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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #90 - May 11, 2009, 09:24 PM

Quote from: aJuicyRedAppleIsDutch on May 11, 2009, 09:15 PM
Please help, this is a serious matter, I'm writing an important article for the church magazine.

If God created man in His image, that means God also has an ass. Should I write "ass" or "Ass", when referring to His Devine ass?

Important theological point here.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #91 - May 11, 2009, 09:34 PM

Not sure if Shan will be able to answer this one, so I will try my best to help her.

The answer is that it depends on the context. If you are referring to Gods rear, then you use the lower case, otherwise if you are referring to him as a rear end, then use uppercase, preferably in bold i.e.

God's ass
God is an Ass

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #92 - May 11, 2009, 09:42 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 09:14 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 09:06 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 09:02 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 08:55 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 08:19 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 08:14 PM
So Shan, where did his God admit he is a liar?

No no no no no! His god has a lower-case "g". Anyway, I'll find it. Someone has to know the verse or surat I'm talking about...but I'll find it.

Thanks - and you are right - I don't believe in the god of Islam, so I shall make sure I dispense with the capital G and just say god.

I will also do the same for the Christian god - who is also a god I do not believe in and reject the absurd notion that Jesus is the son of god or the lord of anything - but just an irrational, illogical god.

I will do that from now on whenever I speak about the Christian god.

Thanks for the reminder, Shan

That's alright. I like to say that's not my problem. It's between you and my God. He can take care of himself.

Well I used to use the capital G for your god as well as the Islamic one - and it was you that has caused me to change that to the small g - and seeing how easily your god gets pissed off and how indiscriminate he can be (see the OT) then I wouldn't be surprised if he's a bit pissed off with you for causing me to behave like this.

I'm not allowed to use a big "G" for other gods. The bible says there are gods, many....but there is only one God. And I am not going to commit polytheism....not for you...not for ANYBODY.

According to the bible, Allah may be a god, but there is only one God.

Again u r right - one should not change one's behaviour because of other ppls beliefs - so i shall ignore it when you or anyone tells me whether I should use a capital G or little g or whatever - thanks again.
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Reply #93 - May 11, 2009, 09:43 PM

Quote from: aJuicyRedAppleIsDutch on May 11, 2009, 09:15 PM
Please help, this is a serious matter, I'm writing an important article for the church magazine.

If God created man in His image, that means God also has an ass. Should I write "ass" or "Ass", when referring to His Devine ass?
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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #94 - May 11, 2009, 09:47 PM

What would a Muslim say about the question above, Hassan? I heard some very literalist guys believe in physical properties of Allah. (As long as it's in the Qur'an or something)

Once he was in power, they needed him there, to make sense of their lives.
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Reply #95 - May 11, 2009, 09:51 PM

Quote from: aJuicyRedAppleIsDutch on May 11, 2009, 09:47 PM
What would a Muslim say about the question above, Hassan? I heard some very literalist guys believe in physical properties of Allah. (As long as it's in the Qur'an or something)

I think they'd say we were taking the Royal Wee hehe...
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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #96 - May 11, 2009, 10:19 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 09:42 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 09:14 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 09:06 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 09:02 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 08:55 PM
Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 08:19 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 08:14 PM
So Shan, where did his God admit he is a liar?

No no no no no! His god has a lower-case "g". Anyway, I'll find it. Someone has to know the verse or surat I'm talking about...but I'll find it.

Thanks - and you are right - I don't believe in the god of Islam, so I shall make sure I dispense with the capital G and just say god.

I will also do the same for the Christian god - who is also a god I do not believe in and reject the absurd notion that Jesus is the son of god or the lord of anything - but just an irrational, illogical god.

I will do that from now on whenever I speak about the Christian god.

Thanks for the reminder, Shan

That's alright. I like to say that's not my problem. It's between you and my God. He can take care of himself.

Well I used to use the capital G for your god as well as the Islamic one - and it was you that has caused me to change that to the small g - and seeing how easily your god gets pissed off and how indiscriminate he can be (see the OT) then I wouldn't be surprised if he's a bit pissed off with you for causing me to behave like this.

I'm not allowed to use a big "G" for other gods. The bible says there are gods, many....but there is only one God. And I am not going to commit polytheism....not for you...not for ANYBODY.

According to the bible, Allah may be a god, but there is only one God.

Again u r right - one should not change one's behaviour because of other ppls beliefs - so i shall ignore it when you or anyone tells me whether I should use a capital G or little g or whatever - thanks again.

I was being a little bit evil....but am starting to get over it now.
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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #97 - May 11, 2009, 10:51 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 09:16 PM
Okay. Does this song remind you of anything?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CHnUpvohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CHnUpvoBTE&feature=PlayList&p=965C2491466DBE15&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6BTE&feature=PlayList&p=965C2491466DBE15&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

Quoted to add....what happened to my video?
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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #98 - May 11, 2009, 10:57 PM

You posted the wrong link, Shan.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #99 - May 11, 2009, 11:39 PM

Bummer. Okay...I'll just post the lyrics:

You take a mortal man,
And put him in control
Watch him become a god,
Watch peoples heads aroll
Aroll...

/chorus/
Just like the pied piper
Led rats through the streets
We dance like marionettes,
Swaying to the symphony...
Of destruction

Acting like a robot,
Its metal brain corrodes.
You try to take its pulse,
Before the head explodes.
Explodes...

/chorus/

The earth starts to rumble
World powers fall
Awarring for the heavens,
A peaceful man stands tall
Tall...

/chorus/

It could be alot of people....and it could also be a certain religious leader from way back.
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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #100 - May 11, 2009, 11:45 PM

Just post the right link you wally. It will be in the address bar at the top of the YouTube page that plays the video.

ETA: I'll edit the post for you. What was the name of the song and the band?

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #101 - May 11, 2009, 11:57 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on May 11, 2009, 11:45 PM
Just post the right link you wally. It will be in the address bar at the top of the YouTube page that plays the video.

ETA: I'll edit the post for you. What was the name of the song and the band?

It's 'Symphony of Destruction' by Megadeth.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #102 - May 12, 2009, 06:43 AM

Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 10:35 AM
Quote from: Variable on May 09, 2009, 05:50 PM
So then you don't doubt Joe Smith? If you have any doubts about Joe Smith, you're cruel. By your own criteria.

In any case, you have written "Are you afraid to debate?". You're not really debating. You ask people these questions to stir them up, but don't come back with any thing of substance. You give these half answers that don't mean anything.

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The "substance" does not go down your throat well. Your last sentence is witness to that fact.

I think you fear the "stir" because your boat is not stable.

People like Variable are affraid they might get crucified.

You asked about Mr Smith. I have no reason to doubt him. I have herd bad things about him, but thats all hearsay. God demands that we do not base our decisions on hearsay. That would be unfair. Therefore, until I study the gentleman, I have to assume he is innocent.

So, you don't doubt him then... that he was a prophet of God. Or when you say you'll assume he's innocent - do you mean that you don't believe that he said that about himself? If that's the case, then you're doubting me - without doing any research. That's cruel (apparently).

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #103 - May 12, 2009, 07:08 AM

I realize the thread has taken on a whole new (and quite amusing) turn, but this has been bugging me and I just wanna confirm with someone who knows Arabic...

Does that verse Shan quoted,
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"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"
Sura 3:54

actually mean 'deceiver' as in 'liar' in the context? I know different translations have taken it different ways, so I was just wondering what was the most correct translation, and also how scholars interpret it? (not necessarily the same).

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #104 - May 12, 2009, 07:48 AM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 11:39 PM
It could be alot of people....and it could also be a certain religious leader from way back.

Or it could be stupid, clumsy, slightly emabarrassing fifth form poetry set to re-hashed, stodgy old heavy metal riffs.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #105 - May 12, 2009, 07:51 AM

You write 'em. I'll sell 'em.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #106 - May 12, 2009, 07:52 AM

Quote from: AlmostAisha on May 12, 2009, 07:08 AM
I realize the thread has taken on a whole new (and quite amusing) turn, but this has been bugging me and I just wanna confirm with someone who knows Arabic...

Does that verse Shan quoted,
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"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"
Sura 3:54

actually mean 'deceiver' as in 'liar' in the context? I know different translations have taken it different ways, so I was just wondering what was the most correct translation, and also how scholars interpret it? (not necessarily the same).

Probably. The word is Makr (مكر).

See here, the same word is used in 6:123

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كذلك جعلنا في كل قرية اكابر مجرميها ليمكروا فيها وما يمكرون الا بانفسهم وما يشعرون

"thus have we placed in every city chief leaders of the wicked men thereof, that they may act deceitfully therein; but they shall act deceitfully against their own souls only; and they know it not. "

Some would translate Makr (verb) as "plan" but this has problems; as you can deceive yourself, but not plan against yourself.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #107 - May 12, 2009, 11:42 AM

You probably could plan against yourself without realizing it. Such as if you are going to write a book trying to disprove Islam. You are planning against yourself because the more effort you put into it, the more severe your punishment in hell will be.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #108 - May 12, 2009, 11:51 AM

One member quoted these words of God:

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Quran, chapter 3:54 says:

"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"

If you have any brain left inside your head, then you can see to whom it refers.

It clearly says God deceives the deceivers.

What your problem with that.

They deserve to be mislead and thrown in Hell.

Did you expect God to give dishonest people pancakes?

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #109 - May 12, 2009, 11:52 AM

Maybe a nice curry?

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #110 - May 12, 2009, 11:53 AM

But does it have moroccan pancakes?

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #111 - May 12, 2009, 12:00 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 07:54 PM
rayback,

Are you a fundamentalist Muslim?

Not at all.

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Reply #112 - May 12, 2009, 12:03 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on May 12, 2009, 11:53 AM
But does it have moroccan pancakes?

Probably not. I'm sure the tafseer would have mentioned it. All the important stuff is in the tafseer.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #113 - May 12, 2009, 12:07 PM

I think it mistranslated verse 4:34, really allah said beat your wives with pancakes.

Plus if caught commiting adultery pelt them with pancakes.

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Re: Absurd Doubts
Reply #114 - May 12, 2009, 12:07 PM

If rayback makes me 72 different types of pancakes, I may be convinced.
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Reply #115 - May 12, 2009, 12:09 PM

While you ladies talk about pancakes, may I reply to a remark by the silly gentleman:

Quote from: MrSilly on May 11, 2009, 04:17 PM

I agree totally with your statement.
The issue is that Allah is all knowing and the creator of all. This in combination means that Allah determines the narrative of his creations.

If you belive that Allah is all-knowing and the creator of it, it is the logical conclusion, and since the all-knowing and all-creating nature of Allah are absolute, then it is an absolute conclusion.

Tell enlighten me as to what the "other possibilites" are. I'd be thrilled to hear your "absurd doubts" on this matter

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Predestination is a deep subject.

I mean its deeeeeep.

A dive in the Ocean is out of the question for people like you.

You dont even like getting your feet wet in a puddle.

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Reply #116 - May 12, 2009, 12:11 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 12:09 PM
While you ladies talk about pancakes, may I reply to a remark by the silly gentleman:

Quote from: MrSilly on May 11, 2009, 04:17 PM

I agree totally with your statement.
The issue is that Allah is all knowing and the creator of all. This in combination means that Allah determines the narrative of his creations.

If you belive that Allah is all-knowing and the creator of it, it is the logical conclusion, and since the all-knowing and all-creating nature of Allah are absolute, then it is an absolute conclusion.

Tell enlighten me as to what the "other possibilites" are. I'd be thrilled to hear your "absurd doubts" on this matter

Some on Silly.

Predestination is a deep subject.

I mean its deeeeeep.

A dive in the Ocean is out of the question for people like you.

You dont even like getting your feet wet in a puddle.

What about diving into a pool of maple syrup?
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Reply #117 - May 12, 2009, 12:11 PM

Quote from: heartbomb on May 12, 2009, 12:07 PM
If rayback makes me 72 different types of pancakes, I may be convinced.

See through pancakes specially for you:

(if you look really carefully you may be able to see them)

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Reply #118 - May 12, 2009, 12:12 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 12:09 PM
While you ladies talk about pancakes, may I reply to a remark by the silly gentleman:

Quote from: MrSilly on May 11, 2009, 04:17 PM

I agree totally with your statement.
The issue is that Allah is all knowing and the creator of all. This in combination means that Allah determines the narrative of his creations.

If you belive that Allah is all-knowing and the creator of it, it is the logical conclusion, and since the all-knowing and all-creating nature of Allah are absolute, then it is an absolute conclusion.

Tell enlighten me as to what the "other possibilites" are. I'd be thrilled to hear your "absurd doubts" on this matter

Some on Silly.

Predestination is a deep subject.

I mean its deeeeeep.

A dive in the Ocean is out of the question for people like you.

You dont even like getting your feet wet in a puddle.

Oceans make pancakes soggy, we prefer drier areas.

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Reply #119 - May 12, 2009, 12:12 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on May 12, 2009, 12:07 PM
I think it mistranslated verse 4:34, really allah said beat your wives with pancakes.

Plus if caught commiting adultery pelt them with pancakes.

No no no. What it says it that when making pancakes your wives must beat the batter properly. If they don't your pancakes will be cactus, in which case you go and sulk in another bedroom after admonishing them for buggering your breakfast.

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