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  • Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     OP - May 02, 2009, 05:45 AM

    This was merely a case of me walking into the wrong place at the wrong time. It was late afternoon, and I was very hungry. I was searching through my collection of restaurant menus-didn't know if I wanted to take out or sit in. At that moment, my friend gave me a call wanting to know what I was up to. We arranged to go eat some Gyros at the Arab spot down three blocks from my apartment. After he arrived we walked down to the restaurant.

    As we entered the place, I was greeted with a pretty waitress. We grabbed a place on the bar area and placed an order for a gyro meal.

    As my friend and I were talking about the most random shit, another waiter came up to us-perhaps in his mid twenties-and started a conversation with me about the recent Swine Flu pandemic. I expressed my thoughts and so did my friend. For the most part, the three of us were in agreement, and I was building up pretty good friendly rapport with the guy.

    Mid way through the conversation, he asked for my name, and I answered him Faisal. "That's an Arab name you know, are you Muslim?"

    "No." I replied.

    "Oh, then what are you my man?"

    "Well, I have very complex beliefs but frankly, I'm an Atheist. I don't believe in god"

    At that moment, judging from his body language I struck him hard. As if I punched the wind out of him or something. There was a slight pause, then he simply replied with a nervous laughter. He was a curious person, I hold nothing against him. He asked me questions-philosophical ones. I answered him best I could. I told him what I really believed, whilst being as open as I could to what he had to offer to the table about Islam. Though it should be noted, I never revealed to him I'm an ex-Muslim.

    The waiter then casually broke away from us and went into the back toward the kitchen area. Minutes later the boss man arrived. Turned out, the owner is that waiter's father. Also, he also revealed to me that he was seventeen.

    To keep it simple, the owner asked my friend and I to leave the place. His accusation was I was making trouble-he didn't specify what. After a little bit of picking at his brains, he revealed to me that he didn't appreciate the things I said to his son about god. I'm not sure what he found so offensive really, I never once insulted any god. Never used a vulgar word, and I certainly never specified any god. I was keeping it very general. Thinking back on it now though, I believe although the son of the owner kept a poker face with me, he probably let loose in anger in front of his father in the back of the restaurant. I guess he found offense to what I was saying, even though there was nothing "offensive" about anything I said.

    So we just left the place, and got some Chinese grub instead.

    When I got home, I realized that prejudice will never go away wherever I go. I mean, I never expected it to go away, but I've experienced prejudice as a former Muslim for simply being a Muslim, and now I face prejudice for holding no believe at all.

    Funny how the world works sometimes.  whistling2

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #1 - May 02, 2009, 06:31 AM

    That sucks. What's the name of this restaurant so we can boycott it? Wink

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #2 - May 02, 2009, 07:24 AM

    nice new avatar Tommy - P.S Its a good thing you didnt stay and eat, if he was prepared to kick you out for saying you dont believe in God, I am sure he would have been happy to ejaculate in your meal if you inadvertently said anything about the prophet.

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #3 - May 02, 2009, 07:29 AM

    This was merely a case of me walking into the wrong place at the wrong time...


    No my friend, not a wrong place and not a wrong time!!! I am afraid, atheists will always encounter such horrible treatment... That really sucks! finmad

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #4 - May 02, 2009, 07:35 AM

    This was merely a case of me walking into the wrong place at the wrong time...


    No my friend, not a wrong place and not a wrong time!!! I am afraid, atheists will always encounter such horrible treatment... That really sucks! finmad

    I don't have any problem at my local cafe and the manager knows I'm an atheist. She isn't. We're still friends. She never treats me horribly.  parrot

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #5 - May 02, 2009, 07:37 AM

    How do you know she doesn't spit in your food? 

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #6 - May 02, 2009, 08:21 AM

    She has no reason too.

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #7 - May 02, 2009, 08:41 AM


    To keep it simple, the owner asked my friend and I to leave the place. His accusation was I was making trouble-he didn't specify what. After a little bit of picking at his brains, he revealed to me that he didn't appreciate the things I said to his son about god.


    You know, I am not very familiar with anti discrimination laws when it comes to privately owned businesses, but I can't imagine a cafe owner kicking out a Jewish person or a black person and not facing some consequences.  Although I'm not sure how that would go with the right to refuse service.  Still, wasn't that a major point of the civil rights movement - to be able to sit at the same counter, regardless of who you happen to be?  I think we are mostly familiar with CAIR in the US and Canada.  Cry  I'm just envisioning the media stink they would stir up if a Muslim claimed that they were refused service and kicked out of a restaurant after the owner or employees deliberately engaged them in a religious discussion.  And at the end of the press release, they would up the alleged numbers of Muslims to 10 million, from 8 million last week.   piggy

    Did you point out that it was his son who poked and prodded, that you were just there for gyros? 

    This is a habit I remember well from the old days - people will poke and prod others they know hold opinions that are blasphemous, offensive in an Islamic sense, and so forth until the person tells them what they want to hear and then they get all high and mighty and huffy and puffy.  Not saying that the kid was doing that per se, but it just reminds me of that.

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    I guess he found offense to what I was saying, even though there was nothing "offensive" about anything I said.


    The fact that you don't believe in Big Al's totally perfect and most awesome religion everrrrr - only 3 times to get it right! -  is offensive enough. 

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    When I got home, I realized that prejudice will never go away wherever I go. I mean, I never expected it to go away, but I've experienced prejudice as a former Muslim for simply being a Muslim, and now I face prejudice for holding no believe at all.


    I think, I could be wrong, that you probably won't have problems with the general people.  But only with those who hear your name, guess at your ethnicity and think that you ought to be Muslim. 


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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #8 - May 02, 2009, 09:30 AM

    Was that in the UK?

    I thought that would be sue-able.

    If I were in your place I would have stayed and if they called the cops I would have told them I was being discriminated against. Then again I'm a pretty stubborn person.

  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #9 - May 02, 2009, 09:34 AM

    This actually reminds me of a flight I was on by myself from Singapore to Indonesia.

    The guy next to me peered over my shoulder as I was writing on my immigration card, and saw my name. He asked if I was Muslim and I said no. He asked where I was from and I said Pakistan, and that my parents were Muslim but my brother and I weren't. He seemed very surprised at this but didn't really discriminate against me or treat me any differently. He was polite throughout the whole flight. But then again, I didn't get into the details of atheism, and my lack of belief in god.
  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #10 - May 02, 2009, 09:37 AM

    Was that in the UK? I thought that would be sue-able.


    Yeah, sue the bastard! Your friend is a witness! signmuahaha

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #11 - May 02, 2009, 09:57 AM

    Or right into your local paper complaining about that restaurant...it will defame their restaurant a little.

    I think it's ridiculous that they wouldn't have had any idea what your religious beliefs were if you hadn't said anything and things would have been okay! I bet many people eat there all the time and don't believe in god. You should be able to be honest and open about your opinion and beliefs without that discrimination.  finmad
  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #12 - May 02, 2009, 10:02 AM

    the owner asked my friend and I to leave the place. His accusation was I was making trouble-he didn't specify what. After a little bit of picking at his brains, he revealed to me that he didn't appreciate the things I said to his son about god. I'm not sure what he found so offensive really, I never once insulted any god. Never used a vulgar word, and I certainly never specified any god. I was keeping it very general.


    That's outrageous!!!! Yet sadly familiar.

    It is amazing how simply stating one's disbelief in Islam/religion/God is perceived by the "religious" as insulting/attacking their beliefs.

    It really makes me angry!
  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #13 - May 02, 2009, 10:03 AM

    Or right into your local paper complaining about that restaurant...it will defame their restaurant a little.

    I think it's ridiculous that they wouldn't have had any idea what your religious beliefs were if you hadn't said anything and things would have been okay! I bet many people eat there all the time and don't believe in god. You should be able to be honest and open about your opinion and beliefs without that discrimination.  finmad


    Good idea- you might even get paid for that article by your local newspaper

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #14 - May 02, 2009, 10:08 AM

    Because of stories like this, is there anyone here that would not have done this.  If asked what your belief system was by a Muslim,  would anyone not admit to being an ex-Muslim (assuming your friends and family were not there)

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #15 - May 02, 2009, 11:51 AM

    She has no reason too.


    You don't need a reason to do stupid shit. Ask me, I know.
  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #16 - May 02, 2009, 12:01 PM

    By the way, I've never had problem when debating strangers, I debated a black Christian I debated with, but I always say things like: "my atheist friend said such and such thing" I remember in Punjab Pakistan is used to frequent alot of coffee shops namely Coco's Den overlooking the Badsahi mosque in Lahore, and I we often debated theology I never once had a problem using arguments against Allah and Qur'ran, the only time I ran into a problem was when I said anything about Muhammed, that did not go down to well.   
  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #17 - May 02, 2009, 02:42 PM

    nice new avatar Tommy


     

    Thanks Islame! That's me on the right, and Malcom X on the left  Smiley

    - P.S Its a good thing you didnt stay and eat, if he was prepared to kick you out for saying you dont believe in God, I am sure he would have been happy to ejaculate in your meal if you inadvertently said anything about the prophet.


    You know, I think I may have inadvertently said something about Mohammed, though as I said, I kept it very general. I never specified Mohammed in my argument. During the convo. the owner's son told me how he believed in Mohammed's position as the messenger of god-and to which I simply replied "I don't believe in any prophets." When he asked me why, I answered that I have no reason, nor evidence to believe in any prophets. So yeah, nothing really "offensive" about that. But then again, people can always twists the words of others  Roll Eyes

    I don't have any problem at my local cafe and the manager knows I'm an atheist. She isn't. We're still friends. She never treats me horribly.  parrot


    Is she by any chance your past fling?


    This is a habit I remember well from the old days - people will poke and prod others they know hold opinions that are blasphemous, offensive in an Islamic sense, and so forth until the person tells them what they want to hear and then they get all high and mighty and huffy and puffy.  Not saying that the kid was doing that per se, but it just reminds me of that.


    I know what you mean. I don't blame the kid for doing this, because I don't know if that's true or not. If the kid really found this to be offensive, then he should've either changed the subject, or not get involved in the discussion at all. He asked out of curiosity after all...or at least it seemed.

    Was that in the UK?

    I thought that would be sue-able.

    If I were in your place I would have stayed and if they called the cops I would have told them I was being discriminated against. Then again I'm a pretty stubborn person.


    No I live in the U.S. And yeah, it would be sue-able, but I'm a student, and frankly, the amount of money I'd have to invest in lawyers, and court costs I just simply do not posses. If I had a career, I'd probably hold up on that idea. I was being stubborn, which why I stayed and picked at his brain for his reasons...but in the end I realized, I was wasting my time. I didn't really want to eat there after he told me his reason.

    It really makes me angry!


    Amen brother!

    Because of stories like this, is there anyone here that would not have done this.  If asked what your belief system was by a Muslim,  would anyone not admit to being an ex-Muslim (assuming your friends and family were not there)


    You remind me of something: My family knows I'm an Atheist now (though not the whole family, just my close knit) and I remember once being at a family gathering where there was a Friday prayer being held. The man who led the prayer was a family friend and he asked me to lead the prayer. When I refused, he insisted that I do so as a good Muslim. My father wasn't too far off from us and over heard the convo. I was very close to revealing that I don't believe but thankfully my father stepped in and made an excuse on the spot about my knees and offered himself to lead the prayer. After the prayer my father told me strictly to keep my mouth shut about my beliefs and not to get into any religious convo. what so ever.  Cheesy

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #18 - May 02, 2009, 02:54 PM

    No I live in the U.S. And yeah, it would be sue-able, but I'm a student, and frankly, the amount of money I'd have to invest in lawyers, and court costs I just simply do not posses. If I had a career, I'd probably hold up on that idea.

    ACLU?

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #19 - May 02, 2009, 03:11 PM

    No I live in the U.S. And yeah, it would be sue-able, but I'm a student, and frankly, the amount of money I'd have to invest in lawyers, and court costs I just simply do not posses. If I had a career, I'd probably hold up on that idea.

    ACLU?


    Oh yeahhh

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #20 - May 02, 2009, 03:27 PM


    Was that in the UK?

    I thought that would be sue-able.

    If I were in your place I would have stayed and if they called the cops I would have told them I was being discriminated against. Then again I'm a pretty stubborn person.


    No I live in the U.S. And yeah, it would be sue-able, but I'm a student, and frankly, the amount of money I'd have to invest in lawyers, and court costs I just simply do not posses. If I had a career, I'd probably hold up on that idea. I was being stubborn, which why I stayed and picked at his brain for his reasons...but in the end I realized, I was wasting my time. I didn't really want to eat there after he told me his reason.



    I hear ya...sucks to be a student sometimes :(
  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #21 - May 02, 2009, 09:55 PM

    I don't have any problem at my local cafe and the manager knows I'm an atheist. She isn't. We're still friends. She never treats me horribly.  parrot

    Is she by any chance your past fling?

    No.  grin12  She thinks I'm cute though.

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #22 - May 02, 2009, 10:04 PM

    I don't have any problem at my local cafe and the manager knows I'm an atheist. She isn't. We're still friends. She never treats me horribly.  parrot

    Is she by any chance your past fling?

    No.  grin12  She thinks I'm cute though.


    Is she hot?

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #23 - May 02, 2009, 10:24 PM

    Not really. She's nice though. She's also married anyway.

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #24 - May 02, 2009, 10:52 PM

    Bet she IS hot. That's why you don't mind her spitting in your food.

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #25 - May 02, 2009, 10:55 PM

    Seriously, she isn't. Grin

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  • Re: Atheists can't eat here. Sorry!
     Reply #26 - May 02, 2009, 11:19 PM

    That's why you don't mind her spitting in your food.


    Exactly! So in a way, Os is covertly making out with a married woman.

    Os, you sly, sly dog  Afro


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