to them (and I didn't notice this, I'd have to watch it again!) they shows the Scientology symbol as the space rocks flew into space away from Earth.

    The plane and train incidents also really irritated me as they were exaggerated. I know it's Hollywood, but it was extra exaggerated in this case as if to mock the incidents...And again, my frustration at the script - Nick's Scientist friend in the movie telling him that "My scientific mind tells me to leave it alone" (paraphrasing here of course) - which really bugged me!
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #19 - April 30, 2009, 06:17 PM


    Donnie Darko was a brilliant film, I must admit. Havn't seen passion of the christ though...

    Knowing is religious propoganda? Surely not...
    It was very much up to you how you interpreted aspects of it. I personally saw those wierd alien people as the angels of God, like Gabriel and such, but in no way did the film even imply that that was the case. That was my own independent reading of it.


    Knowing means Scientology according to the cult. There are also other fun facts I learned about the movie, such as the year Lucinda was born being the year Scientology was 'created'. As for the religious propaganda...well, the fact that those who don't hear the voices don't get to be in the secret club and go to this special planet?

    I didn't see the weird alien people as the angels of god because it isn't a Christian belief that only the 'chosen ones' who hear the voices, go to a better planet where life forms are able to survive. It's actually very Mormon (and I initially thought it was about Mormonism). Nick's father in the movie, and the remainder of his family who are firm believers of the Christian faith do die in the tragic apocalypse. Why wouldn't god choose them if they were such true believers? Because Scientologists (and Mormons) don't believe that those people will be 'blessed'.


    But it isn't a Scientologist belief that some people hear voices and that they are the chosen ones. Scientologists don't believe that there is a piece of paper out there with numbers on it which predict major disasters around the globe. It depends how far you take the dissimilarities. It is true, however, that the Abrahamic God may well let natural and manmade disasters occur where very religious people are killed. Such people may be seen as martyrs, for example. The similarity is that, just as followers of the Abrahamic religions don't place so much value on worldly life compared to eternal life, so the aliens in the movie also don't place much value on worldly life.

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    I have also read a lot of ex-Scientologists' posts on forums who have claimed that it is in fact a movie based on Scientology and have given their connections between the movie and the cult. According to them (and I didn't notice this, I'd have to watch it again!) they shows the Scientology symbol as the space rocks flew into space away from Earth.

    The plane and train incidents also really irritated me as they were exaggerated. I know it's Hollywood, but it was extra exaggerated in this case as if to mock the incidents...And again, my frustration at the script - Nick's Scientist friend in the movie telling him that "My scientific mind tells me to leave it alone" (paraphrasing here of course) - which really bugged me!


    Ok, firstly, I wouldn't call the incidents "exaggerated". I think the correct word is "vivid". They added to the effect and actually made you feel like "now this is a disaster alright!" unlike in the day after tomorrow where new york gets flooded and you just think, "yeh pretty bad, oh well shit happens".

    Secondly, "my scientific mind tells me to leave it alone" is referring to the fact that science would not be able to test or explain how a piece of paper with numbers written on it by a schoolgirl 50 years ago could predict every major disaster of the last 50 years. I mean it does sound like superstition, does it not? And science keeps well away from superstition. That's all that was meant by it, from my reading of it...

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #20 - April 30, 2009, 06:36 PM

    The day after tomorrow wasnt just a flooded library god damn it lol it was a top half of the globe catastrophe with people instantly freezing to death in a new ice age type thing. Must admit i had a nightmare after watching that movie in which i couldnt save all of my kids in time as one by one the instant freeze got them. I woke up stressed out Lmao

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #21 - April 30, 2009, 06:55 PM

    The day after tomorrow wasnt just a flooded library god damn it lol it was a top half of the globe catastrophe with people instantly freezing to death in a new ice age type thing. Must admit i had a nightmare after watching that movie in which i couldnt save all of my kids in time as one by one the instant freeze got them. I woke up stressed out Lmao


    That's precisely my point! So much happened but the quality of it happening, by that I mean the amount of emotion it produced, didn't fit in my opinion. In Knowing, a plane crashed and a train crashed too. In comparison to the day after tomorrow, such events are miniscule, yet the emotion that it produced was devastating! And so it would be if it happened in real life! Unimaginably moreso in fact!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #22 - April 30, 2009, 06:58 PM

    Ah right understood now.

    i havent seen this knowing film yet though so i shall reserve judgement til then. Wink

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #23 - May 01, 2009, 01:28 AM


    Ok, firstly, I wouldn't call the incidents "exaggerated". I think the correct word is "vivid". They added to the effect and actually made you feel like "now this is a disaster alright!" unlike in the day after tomorrow where new york gets flooded and you just think, "yeh pretty bad, oh well shit happens".



    Well, being someone who has knowledge about the procedures when an aircraft is put in an emergency situation, I can tell you that the plane would not blow up constantly like it did in the movie. When an aircraft is put in that scenario, the fuel is often cut off so that a huge explosion cannot happen. Even if it did, it would be unlikely for it to explode like it did numerous times.

    As for your statement that the Scientologists do not belief in dates and all that, I agree. The movie was very unclear about it's direction in the first half and was very subtle about where it was leading. However, the second half was sort of 'Fuck it, they need to know anyway' and put together. Like I said, watch it again and look at the end when the space pods fly off into space. They show the Scientology logo.


    And I thought the concept of a flooded earth was scarier than the incidents in Knowing, even though both were equally as implausible technically.


    Secondly, "my scientific mind tells me to leave it alone" is referring to the fact that science would not be able to test or explain how a piece of paper with numbers written on it by a schoolgirl 50 years ago could predict every major disaster of the last 50 years. I mean it does sound like superstition, does it not? And science keeps well away from superstition. That's all that was meant by it, from my reading of it...


    Yes but Science does anything BUT to leave it alone! If Newton felt the apple thud on his head and left it alone, things would be different. Back in the day things revolving around Physics consisted of superstitions derived from the Church, for example the fact the Church believed the other planets revolved around the Earth, including the sun. Anyone who went against this was tried. Just look at the fate of Galileo. In those days, the subjects Scientists had researched were explained by superstition!

    Would you not say that scientifically, getting bad luck from walking under a ladder or looking in a broken mirror, is bullshit?
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #24 - May 01, 2009, 02:04 AM


    Ok, firstly, I wouldn't call the incidents "exaggerated". I think the correct word is "vivid". They added to the effect and actually made you feel like "now this is a disaster alright!" unlike in the day after tomorrow where new york gets flooded and you just think, "yeh pretty bad, oh well shit happens".



    Well, being someone who has knowledge about the procedures when an aircraft is put in an emergency situation, I can tell you that the plane would not blow up constantly like it did in the movie. When an aircraft is put in that scenario, the fuel is often cut off so that a huge explosion cannot happen. Even if it did, it would be unlikely for it to explode like it did numerous times.

    As for your statement that the Scientologists do not belief in dates and all that, I agree. The movie was very unclear about it's direction in the first half and was very subtle about where it was leading. However, the second half was sort of 'Fuck it, they need to know anyway' and put together. Like I said, watch it again and look at the end when the space pods fly off into space. They show the Scientology logo.


    And I thought the concept of a flooded earth was scarier than the incidents in Knowing, even though both were equally as implausible technically.


    Secondly, "my scientific mind tells me to leave it alone" is referring to the fact that science would not be able to test or explain how a piece of paper with numbers written on it by a schoolgirl 50 years ago could predict every major disaster of the last 50 years. I mean it does sound like superstition, does it not? And science keeps well away from superstition. That's all that was meant by it, from my reading of it...


    Yes but Science does anything BUT to leave it alone! If Newton felt the apple thud on his head and left it alone, things would be different. Back in the day things revolving around Physics consisted of superstitions derived from the Church, for example the fact the Church believed the other planets revolved around the Earth, including the sun. Anyone who went against this was tried. Just look at the fate of Galileo. In those days, the subjects Scientists had researched were explained by superstition!

    Would you not say that scientifically, getting bad luck from walking under a ladder or looking in a broken mirror, is bullshit?


    Well maybe the plane just suddenly took a turn for the worse because of the bad weather, and the pilot or whoever, in panic, failed to cut the fuel off. Or maybe the impact was so huge that it reached the fuel supply, even if it was cut off. Such things are very plausible!!

    And I think that if you presented a page of numbers to a scientist saying, "here you are, you can predict the future with these" would be just as bad as saying "oh and by the way don't walk under ladders it brings you bad luck!" In the same way the scientist in the movie responded by saying "my scientific mind tells me I should leave this", another way of saying "this is bullshit!"

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #25 - May 01, 2009, 02:14 AM

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    And I think that if you presented a page of numbers to a scientist saying, "here you are, you can predict the future with these" would be just as bad as saying "oh and by the way don't walk under ladders it brings you bad luck!" In the same way the scientist in the movie responded by saying "my scientific mind tells me I should leave this", another way of saying "this is bullshit!"


    Its a very bad and misleading way of saying it.  A scientific mind would investigate it, even if they thought it was bullshit and were investigating with the expectation of debunking.  "Leave it alone" is a superstitious mind, not a scientific one. 

    I' m not liking the sound of this movie, it sounds like religious propaganda.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #26 - May 01, 2009, 02:45 AM

    Quote
    And I think that if you presented a page of numbers to a scientist saying, "here you are, you can predict the future with these" would be just as bad as saying "oh and by the way don't walk under ladders it brings you bad luck!" In the same way the scientist in the movie responded by saying "my scientific mind tells me I should leave this", another way of saying "this is bullshit!"


    Its a very bad and misleading way of saying it.  A scientific mind would investigate it, even if they thought it was bullshit and were investigating with the expectation of debunking.  "Leave it alone" is a superstitious mind, not a scientific one. 

    I' m not liking the sound of this movie, it sounds like religious propaganda.


    Your not giving it a chance. See it for yourself. It's not religious propaganda at all. If it is, it utterly failed because it didn't make me aware of it. Maybe if you read that into it, then maybe yeah, but if you keep an open mind, it's just an action-packed film with a bit of metaphysical imagination...

    When he said "my scientific mind is telling me to leave this" he wasn't doing something new to the film industry. It was quite cliche actually; being overly sceptical of something unexplainable. This was a science fiction film afterall.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #27 - May 01, 2009, 02:54 AM

    Oh, I will see the film for myself.  I'm just not going to pay into the cinema after all that I've heard about it.  I'll wait for the DVD. 

    And yes, that is a Hollywood cliche about science, and a very ignorant and annoying one it is too.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #28 - May 01, 2009, 02:58 AM

    Oh, I will see the film for myself.  I'm just not going to pay into the cinema after all that I've heard about it.  I'll wait for the DVD.

    No, you see what you do is go and enjoy another movie, and sneak into this one when you're done Wink.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: The film: Knowing
     Reply #29 - May 01, 2009, 03:00 AM

    Check this out. It is an Ex-Scientologist message board. They're confused by the rumours going around that it is Scientologist propoganda. They couldn't see the connection at all.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=10530

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
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