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 Topic: The Problem of Evil

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  • The Problem of Evil
     OP - May 14, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Excellent video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjFVP6qkiI

  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #1 - May 14, 2009, 11:55 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 14, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Excellent video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjFVP6qkiI





    hasan

    what is evil to you?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #2 - May 15, 2009, 12:08 AM
    I don't think evil is much of a problem. I just enjoy it.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #3 - May 15, 2009, 02:55 AM
    People who don't like pancakes are evil.

    People who waste pancakes are evil.

    People who don't worship the Pancake Lord are evil.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #4 - May 15, 2009, 06:48 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 14, 2009, 11:55 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 14, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Excellent video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjFVP6qkiI





    hasan

    what is evil to you?


    Actually I don't really think there are absolute or objective definitions of good and evil.

    Evil is just a convenient word to use as a label for certain things, like keeping someone alive for for eternity so that they can be made to suffer agonising pain. (and the God who does that is Evil.)

    What is evil to you?
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #5 - May 15, 2009, 08:34 AM
    Evil to me ?

    Well deliberately causing someone else harm (physical, emotional, financial) especially when it is unjustified is evil for starters.

     far away hug
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #6 - May 15, 2009, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: Suprah on May 15, 2009, 08:34 AM
    Evil to me ?

    Well deliberately causing someone else harm (physical, emotional, financial) especially when it is unjustified is evil for starters.

     far away hug


    all of this is well described

    god gave us free will but did not created this evils
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #7 - May 15, 2009, 12:05 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 15, 2009, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: Suprah on May 15, 2009, 08:34 AM
    Evil to me ?

    Well deliberately causing someone else harm (physical, emotional, financial) especially when it is unjustified is evil for starters.

     far away hug


    all of this is well described

    god gave us free will but did not created this evils


    So God didn't want or intend Hitler to commit evil?

    Does that mean God's creation can behave in a way that God does not want or intend?
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #8 - May 15, 2009, 12:06 PM
    And you didn't answer me - what is evil to you?
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #9 - May 15, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 14, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Excellent video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjFVP6qkiI




    You can't really use logic to judge higher abstract truth. Logic only validates the internal integrity of a statement, and even that it is not complete. You can express logical arguments using mathematics, but using logic there is only so far you can go, see the incompleteness theorem.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #10 - May 15, 2009, 12:15 PM
    I have also explained this before, there is no such thing as "evil" and "good" these are cultural archetypes, and a dualistic mind-set. 

    Abstractions can be very useful (language is a good example) and very dangerous - as in the case of the belief in evil and the need to conquer it, which paradoxically almost always involves violence. The problem is that humans invent abstractions as a way of understanding reality, but then forget that these are merely illusory abstractions. to me ?evil? is a remnant from a very old description of our universe and not very useful at all. In fact the only people I?ve spoken with that seem conflicted with evil are those that are of highly dogmatic faiths. they insist that it exists, that there are bad guys out there and that there is some unknown (or simply satanic) force behind them. In my eyes, this is simply a gaping lack of communication! just about everybody thinks that they are right. and what happens when you get two or more people who are CONVINCED that they are ?right? in a room together? all out war! if we acknowledged the flexible nature of ?rightness? (what?s right for you is different from what?s right for me (and that?s okay?)) things would be alright.
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #11 - May 15, 2009, 12:38 PM
    What is evil?

    "Hell is an Evil destination".

    I didnt say that.

    God said it.

    And He is going to make sure that He leads certain people there for a proper burning for all eternity.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #12 - May 15, 2009, 12:56 PM
    Dude, you have some issues. Ever thought of seeing a psychiatrist or something...maybe overcome your obsession with the 'fiery pits of hell'? It can't be healthy. Chillax and go and have a pancake.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #13 - May 15, 2009, 01:03 PM
    You are right.

    I do have some issues, although Im not a woman.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #14 - May 15, 2009, 01:09 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 15, 2009, 01:03 PM
    You are right.

    I do have some issues, although Im not a woman.




    What has being a woman got to do with any issues you may have  Roll Eyes
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #15 - May 15, 2009, 01:12 PM
    Im told only women have issues.

    I have not independently confirmed this yet.

    But thats what everyone is saying, including scientists.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #16 - May 15, 2009, 01:15 PM
    That's right, only women have issues.  That's why there are no men in mental institutions, and no men ever commit suicide. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #17 - May 15, 2009, 01:16 PM
    HB, he's trolling. Again.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #18 - May 15, 2009, 01:21 PM
    Os: Yeh, I know...I just feel crabby. And since I don't believe in hell, I thought I'd vent my issues by dealing with someone delusional.

    Quote from: rayback on May 15, 2009, 01:12 PM
    Im told only women have issues.

    I have not independently confirmed this yet.

    But thats what everyone is saying, including scientists.




    Well you confirm that men have issues too. So that theory goes out the window. Now stop being a bad little troll and go get yourself some pancakes.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #19 - May 15, 2009, 01:28 PM
    My issues are different from those of ladies.

    Mine are green. Theirs are red.

     grin12

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #20 - May 15, 2009, 01:28 PM
    Talk to this. Much the same as rayback. http://www.alicebot.org/igod/
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #21 - May 15, 2009, 01:30 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 15, 2009, 01:28 PM
    My issues are different from those of ladies.

    Mine are green. Theirs are red.

     grin12




    Was that a sexual innuendo? Cos if it was, I sincerely hope yours aren't green. That would be reason for you to go to a hospital, for a physical check up as well as a mental one.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #22 - May 15, 2009, 01:31 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 15, 2009, 01:28 PM
    Talk to this. Much the same as rayback. http://www.alicebot.org/igod/


     Cheesy
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #23 - May 15, 2009, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 15, 2009, 01:28 PM
    Talk to this. Much the same as rayback. http://www.alicebot.org/igod/


    My conversation with god:

    Quote
    Human: do you exist
    God: I exist as much as you exist, .
    Human: are you a poo
    God: Am I a poo? Of course I am.

  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #24 - May 15, 2009, 02:01 PM
    Quote
    Human: do you get off on watching people fuck?
    God: I have gotten off on watching people fuck.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #25 - May 15, 2009, 02:04 PM
    Quote
    Human: am i going to hell?
    God: I think you've improved a great deal.
    Human: Am I going to heaven?
    God: All humans seem the same to me.


    Ha! Rayback is wrong. God said so himself.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #26 - May 15, 2009, 10:24 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 15, 2009, 12:05 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 15, 2009, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: Suprah on May 15, 2009, 08:34 AM
    Evil to me ?

    Well deliberately causing someone else harm (physical, emotional, financial) especially when it is unjustified is evil for starters.

     far away hug


    all of this is well described

    god gave us free will but did not created this evils


    So God didn't want or intend Hitler to commit evil?

    Does that mean God's creation can behave in a way that God does not want or intend?


    yes, that apply to humans
    there are two kind of creatures in universe humans with free will and other are like robotic animals and angels
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #27 - May 15, 2009, 10:25 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 15, 2009, 12:06 PM
    And you didn't answer me - what is evil to you?



    i thing Suprah answer that
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #28 - May 18, 2009, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 15, 2009, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: Suprah on May 15, 2009, 08:34 AM
    Evil to me ?

    Well deliberately causing someone else harm (physical, emotional, financial) especially when it is unjustified is evil for starters.

     far away hug


    all of this is well described

    god gave us free will but did not created this evils


    God gave us the will to commit evil and thus God is evil.

    Then you will say, but free will is soooo good that it outweighs any evil it may result in.

    Then I say, why couldn't God make it so that we didn't have the ability to commit evil acts.

    Then you will say, but then that wouldn't be free will.

    Then I say, yes it would. God doesn't give us the ability to fly, but you would still argue that we have free will.

    Then you will say, we might not have the ability to fly but we can will to fly, even though we will fail.

    Then I say, well in that case God could have put some natural law in place that meant we could will to commit an evil act but not have the ability to, so we would fail.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: The Problem of Evil
     Reply #29 - May 18, 2009, 06:37 PM
    Me: Do you exist?
    God: I exist as much as you exist
    Me: Do I exist?
    God: No, I think I am imagining you.
    Me: Does that mean I am imagining you?
    God: I think it does mean that. I thought you were, but I wasn't completely sure.

     Cheesy
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
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