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  • British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     OP - May 12, 2009, 08:42 AM

    British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member

    "Is it really "defamation" for a government official to point out a radical's radicalism?"

    A news story that broke in Britain in late March and continues to fester in May deserves attention around the world. Its outcome will set a precedent in the worrying war between Western governments and radical Muslims who live and administer Islamic organizations within their sovereignty.

    Dr. Daud Abdullah, deputy secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, has taken out a lawsuit against cabinet minster Hazel Blears, secretary for communities, because he believes she defamed him by writing to the Guardian newspaper in late March condemning him after he signed the "Istanbul Declaration".

    Let's look straightaway at the Istanbul Declaration. To paraphrase its high-velocity language, it says the hatred of and resistance against the occupying Zionist entity must be the same as that towards any individual who supports Israel. Unraveling the flowery syntax, this means that wherever you may find a soul who cares about Israel you must smite him or her as if on a battlefield in Palestine.

    The Istanbul Declaration scarily goes on to say that the ?Islamic nation? must resist and fight in any way possible those who engage in "sinful aggression" and who wish to send warships to the Middle East; those who endeavor to stop arms smuggling to Gaza are threatening the sovereignty of the Islamic nation.

    The declaration proclaims the day of liberation of all of Palestine will come when Palestinians "are able to perform the jihad in the way of Allah Almighty". It praises the troops of Allah who "routed the Zionist Jews" and goes on and on about the "Zionist enemy" and the "malicious Jewish Zionist war". What is significant about the declaration is its passionate rejection of the so-called Arab peace initiative generated by the Saudis, calling it a betrayal of the Islamic nation because it recognizes the legitimacy of Israel.

    It is clear that the declaration is a manifesto to "liberate all of Palestine and the holy places" and therefore assure the destruction of Israel. Any Muslim who causes an obstruction in achieving these goals and in allowing Arabs to have access to weapons and other goods is committing "high treason".

    It is also notable that the document adamantly rejects the sovereignty of the Palestinian Authority and therefore endorses Hamas as the only legitimate government of the Arab population of the territories conquered by Israel in the bloody Six-Day War for its survival in 1967.

    The Istanbul Declaration ends with: "Allah prevails in his purpose, but most people know not" (Koran 12:21). Okay. (Perhaps this could be applied to the people out there right now who want to bend over backwards to show the world that America is such an evil entity; they who think we must reach out and learn to understand what motivates terrorists should take heed. )

    At the end of the chilling declaration there is a list of Muslim scholars, proselytizers, and sheikhs from across the globe, heavily weighted by representatives from Yemen. Dr. Daud Abdullah, employed by the Muslim Council of Britain, an organization that has over the years repeatedly boycotted National Holocaust Memorial Day, signs the declaration as "proselytizer".

    Cabinet minister Hazel Blears got wind of the fact that Dr. Abdullah, whose organization engages with the British government on issues of social cohesion, had signed the manifesto. She duly protested. Her office, officially called the Department of Communities and Local Government, made a statement demanding his resignation. In a March 26 article that later became a formal letter to the Guardian newspaper, she accused Dr. Abdullah of inciting violence against British military personnel and against Jews around the world.

    Now that Abdullah has sued her for defamation, the numerous and ubiquitous Muslim organizations and spokespeople who have come to dominate the airwaves and columns of British media are lining up at battle stations. ENGAGE director Inayat Bunglawala, who once laughed in my face when I told him I had been threatened with death if I so much as set foot in the Regent's Park Mosque, has accused Hazel Blears of intimidating the Muslim Council. Abdullah himself has flown into a rage about the government's suspension of ties with the Muslim Council, saying this undermines the independence of the organization. To his credit, commentator Shiraz Maher has denounced Daud Abdullah. He says that by attending the Istanbul conference and signing the incendiary declaration the Muslim Council official is clearly advocating violence Hamas-style.

    The Muslim Council of Britain is a charity that is entitled to government funding for mentoring programs and further support from trusts and foundations. It has received funding from the UK Department for International Development. As this article goes to press the British government is revising the structure of its relationship with mosques and is making money available directly to them rather than through the MCB.

    But meantime Dr. Abdullah's legal case against the government stands and he insists he has not advocated violence against any man, woman, or child. If he is successful it means it is open season across the world for Muslim activists to emigrate to new countries of residence and then campaign for violent jihad against the citizens and military of their host nation.

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  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #1 - May 25, 2009, 07:24 PM

    MCB boycotts Holocaust Memorial Day?!

    I think this guy has learnt, along with many other people in the political arena (including Nick Griffin), from other politicians down the years, of the privilege of being able to tell a lie and get away with it. It gets them off the hook everytime!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #2 - May 25, 2009, 07:59 PM

    MCB boycotts Holocaust Memorial Day?!

    I think this guy has learnt, along with many other people in the political arena (including Nick Griffin), from other politicians down the years, of the privilege of being able to tell a lie and get away with it. It gets them off the hook everytime!


    The MCB don't actually deny holocaust. But their argument for boycotting it is it only focusses on one holocaust when there have been plenty of holocausts and genocides which have as much right to be remembered as the Nazi Holocaust.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #3 - May 25, 2009, 08:11 PM

    MCB boycotts Holocaust Memorial Day?!

    I think this guy has learnt, along with many other people in the political arena (including Nick Griffin), from other politicians down the years, of the privilege of being able to tell a lie and get away with it. It gets them off the hook everytime!


    The MCB don't actually deny holocaust. But their argument for boycotting it is it only focusses on one holocaust when there have been plenty of holocausts and genocides which have as much right to be remembered as the Nazi Holocaust.


    Which is a crock of an excuse.  Holocaust Memorial Day invites speakers from Rwanda, the Romanies, the Bosnian muslims and in future years it will no doubt have speakers from Darfur and other places too.  They use the most famous Holocaust in history as a vehicle to remember not only its victims, but those of other genocides and attempted genocides.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #4 - May 25, 2009, 08:18 PM


    The MCB don't actually deny holocaust. But their argument for boycotting it is it only focusses on one holocaust when there have been plenty of holocausts and genocides which have as much right to be remembered as the Nazi Holocaust.


    Sure there have been plenty-including quite a few by Muslims, although unlike the West, Holocausts by Muslims are often neither acknowledged nor apologized for-like the still unacknowledged Armenian Holocaust. The victims are left to pick up the pieces of their lives which they do remarkably well.  Roll Eyes

    However, should any inch of land be stolen from Muslims, there'll be whining & violence for years.

    Denying the Jewish Holocaust, which incidentally also had the support of the Grand Mufti of Palestine is a terrific way of minimizing the pain of the victims.

    As the saying goes, "Repeat a lie often enough & it becomes the truth."

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #5 - May 25, 2009, 08:21 PM

    Which is a crock of an excuse.  Holocaust Memorial Day invites speakers from Rwanda, the Romanies, the Bosnian muslims and in future years it will no doubt have speakers from Darfur and other places too.  They use the most famous Holocaust in history as a vehicle to remember not only its victims, but those of other genocides and attempted genocides.


    MCB have a point as loathe as i am to admit it.
    We focus so much on Holocaust, especially in schools. Not once are other genocides or horrific acts like slavery is mentioned as much in schools. We don't even learn about Darfur. A genocide we can do something about.
    Surely remembering all genocides would be better than focusing on one. Is one genocide more important than others? No. They are all equally important and all deserve equal time imo

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #6 - May 25, 2009, 08:26 PM

    Not once are other genocides or horrific acts like slavery is mentioned as much. We don't even learn about Darfur. A genocide we can do something about.


    When Islamic organizations mention the Palestinians driven out from their homes 60+ years back & criticise Israel's actions today, how much attention is given to the plight of those who lost their lands & lives in Pak, Bangladesh & Turkey & are still losing lands & lives in Thailand, Philippines & multiple other places?

    Speaking of Darfur, how interested is the MCB & other Muslim organizations in it?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #7 - May 25, 2009, 08:28 PM

    Which is a crock of an excuse.  Holocaust Memorial Day invites speakers from Rwanda, the Romanies, the Bosnian muslims and in future years it will no doubt have speakers from Darfur and other places too.  They use the most famous Holocaust in history as a vehicle to remember not only its victims, but those of other genocides and attempted genocides.


    MCB have a point as loathe as i am to admit it.
    We focus so much on Holocaust, especially in schools. Not once are other genocides or horrific acts like slavery is mentioned as much. We don't even learn about Darfur. A genocide we can do something about.
    Surely remembering all genocides would be better than focusing on one. Is one genocide more important than others? No. They are all equally important and all deserve equal time imo



    If the MCB had any point they would be making it in a bad way by boycotting Holocaust Memorial Day, which as I pointed out above, deliberately uses the most famous Holocaust of them all as a vehicle to remember the others.

    As for what people learn in school, there's only so much you can fit on the school history curriculum.  Which is why something like Holocaust Memorial Day is so important - it uses the one we all learn about to educate people about the others.  For the MCB to boycott it is adding to the problem of concentrating on one Holocaust only, not helping.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #8 - May 25, 2009, 08:28 PM

    Speaking of Darfur, how interested is the MCB & other Muslim organizations in it?


    No idea, knowing how hypocritical they generally are. I doubt they care very much for Darfur or even Africa in general.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #9 - May 25, 2009, 08:30 PM


    MCB have a point as loathe as i am to admit it.
    We focus so much on Holocaust, especially in schools. Not once are other genocides or horrific acts like slavery is mentioned as much in schools. We don't even learn about Darfur. A genocide we can do something about.
    Surely remembering all genocides would be better than focusing on one. Is one genocide more important than others? No. They are all equally important and all deserve equal time imo



    I am rather split on this. Although I agree that they have a point and there was not only one group of people in history to be persecuted, I also think that it is nothing more than a political move. They are basically saying "Why should we be a part of this holocaust memorial day when the Israelis are killing and oppressing Muslims every day".

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #10 - May 25, 2009, 08:32 PM

    If the MCB had any point they would be making it in a bad way by boycotting Holocaust Memorial Day, which as I pointed out above, deliberately uses the most famous Holocaust of them all as a vehicle to remember the others.

    As for what people learn in school, there's only so much you can fit on the school history curriculum.  Which is why something like Holocaust Memorial Day is so important - it uses the one we all learn about to educate people about the others.  For the MCB to boycott it is adding to the problem of concentrating on one Holocaust only, not helping.


    I agree that MCB is ridiculous in boycotting such a event especially seeing they 'represent' the Muslim voice in Britain and boycotting a genocide does not help no one.

    I learned about the Holocaust in Year 8, 9 and 10 in my lessons and one of my GCSE years was dedicated on Nazi Germany. I'm sure in one of those years, you could fit in current affairs and include Darfur. Surely we'd be doing the rememberence of the Holocaust a better service by actually stepping in and preventing genocides occuring around the world as after all the Holocaust happened because no one stepped in to stop it

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #11 - May 25, 2009, 08:34 PM

    I am rather split on this. Although I agree that they have a point and there was not only one group of people in history to be persecuted, I also think that it is nothing more than a political move. They are basically saying "Why should we be a part of this holocaust memorial day when the Israelis are killing and oppressing Muslims every day".



    I happen to agree with the others, because this is done purely for political reasons. It removes the validity of their argument. They have no leg to stand on.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #12 - May 25, 2009, 08:38 PM

    I am rather split on this. Although I agree that they have a point and there was not only one group of people in history to be persecuted, I also think that it is nothing more than a political move. They are basically saying "Why should we be a part of this holocaust memorial day when the Israelis are killing and oppressing Muslims every day".


    How thoughtful of them!  Roll Eyes

    As it happens, jihad on Jews is the Islamic holy duty of every Muslim, Arab & non Arab-as clearly stated in moderate Islamonline's fatwa! Roll Eyes

    Course, the Hamas & ran haven't given up their intention of destroying Israel!

    What about all the people Muslims are killing & oppressing every day & on a global scale, people living in or vacationing in Bali, living in South Thailand, South Philippines & plenty of other places, people whose stated intention isn't destroying Islamic countries worldwide ! finmad

    What if the world started adopting a similar tactic?

    Intolerance breeds intolerance, & hatred breeds hatred.

    I am going slightly off topic, but I am so often utterly astounded by the sheer hypocrisy of many Islamic states & Governments-people who have lost lives & lands in Pak & Bangladesh but managed to rebuild their lives are expected to shed tears over Pak being beseiged by the Talibans & accept it as a secular nation with the death penalty for blasphemy, Turkey will jail writers speaking about the Armenian Holocaust while virulently attacking Israel for taking steps to protect itself from Hamas whose stated object is their destruction! finmad

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: British Muslim "Declares War" on Cabinet Member
     Reply #13 - May 25, 2009, 10:21 PM

    Which is a crock of an excuse.  Holocaust Memorial Day invites speakers from Rwanda, the Romanies, the Bosnian muslims and in future years it will no doubt have speakers from Darfur and other places too.  They use the most famous Holocaust in history as a vehicle to remember not only its victims, but those of other genocides and attempted genocides.


    MCB have a point as loathe as i am to admit it.
    We focus so much on Holocaust, especially in schools. Not once are other genocides or horrific acts like slavery is mentioned as much in schools. We don't even learn about Darfur. A genocide we can do something about.
    Surely remembering all genocides would be better than focusing on one. Is one genocide more important than others? No. They are all equally important and all deserve equal time imo



    It was a 3-sentence post! I can't believe you couldn't be bothered to read it all...

    They use the most famous Holocaust in history as a vehicle to remember not only its victims, but those of other genocides and attempted genocides.


    The unlived life is not worth examining.
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