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  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #120 - May 12, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 12, 2009, 12:11 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 12:09 PM
    While you ladies talk about pancakes, may I reply to a remark by the silly gentleman:

    Quote from: MrSilly on May 11, 2009, 04:17 PM

    I agree totally with your statement.
    The issue is that Allah is all knowing and the creator of all. This in combination means that Allah determines the narrative of his creations.

    If you belive that Allah is all-knowing and the creator of it, it is the logical conclusion, and since the all-knowing and all-creating nature of Allah are absolute, then it is an absolute conclusion.

    Tell enlighten me as to what the "other possibilites" are. I'd be thrilled to hear your "absurd doubts" on this matter  Wink


    Some on Silly.

    Predestination is a deep subject.

    I mean its deeeeeep.

    A dive in the Ocean is out of the question for people like you.

    You dont even like getting your feet wet in a puddle. 

     Wink




    What about diving into a pool of maple syrup?

    Cool. You dive. I'll lick it off when you get out.  Afro
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #121 - May 12, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote
    Predestination is a deep subject.


    So is the subject of invisible, virgin pancakes. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #122 - May 12, 2009, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 12, 2009, 12:12 PM
    No no no. What it says it that when making pancakes your wives must beat the batter properly. If they don't your pancakes will be cactus, in which case you go and sulk in another bedroom after admonishing them for buggering your breakfast.  sheikh


    I can not argue with that pancakelisious logic.  cool2
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #123 - May 12, 2009, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 12, 2009, 12:11 PM
    Quote from: heartbomb on May 12, 2009, 12:07 PM
    If rayback makes me 72 different types of pancakes, I may be convinced.


    See through pancakes specially for you:

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    (if you look really carefully you may be able to see them)


    I see it! It looks like god.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #124 - May 12, 2009, 12:41 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 12:09 PM
    While you ladies talk about pancakes, may I reply to a remark by the silly gentleman:

    Quote from: MrSilly on May 11, 2009, 04:17 PM

    I agree totally with your statement.
    The issue is that Allah is all knowing and the creator of all. This in combination means that Allah determines the narrative of his creations.

    If you belive that Allah is all-knowing and the creator of it, it is the logical conclusion, and since the all-knowing and all-creating nature of Allah are absolute, then it is an absolute conclusion.

    Tell enlighten me as to what the "other possibilites" are. I'd be thrilled to hear your "absurd doubts" on this matter  Wink


    Some on Silly.

    Predestination is a deep subject.

    I mean its deeeeeep.

    A dive in the Ocean is out of the question for people like you.

    You dont even like getting your feet wet in a puddle. 

     Wink




    Is that code for "I can't defend my beliefs with logic"?
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #125 - May 12, 2009, 12:44 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 12, 2009, 12:41 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 12:09 PM
    While you ladies talk about pancakes, may I reply to a remark by the silly gentleman:

    Quote from: MrSilly on May 11, 2009, 04:17 PM

    I agree totally with your statement.
    The issue is that Allah is all knowing and the creator of all. This in combination means that Allah determines the narrative of his creations.

    If you belive that Allah is all-knowing and the creator of it, it is the logical conclusion, and since the all-knowing and all-creating nature of Allah are absolute, then it is an absolute conclusion.

    Tell enlighten me as to what the "other possibilites" are. I'd be thrilled to hear your "absurd doubts" on this matter  Wink


    Some on Silly.

    Predestination is a deep subject.

    I mean its deeeeeep.

    A dive in the Ocean is out of the question for people like you.

    You dont even like getting your feet wet in a puddle. 

     Wink




    Is that code for "I can't defend my beliefs with logic"?


    Nah, it's code for "I need pancakes, please for the love of the Pancake Lord give me some!"
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #126 - May 12, 2009, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: AlmostAisha on May 12, 2009, 07:08 AM
    I realize the thread has taken on a whole new (and quite amusing) turn, but this has been bugging me and I just wanna confirm with someone who knows Arabic...

    Does that verse Shan quoted,
    Quote
    "and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"
    Sura 3:54


    actually mean 'deceiver' as in 'liar' in the context? I know different translations have taken it different ways, so I was just wondering what was the most correct translation, and also how scholars interpret it? (not necessarily the same).



    It literally means plotter/planner and is saying that those who plot/plan against Allah - well Allah can kick their ass when it comes to plotting and planning lol..

    It's up to you how you want to see that - obviously Muslims will say it doesn't mean God is a Liar - those who see only evil in Islam will say it does.

    Personally I think it simply means what it says and that Muhammad was just saying no matter how clever u think u r - God is more clever than you.

    Stupid really coz if he is an all-knowing and all-seeing god then that is surely a given  grin12
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #127 - May 12, 2009, 02:32 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
    One member quoted these words of God:

    Quote
    Quran, chapter 3:54 says:

     "and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"



    If you have any brain left inside your head, then you can see to whom it refers.

    It clearly says God deceives the deceivers.

    What your problem with that.

    They deserve to be mislead and thrown in Hell.

    Did you expect God to give dishonest people pancakes?  Wink




    ....but do you see the problem with this? It is saying that your god is no better than men.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #128 - May 12, 2009, 03:04 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 11, 2009, 07:54 PM
    rayback,

    Are you a fundamentalist Muslim?


    Not at all.



    Are you a nutter? You seem like one - without even the excuse of being a fundamentalist nutter. Not good.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #129 - May 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 02:32 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 11:51 AM
    One member quoted these words of God:

    Quote
    Quran, chapter 3:54 says:

     "and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"



    If you have any brain left inside your head, then you can see to whom it refers.

    It clearly says God deceives the deceivers.

    What your problem with that.

    They deserve to be mislead and thrown in Hell.

    Did you expect God to give dishonest people pancakes?  Wink




    ....but do you see the problem with this? It is saying that your god is no better than men.




    Ah but doesn't your gang believe that 'your' God made man in the same image as himself - which would include vengeance for vengeance sake - and 'your' God is pretty good at retribution too.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #130 - May 12, 2009, 03:30 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
    Ah but doesn't your gang believe that 'your' God made man in the same image as himself - which would include vengeance for vengeance sake - and 'your' God is pretty good at retribution too.


    Did you expect God to give dishonest and evil people pancakes?  Wink

    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 02:32 PM
    ....but do you see the problem with this?
    It is saying that your god is no better than men.


    Since when can you "see".

    Normal thinking people love it when God kicks ass a lot better than men can ever manage.

    You want a Teddy Bear of a God, who lets you off whatever wrong and sin you commit on Earth.

    Sorry, that type does not exist except in your illogical head.

    The Real Supreme Being is a God who is Merciful to good people and Punisher to evil mothers.

    He has designed Hell just for people like you. If you mess up here, then prepare to be burned. No mercy for evil wrong doers.


    Anway, I thought I should do a new Hell thread for those sad souls who will end up in Firel.

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5341.msg135977#msg135977

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #131 - May 12, 2009, 03:33 PM
    Have you got that pancake recipe ready yet?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #132 - May 12, 2009, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 03:30 PM


    You want a Teddy Bear of a God,




    No, I want a pancake of a god.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #133 - May 12, 2009, 03:53 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 03:30 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
    Ah but doesn't your gang believe that 'your' God made man in the same image as himself - which would include vengeance for vengeance sake - and 'your' God is pretty good at retribution too.


    Did you expect God to give dishonest and evil people pancakes?  Wink

    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 02:32 PM
    ....but do you see the problem with this?
    It is saying that your god is no better than men.


    Since when can you "see".

    Normal thinking people love it when God kicks ass a lot better than men can ever manage.

    You want a Teddy Bear of a God, who lets you off whatever wrong and sin you commit on Earth.

    Sorry, that type does not exist except in your illogical head.

    The Real Supreme Being is a God who is Merciful to good people and Punisher to evil mothers.

    He has designed Hell just for people like you. If you mess up here, then prepare to be burned. No mercy for evil wrong doers.


    Anway, I thought I should do a new Hell thread for those sad souls who will end up in Firel.

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5341.msg135977#msg135977




    There is hell. And God is all-powerful....but he is not a man that he should lie. If your god can lie, that disqualifies him from being God.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #134 - May 12, 2009, 03:55 PM
    Who said God can lie?

    You assume too much.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #135 - May 12, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 03:53 PM
    There is hell. And God is all-powerful....but he is not a man that he should lie. If your god can lie, that disqualifies him from being God.


    I actually agree - the God of Islam is quite immoral.

    But so is the God of the Bible.

    I could re-phrase your statement as:

    "If your God can order the killing of babies that disqualifies him from being God."

    How do you manage to dismiss one immoral God and yet believe in another?


  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #136 - May 12, 2009, 03:58 PM
    According to scripture, your god is going to hell:

    Re:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #137 - May 12, 2009, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 03:58 PM
    According to scripture, your god is going to hell:

    Re:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


    According to The Three Little Pigs, the wolf ended up in a vat of boiling water.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #138 - May 12, 2009, 04:01 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 12, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 03:53 PM
    There is hell. And God is all-powerful....but he is not a man that he should lie. If your god can lie, that disqualifies him from being God.


    I actually agree - the God of Islam is quite immoral.

    But so is the God of the Bible.

    I could re-phrase your statement as:

    "If your God can order the killing of babies that disqualifies him from being God."

    How do you manage to dismiss one immoral God and yet believe in another?





    I'm sorry...but they were Nephilim. That's why I need to find a PDF book of Enoch for you. Even so, there is something in me that feels bad for these offspring. They never asked to be what they are.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #139 - May 12, 2009, 04:02 PM
    Be happy with your pancakes while you have that chance here.

    Because as they say:

    Hell hath no pancakes.

     grin12
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #140 - May 12, 2009, 04:04 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 04:02 PM
    Be happy with your pancakes while you have that chance here.

    Because as they say:

    Hell hath no pancakes.

     grin12


    That's what we are trying to tell you! Do not anger the Pancake Lord!
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #141 - May 12, 2009, 04:04 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 12, 2009, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 03:58 PM
    According to scripture, your god is going to hell:

    Re:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


    According to The Three Little Pigs, the wolf ended up in a vat of boiling water.


    Yeah...he shouldn't have tried to break in via the chimney.  parrot
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #142 - May 12, 2009, 04:06 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 04:02 PM
    Be happy with your pancakes while you have that chance here.

    Because as they say:

    Hell hath no pancakes.

     grin12


    You have a point.  mysmilie_977
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #143 - May 12, 2009, 04:07 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 04:01 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 12, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 03:53 PM
    There is hell. And God is all-powerful....but he is not a man that he should lie. If your god can lie, that disqualifies him from being God.


    I actually agree - the God of Islam is quite immoral.

    But so is the God of the Bible.

    I could re-phrase your statement as:

    "If your God can order the killing of babies that disqualifies him from being God."

    How do you manage to dismiss one immoral God and yet believe in another?





    I'm sorry...but they were Nephilim. That's why I need to find a PDF book of Enoch for you. Even so, there is something in me that feels bad for these offspring. They never asked to be what they are.


    It doesn't matter how you spin it - your God is immoral - he kills babies.

    Or if you want to argue they were evil - then he creates evil babies and then kills them for being the way he created them.

    Your God is not only immoral but he is insane.

    I guess that's why anyone who takes the Bible literally is off their rocker.

  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #144 - May 12, 2009, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 03:55 PM
    Who said God can lie?

    You assume too much.




    God CANNOT lie....but Allah CAN. He admitted it. He said he is the greatest of liars (deceivers). So, how one believe ANYTHING he says? What else is he lying about? Paradise? He has no such place as paradise. But God has a place appointed for him...I'm  sure it is a place God created specifically for the "best of liars".
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #145 - May 12, 2009, 04:31 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 12, 2009, 04:07 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 04:01 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 12, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 03:53 PM
    There is hell. And God is all-powerful....but he is not a man that he should lie. If your god can lie, that disqualifies him from being God.


    I actually agree - the God of Islam is quite immoral.

    But so is the God of the Bible.

    I could re-phrase your statement as:

    "If your God can order the killing of babies that disqualifies him from being God."

    How do you manage to dismiss one immoral God and yet believe in another?





    I'm sorry...but they were Nephilim. That's why I need to find a PDF book of Enoch for you. Even so, there is something in me that feels bad for these offspring. They never asked to be what they are.


    It doesn't matter how you spin it - your God is immoral - he kills babies.

    Or if you want to argue they were evil - then he creates evil people and then kills them for being the way he created them.

    Your God is not only immoral but he is insane.


    I know. It is nearly (if not completely) impossible for humans like us to understand how something like this could be just. Yet, I know it is my own fallen nature that doesn't get it.
    Quote
    I guess that's why anyone who takes the Bible literally is off their rocker.


    I can see how it looks that way.




  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #146 - May 12, 2009, 04:34 PM
    But Shan, the God of the Bible lied.  He told Adam that if he ate off the tree of knowledge he would die.  The snake said "no you won't, you'll just know the difference between right and wrong", and the snake turned out to be telling the truth.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #147 - May 12, 2009, 04:34 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 12, 2009, 03:55 PM
    Who said God can lie?

    You assume too much.




    God CANNOT lie....but Allah CAN. He admitted it. He said he is the greatest of liars (deceivers). So, how one believe ANYTHING he says? What else is he lying about? Paradise? He has no such place as paradise. But God has a place appointed for him...I'm  sure it is a place God created specifically for the "best of liars".


    It doesn't say "Best of liars" actually - but I agree that God seems to have no problem in deceiving in the Qur'an.

    And why not - he also deceives people in the Bible.

    Of course you will have some stupid explanation - just as Muslims have some stupid explanation for their bullshit.

    The blindness and hypocrisy of all religios nuts like you, really pisses me off - whether they be Muslims or Christians.

    You both believe in bullshit yet you mock the other persons bullshit.

    1 Kings 22:23
    Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
    2 Chronicles 18:22
    Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
    Jeremiah 4:10
    Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
    Jeremiah 20:7
    O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
    Ezekiel 14:9
    And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
    2 Thessalonians 2:11
    For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #148 - May 12, 2009, 04:58 PM
    There is no cure for some. I don't know about pancakes, but there's a lot of fruitcakes in the heaven that Shaneeqa and Rayback are going to.  Smiley
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Absurd Doubts
     Reply #149 - May 12, 2009, 05:03 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on May 12, 2009, 04:31 PM

    I know. It is nearly (if not completely) impossible for humans like us to understand how something like this could be just. Yet, I know it is my own fallen nature that doesn't get it.
    Quote
    I guess that's why anyone who takes the Bible literally is off their rocker.


    I can see how it looks that way.


    Do you know that Muslims say the exact same thing.

    What makes the nasty bits in the Bible that human reason cannot understand any more true than the nasty bits in the Qur'an that human reason cannot understand?

    Don't you see how you dismiss things in the Qur'an because they are immoral and do not stand up to reason and logic - YET you accept things in the Bible that are immoral and do not stand up to reason and logic.

    Can't you see the contradiction?

    Can't you see that you have to be consistent?

    Either accept all immoral, irrational bullshit on faith or reject it all because it is immoral and does not stand up to reason and logic.

    But instead you venomously attack one set of immoral and irrational beliefs while clinging to your own set of immoral and irrational beliefs.

    Wake-up Shan FFS!



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