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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #30 - May 13, 2009, 11:24 AM

    This is a nice mutual appreciation society.

     yes

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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #31 - May 13, 2009, 11:31 AM


    Only criminals dont like the idea of punishment.




    I think we should not assume that there is just one kind of punishment. There are many conceivable purposes of punishment. Maybe it is just a question of what the true purpose of punishment is and whether eternal hell is compatible with this purpose. I have provided a reply in the other thread entitled "Hell; Just or Unjust..."

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #32 - May 13, 2009, 11:32 AM

    This is a nice mutual appreciation society.

     yes


    Great minds think alike.   yes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #33 - May 13, 2009, 11:35 AM

    I think the problem is he got stuck on this line:
    "If you mess up here, then prepare to be burned."

    He then went to build his own good, valid and logical definition of evil. (The evil that should be punished).

    But who cares about his valid & logical definition. What we care about is the definition of the koran.

    It is quite an interesting phenomenon that, koran readers, at first just assume that the koran will agree with logic. They think that, as long as they stick to what is good and logical, then the koran will probably just support them with text.



    That is a very interesting insight there Baal, and I can testify that it is a fallacy that I fell victim to.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #34 - May 13, 2009, 11:53 AM

    That is a very interesting insight there Baal, and I can testify that it is a fallacy that I fell victim to.


    Yes.

    And you cant blame God for that fall.

    If you do, then you truly fall.


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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #35 - May 13, 2009, 12:41 PM


    17 times in the Koran, it mentions how boiling water will be used to torture people. And then those humans, your friends and parents and sons, will be given new skin, so they can 'taste' the pain of torture every day. For eternity.

    Now how come, 17 times the koran mentions hot water for the purpose of torture, and not even once, did koran instruct us to boil water to purify it?  Imagine how many million lives would have been saved had the koran instructed us to boil water.


    That was funny.

    Atheist wants a loving God to instruct him to use boiling water.   Cheesy



    This is interesting:

    Quote
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "Healing is in three things: cupping, a gulp of honey or cauterization, (branding with fire) but I forbid my followers to use cauterization (branding with fire)."

    -Sahih Bukhari, book of Medicine no 585

     
    Why did Muhammad believe fire and boiling water were good instruments of torture, but overlook their useful properties for sterilization. In fact, out of that list cauterization is the single most useful as it can at least stop bleeding, unlike honey.

    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #36 - May 13, 2009, 09:48 PM

    It is quite an interesting phenomenon that, koran readers, at first just assume that the koran will agree with logic. They think that, as long as they stick to what is good and logical, then the koran will probably just support them with text.


    And it does. 

    Who can be more logical than God.

    Logic is more of a black and white subject. You either are or you either are not.

    God is the most logical being in the univese.

    What does "most logical" mean?

    But you guys think Dawkins knows more. 

    Ad Logicam - Red herring.


    17 times in the Koran, it mentions how boiling water will be used to torture people. And then those humans, your friends and parents and sons, will be given new skin, so they can 'taste' the pain of torture every day. For eternity.

    Now how come, 17 times the koran mentions hot water for the purpose of torture, and not even once, did koran instruct us to boil water to purify it?  Imagine how many million lives would have been saved had the koran instructed us to boil water.


    That was funny.

    Atheist wants a loving God to instruct him to use boiling water.   Cheesy

    [/quote]
    But it is the writer of the koran who chose to instruct us on the uses of boiling water. I did not ask for that instruction. I did not ask for anything in the book.

    The writers of the Uthmanic koran instruct us Seventeen times on how to use boiling water. Boiling water is meant ot be spilled in the mouth and/or on the back of the neck of those who disagree with our worldview.

    The koran is not a big book compared to the ground it tries to cover. Yet of 6200+ verses, it chose to dedicate 17 lines to boiling water.

    But it is okay, we do not need to continue discussing the subject of boiling water. You will only keep coming with more irrelevant answers that will make you lose credibility. Not a position a True debater wants to be in as it will make your future debates that much harder.

    For now, you can be appreciative of the knowledge you gained from me about the koran. The fact that Boiling water is mentioned 17 times. That all 17 times are meant for torture, plus whatever tidbits you might have gained from me. Hopefully as this debate continues, I might also get to learn something new about islam from you.


    Let's discus some other issue, the issue of praying, why you pray Five times a day when the koran only states Three times?

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #37 - May 14, 2009, 11:10 AM

    God is the most logical being in the univese.

    What does "most logical" mean?


    I would have thought that it is pretty obvious.

    I guess not.

    Ok, I will make it clear for you:

    It means that God's logic is pure all the times.

    True Believers' logic is pure 98 percent of the times.

    Honest Atheists' and Agnostics' logic is pure 20 percent of the times. 

    Evil doers' logic is pure only 5 percent of the times.

    Therefore to sum up:

    God never slips.

    We mortals can mess up either most of the times, or, some of the times.

     cool2


    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #38 - May 14, 2009, 11:15 AM

    God is the most logical being in the univese.

    What does "most logical" mean?


    I would have thought that it is pretty obvious.

    I guess not.

    It means that God's logic is pure all the times.

    Believers' logic is pure 98 percent of the times.

    Atheists' and Agnostics' logic is pure 20 percent of the times. 

    Evil doers' logic is pure only 5 percent of the times.

    Therefore to sum up:

    God never slips.

    We mortals can mess up either most of the times, or, some of the times.

     cool2



    Is god's logic as pure as pancakes? What type of pancakes does he like? Have you got any cool recipes from him?
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #39 - May 14, 2009, 11:18 AM

    Rayback, is it logical to conclude that some clown is trolling if he takes one sentence out of a comprehensive post and only rants in reply to that one sentence?

    Get a pancake up ya. bunny

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #40 - May 14, 2009, 11:27 AM

    Rayback - is Allah a pancake?

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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #41 - May 14, 2009, 11:32 AM

    You may have a point, osmanthus.

    But wouldnt you say that the rest of his remarks discussed things that were beside the question which he asked about the extent of logic innate to God.

    I agree with you, one should read all the post before replying or criticising.

    That is where most Atheists stand accused of reading religious books and out of context pick verses irrelevant to the topic.

    Most Atheists are incapable of making a coherent argument based on facts.

    Only a few are reasonable and say things logically.


    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #42 - May 14, 2009, 11:33 AM

    You sound like that old fella, BMZ.
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #43 - May 14, 2009, 11:45 AM

    You may have a point, osmanthus.

    But wouldnt you say that the rest of his remarks discussed things that were beside the question which he asked about the extent of logic innate to God.

    I agree with you, one should read all the post before replying or criticising.

    That is where most Atheists stand accused of reading religious books and out of context pick verses irrelevant to the topic.

    Most Atheists are incapable of making a coherent argument based on facts.

    Only a few are reasonable and say things logically.

    Many theists read the Quran out of context too, many do not realise that the book is actually a recipe for a pancakes!  Yum Yum
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #44 - May 14, 2009, 03:19 PM

    • Why wouldn't GOD or Allah or Jesus, (or that invisible man in the sky!) just show up and let us crawl back in our holes in fear and start worshiping him day and night!!!
    • Why leave us in doubt?
    • Why he has to send some middle-men to tell us about him?
    • Why not part the See anymore like he did with Moses?
    • Why can't he just burn us for not believing in him and wait until later to burn us and torture us in hell?
    • Why his creation is not perfect, disease, hunger, poverty etc?
    • Why most of his prophets and messengers were from (Israel) middle east?
    • Why that man whom I witnessed with my own eyes groping and feeling a women in Mecca just few meters away from Kaaba was not stroked dead and turned into a pile of dust for not respecting the presumably most holy places on earth?


         Thinking hard

    I guess the answer does not need any thinking really!!

    ...
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #45 - May 14, 2009, 03:38 PM

    As a Canadian citizen I have grown up embracing the blessings of pancake consumption. Coming from the land of maple syrup you'd think I'd be content pouring this God given golden nectar on my pancakes, but I don't. I use a sugar cane syrup imported from Britain. I use Lyle's golden syrup. I always felt unpatriotic about doing it and never told anybody about it, but now I wonder if it is also sacrilegious. It feels wrong, especially because this sugar cane syrup is super sticky and gets all over the jar and my hands and becomes a big mess. Is this a sign that I have wrongly stayed from orthodox pancakery?  I worry for my children. Sometimes they tell me they don't like pancakes so much and actually prefer waffles. I don't want them to be fried for eternity. I am considering locking them in the house for the summer and force feeding them pancake batter through a funnel.

    BYum YumB

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #46 - May 14, 2009, 04:21 PM

    I want pancakes :(   Cry

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #47 - May 14, 2009, 04:39 PM

    have you got flour, milk, egg & sugar?

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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #48 - May 14, 2009, 05:04 PM

    have you got flour, milk, egg & sugar?

    Yes.

    Yes I do ^_^

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #49 - May 14, 2009, 05:13 PM

    well there you go, whisk them in a bowl and fry the mixture

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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #50 - May 14, 2009, 05:17 PM

    well there you go, whisk them in a bowl and fry the mixture


    Thy have revealed a holy secret of the order! Heretic!

    You shall face a trial one month today and you must surrender yourself and all pancake based recipes to the bailiff a week from now. Failure to surrender will bring upon you dire consequences and the wrath of Aunt Jemima. May Pan have mercy on your cake.

    NEXT!
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #51 - May 14, 2009, 06:57 PM

    God is the most logical being in the univese.

    What does "most logical" mean?


    I would have thought that it is pretty obvious.

    I guess not.

    Ok, I will make it clear for you:

    It means that God's logic is pure all the times.

    True Believers' logic is pure 98 percent of the times.

    Honest Atheists' and Agnostics' logic is pure 20 percent of the times. 

    Evil doers' logic is pure only 5 percent of the times.

    Therefore to sum up:

    God never slips.

    I am ignoring the percentages for now. plz refrain from pulling numbers from a hat. I am not your mosque buddy, and as such I do not have to nod in agreement like a drone at everything you come up with. I do not find you cute. I am not even giving you yet the benefit of the doubt that you are witty or even credible for that matter.

    Now by most logical, you mean he makes less or no logical errors. That is a good distinction.

    You also state that a god should never slip. I will hold you to that.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #52 - May 15, 2009, 03:00 AM

    God is the most logical being in the univese.

    What does "most logical" mean?


    I would have thought that it is pretty obvious.

    I guess not.

    Ok, I will make it clear for you:

    It means that God's logic is pure all the times.

    True Believers' logic is pure 98 percent of the times.

    Honest Atheists' and Agnostics' logic is pure 20 percent of the times. 

    Evil doers' logic is pure only 5 percent of the times.

    Therefore to sum up:

    God never slips.

    I am ignoring the percentages for now. plz refrain from pulling numbers from a hat. I am not your mosque buddy, and as such I do not have to nod in agreement like a drone at everything you come up with. I do not find you cute. I am not even giving you yet the benefit of the doubt that you are witty or even credible for that matter.

    Now by most logical, you mean he makes less or no logical errors. That is a good distinction.

    You also state that a god should never slip. I will hold you to that.




    Cheesy I dunno, I find rayback quite cute  001_wub What say you, rayback? Want to wed in holy pancakimony with the Pancake Lord as our witness?  Wink
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #53 - May 15, 2009, 04:55 AM

    Someone is really feeling the pancakes today.  whistling2

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #54 - May 15, 2009, 05:21 AM

    Now repeat after me:

    Ash Hada Anna La Illaha Illa Al Pancake Wa Karl Rasoula Al Pancake.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #55 - May 15, 2009, 12:34 PM


    I do not find you cute.



    I think you are very cute.


    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #56 - May 15, 2009, 02:58 PM

    You may have a point, osmanthus.

    But wouldnt you say that the rest of his remarks discussed things that were beside the question which he asked about the extent of logic innate to God.

    I agree with you, one should read all the post before replying or criticising.

    That is where most Atheists stand accused of reading religious books and out of context pick verses irrelevant to the topic.

    Most Atheists are incapable of making a coherent argument based on facts.

    Only a few are reasonable and say things logically.




    I know plenty of Muslims who take the verse about "there is no compulsion in religion" out of context and use it to argue that there is no punihsment for apostates in religion.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #57 - May 15, 2009, 03:04 PM

    And what the hell is with those percentages?

    I guess it means you can use it against something you disagree with against an atheist.

    "No, no! Look at these official percentages. They say you are only 20% logical! Therefore your probably wrong!"

    *sigh*

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #58 - May 19, 2009, 03:43 PM

    And what the hell is with those percentages?

    I guess it means you can use it against something you disagree with against an atheist.

    "No, no! Look at these official percentages. They say you are only 20% logical! Therefore your probably wrong!"



    Do you have different, a more accurate set of numbers?

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  • Re: Who will Burn in Hell
     Reply #59 - May 19, 2009, 03:46 PM

      Some deep questions.

      My replies in black:

    • Why wouldn't GOD or Allah or Jesus, (or that invisible man in the sky!) just show up and let us crawl back in our holes in fear and start worshiping him day and night!!!
    Because that would render your brain useless.
    • Why leave us in doubt?
    Who is this us. 20 percent are in no doubt.
    • Why he has to send some middle-men to tell us about him?
    Who would you prefer?
    • Why not part the See anymore like he did with Moses?
    Do you know what happened to Moses?
    • Why can't he just burn us for not believing in him and wait until later to burn us and torture us in hell?
    Because nobody likes to burn right now
    • Why his creation is not perfect, disease, hunger, poverty etc?
    Creation is perfect. Even science says flu is good for you
    • Why most of his prophets and messengers were from (Israel) middle east?
    Because dumbest people need more care.
    • Why that man whom I witnessed with my own eyes groping and feeling a women in Mecca just few meters away from Kaaba was not stroked dead and turned into a pile of dust for not respecting the presumably most holy places on earth?
    Dont you think thats excessive penatly for feeling a pretty woman?



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