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  • Definition Of Brainwashed
     OP - May 02, 2009, 12:29 AM
    Definition Of Brainwashed

    If you are in a spiritual group and you dont see your group may be wrong.YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you are going into business and you dont see the possibility of your business may fail. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you are going into war and you dont see the possibility you may die. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe in God and and you dont see that the possibility of God may not exists. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED


    If you believe there is no God and you dont see that the possibility of God may exists. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe that Charles Darwin was a gifted psychic  who can tell what did really happen millions of years ago. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you are an atheist and you believe that you are intelligent and cannot be brainwashed. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED


    99.9 % humans are brainwashed one way or other.  whether they are believers or non believers, whether they are educated or non educated  dance
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #1 - May 02, 2009, 12:43 AM
    Giving examples doesn't constitute a definition.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #2 - May 02, 2009, 01:34 AM
    But I think you can see a recurring pattern and to be honest I think kope has got it; he knows what brainwashed means.

    Brainwashed is to believe in something in such a way that the possibility that you are wrong doesn't cross your mind.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #3 - May 02, 2009, 05:02 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 02, 2009, 12:29 AM
    If you believe that Charles Darwin was a gifted psychic  who can tell what did really happen millions of years ago. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe that you're a complete idiot. I don't think anyone believes that. If you think scientists believe that then you have no idea what you are talking about.
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #4 - May 02, 2009, 05:24 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 02, 2009, 01:34 AM
    But I think you can see a recurring pattern and to be honest I think kope has got it; he knows what brainwashed means.

    Brainwashed is to believe in something in such a way that the possibility that you are wrong doesn't cross your mind.


    I don't agree with that definition - that can be someone who is just pig headed or overly optimistic or half a dozen other things than brainwashed.

    Brainwashed involves some kind of outside source which has convinced you to leave aside your critical faculties and accept everything they say.  IOW, its to believe in someone/thing in such a way that the possiblility that THEY are wrong doesn't cross your mind.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #5 - May 02, 2009, 01:26 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 02, 2009, 05:02 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 02, 2009, 12:29 AM
    If you believe that Charles Darwin was a gifted psychic  who can tell what did really happen millions of years ago. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe that you're a complete idiot. I don't think anyone believes that. If you think scientists believe that then you have no idea what you are talking about.


    I'd like to add that if he believes that, he must be BRAINWASHED!
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #6 - May 02, 2009, 01:27 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 02, 2009, 05:24 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 02, 2009, 01:34 AM
    But I think you can see a recurring pattern and to be honest I think kope has got it; he knows what brainwashed means.

    Brainwashed is to believe in something in such a way that the possibility that you are wrong doesn't cross your mind.


    I don't agree with that definition - that can be someone who is just pig headed or overly optimistic or half a dozen other things than brainwashed.

    Brainwashed involves some kind of outside source which has convinced you to leave aside your critical faculties and accept everything they say.  IOW, its to believe in someone/thing in such a way that the possiblility that THEY are wrong doesn't cross your mind.


    Why does it have to be an outside source? It doesn't seem impossible to brainwash yourself.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #7 - May 02, 2009, 07:41 PM
    Well, it is impossible unless you're just making up your own definition of the word...

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    Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or reeducation) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person ? beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge, in order to affect that individual's value system and subsequent thought-patterns and behaviors.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #8 - May 02, 2009, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 02, 2009, 07:41 PM
    Well, it is impossible unless you're just making up your own definition of the word...

    Quote
    Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or reeducation) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person ? beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge, in order to affect that individual's value system and subsequent thought-patterns and behaviors.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing


    This definition does not specify which person. Brainwashing can be an aim to instill certain attitudes and beliefs in the self, which is a person.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #9 - May 02, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 02, 2009, 12:29 AM
    Definition Of Brainwashed

    If you are in a spiritual group and you dont see your group may be wrong.YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you are going into business and you dont see the possibility of your business may fail. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe in God and and you dont see that the possibility of God may not exists. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED


    How can you not see that these apply to you as well!?
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #10 - May 03, 2009, 12:22 AM
    Quote from: Pazuzu on May 02, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 02, 2009, 12:29 AM
    Definition Of Brainwashed

    If you are in a spiritual group and you dont see your group may be wrong.YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you are going into business and you dont see the possibility of your business may fail. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe in God and and you dont see that the possibility of God may not exists. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED


    How can you not see that these apply to you as well!?



    yes,

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
    intelligent full of doubt."  (B.Russell)
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #11 - May 03, 2009, 12:39 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 12:22 AM
    Quote from: Pazuzu on May 02, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 02, 2009, 12:29 AM
    Definition Of Brainwashed

    If you are in a spiritual group and you dont see your group may be wrong.YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you are going into business and you dont see the possibility of your business may fail. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED

    If you believe in God and and you dont see that the possibility of God may not exists. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED


    How can you not see that these apply to you as well!?



    yes,

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
    intelligent full of doubt."  (B.Russell)



    Hey, I like that quote, I think I'll make it my signature. I need one anyway lol.  Afro
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #12 - May 03, 2009, 01:11 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 02, 2009, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 02, 2009, 07:41 PM
    Well, it is impossible unless you're just making up your own definition of the word...

    Quote
    Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or reeducation) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person ? beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge, in order to affect that individual's value system and subsequent thought-patterns and behaviors.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing


    This definition does not specify which person. Brainwashing can be an aim to instill certain attitudes and beliefs in the self, which is a person.


    That doesn't fit with any recognised definition of the word brainwashed.  It was originally coined to describe coerced persuasion, eg, of POWs in Vietnam, and has since broadened to include cults which indoctrinate their members, political propaganda, and some types of advertising and peer pressure. 

    A person who deludes themselves over religion or whatever isn't brainwashed, they may be many other things but brainwashed is not the right word.  Kope obviously doesn't have english as a first language, that's why he's using the wrong word to describe what he means.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #13 - May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #14 - May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #15 - May 03, 2009, 10:49 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 03, 2009, 01:11 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on May 02, 2009, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 02, 2009, 07:41 PM
    Well, it is impossible unless you're just making up your own definition of the word...

    Quote
    Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or reeducation) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person ? beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge, in order to affect that individual's value system and subsequent thought-patterns and behaviors.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing


    This definition does not specify which person. Brainwashing can be an aim to instill certain attitudes and beliefs in the self, which is a person.


    That doesn't fit with any recognised definition of the word brainwashed.  It was originally coined to describe coerced persuasion, eg, of POWs in Vietnam, and has since broadened to include cults which indoctrinate their members, political propaganda, and some types of advertising and peer pressure. 

    A person who deludes themselves over religion or whatever isn't brainwashed, they may be many other things but brainwashed is not the right word.  Kope obviously doesn't have english as a first language, that's why he's using the wrong word to describe what he means.


    It might not fit with any recognized definition of the word, EXCEPT the one you provided the wiki link for lol...
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #16 - May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #17 - May 04, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?



    you see i never saw god nor do i talked to an angel, my believe in god based on two thing, one is nature around us and other is wisdom in the quran


    so dought is natural thing


    nothing wrong having dought about anything
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #18 - May 05, 2009, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 04, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?



    you see i never saw god nor do i talked to an angel, my believe in god based on two thing, one is nature around us and other is wisdom in the quran


    so dought is natural thing


    nothing wrong having dought about anything


    I seriously doubt that allah exists.  is that OK?
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #19 - May 05, 2009, 12:18 AM
    Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on May 05, 2009, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 04, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?



    you see i never saw god nor do i talked to an angel, my believe in god based on two thing, one is nature around us and other is wisdom in the quran


    so dought is natural thing


    nothing wrong having dought about anything


    I seriously doubt that allah exists.  is that OK?




    dought and denying is two diffirent thing
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #20 - May 05, 2009, 04:05 AM
    Ok, so what if someone denies that Allah exists? Why is denying that Allah exists any different to saying that Allah exists? They are both just opinions.
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #21 - May 05, 2009, 06:55 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 05, 2009, 12:18 AM
    Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on May 05, 2009, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 04, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?



    you see i never saw god nor do i talked to an angel, my believe in god based on two thing, one is nature around us and other is wisdom in the quran


    so dought is natural thing


    nothing wrong having dought about anything


    I seriously doubt that allah exists.  is that OK?




    dought and denying is two diffirent thing

    Yes, but: doubt and beliefs are mutually exclusive.
    I think you are confusing "lack of knowledge" with "doubt".

    By the way you are describing it now, you are an agnostic theist. Which means: you believe in Allah without knowing if Allah is true or not (because you lack proofs). That is NOT doubt.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #22 - May 05, 2009, 06:57 AM
    PS: This other wikipedia article is useful too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #23 - May 05, 2009, 08:45 AM
    Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on May 05, 2009, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 04, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?



    you see i never saw god nor do i talked to an angel, my believe in god based on two thing, one is nature around us and other is wisdom in the quran


    so dought is natural thing


    nothing wrong having dought about anything


    I seriously doubt that allah exists.  is that OK?


    +1 Good point
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #24 - May 05, 2009, 10:11 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 05, 2009, 06:55 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 05, 2009, 12:18 AM
    Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on May 05, 2009, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 04, 2009, 10:41 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 03, 2009, 10:34 AM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on May 03, 2009, 09:25 AM
    A religious troll quoting Bertrand Russell?!

    Unholy crap!



    i am not funndy like you dance

    Are you saying you doubt that the universe has one creator?



    you see i never saw god nor do i talked to an angel, my believe in god based on two thing, one is nature around us and other is wisdom in the quran


    so dought is natural thing


    nothing wrong having dought about anything


    I seriously doubt that allah exists.  is that OK?




    dought and denying is two diffirent thing

    Yes, but: doubt and beliefs are mutually exclusive.
    I think you are confusing "lack of knowledge" with "doubt".

    By the way you are describing it now, you are an agnostic theist. Which means: you believe in Allah without knowing if Allah is true or not (because you lack proofs). That is NOT doubt.



    i believe in quran to be word of god does that make me agnostic theist?



    btw ( i ) believe prophet abraham pbuh was a agnostic,  if agnostic mean believing in god without holy book
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #25 - May 05, 2009, 10:26 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 05, 2009, 10:11 AM
    btw ( i ) believe prophet abraham pbuh was a agnostic,  if agnostic mean believing in god without holy book

    No. Agnostic means somebody who does not know if a god exists or not.
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #26 - May 05, 2009, 10:33 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 05, 2009, 10:26 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 05, 2009, 10:11 AM
    btw ( i ) believe prophet abraham pbuh was a agnostic,  if agnostic mean believing in god without holy book

    No. Agnostic means somebody who does not know if a god exists or not.

    My understanding is that agnostic is somebody who believes that it is impossible to prove whether God exists or not
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #27 - May 05, 2009, 10:41 AM
    No. That would include all atheists.
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #28 - May 05, 2009, 12:29 PM
    agnosticism (g-nst-szm) .(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/agnosticism) n.
    The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist

    atheism (th-zm)     (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheism) n.
    1. a. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
    b. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
    2. Godlessness; immorality.

     
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  • Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
     Reply #29 - May 05, 2009, 02:32 PM
    Agnosticism, in general, is the BELIEF that no ultimate metaphysical truth can be KNOWN.
    (That's why I don't claim to be agnostic: I don't see any valid reason to say that such truths, if they exist, could not be known)

    Atheism, technically, is the "lack of belief in any God" (which is often called "weak Atheism" and which is what most people actually mislabel "Agnosticism")
    Atheism also includes the belief that no God exists (strong Atheism, which is what most think "Atheism" is all about)

    An Agnostic can be:
    Agnostic/Weak_Atheist (somebody who believes ultimate truths cannot be known and who does not believe in the existence of God, but does not necessarily believe that God doesn't exist)
    Agnostic/Strong_Atheist (somebody who believes ultimate truths cannot be known and who believes that God doesn't exist without actually possessing such certain knowledge)
    Agnostic/Theist (somebody who believes ultimate truths cannot be known and who believes that God exists without actually possessing such certain knowledge)
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