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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #30 - May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #31 - May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM

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There's no reason to believe that anything created us. Now, answer Hassan's question, please.

we are here without cause?

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #32 - May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM

Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

please read my blog, read how islam will win
the clash of civilization.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #33 - May 17, 2009, 02:03 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he not created being

Why worship it then? you might as well worship the universe which is also not a living thing, so god is inanimate, and you contradict, 6,000 years of religious theology. The fuck outta here!

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #34 - May 17, 2009, 02:08 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:53 PM
Quote from: heartbomb on May 17, 2009, 01:50 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:49 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 01:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:42 PM
who and what created us?

I already said I don't know.

atheists dont know where we came from?

What/who created Allah?

nothing

That makes no sense whatsoever. What a bloody cop out. You contradicted yourself.
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #35 - May 17, 2009, 02:09 PM

Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 02:03 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he not created being

Why worship it then? you might as well worship the universe which is also not a living thing, so god is inanimate, and you contradict, 6,000 years of religious theology. The fuck outta here!

worship has nothing to do we have creator or not

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #36 - May 17, 2009, 02:13 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

You said EVERYTHING has a cause. The same should be applied to Allah.

Rubbish argument. Come back when you have substance in your statements backed up by facts and not some cop-out of a so-called explanation of evolution which you obviously do not have an understanding of.
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #37 - May 17, 2009, 02:14 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:09 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 02:03 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he not created being

Why worship it then? you might as well worship the universe which is also not a living thing, so god is inanimate, and you contradict, 6,000 years of religious theology. The fuck outta here!

worship has nothing to do we have creator or not

Go away, I am done using your ego as a urinal!

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #38 - May 17, 2009, 02:15 PM

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I am done using your ego as a urinal!

Oooh, miaow! Good put down.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #39 - May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #40 - May 17, 2009, 02:47 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:09 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 02:03 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he not created being

Why worship it then? you might as well worship the universe which is also not a living thing, so god is inanimate, and you contradict, 6,000 years of religious theology. The fuck outta here!

worship has nothing to do we have creator or not

I don't know.

Can you please show me some evidence that we do.
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #41 - May 17, 2009, 02:51 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).

not in a sense of biology

please read my blog, read how islam will win
the clash of civilization.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #42 - May 17, 2009, 02:55 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:47 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:09 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 02:03 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he not created being

Why worship it then? you might as well worship the universe which is also not a living thing, so god is inanimate, and you contradict, 6,000 years of religious theology. The fuck outta here!

worship has nothing to do we have creator or not

I don't know.

Can you please show me some evidence that we do.

we are living creature by some cause and that is god

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #43 - May 17, 2009, 02:59 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:55 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:47 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:09 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 02:03 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he not created being

Why worship it then? you might as well worship the universe which is also not a living thing, so god is inanimate, and you contradict, 6,000 years of religious theology. The fuck outta here!

worship has nothing to do we have creator or not

I don't know.

Can you please show me some evidence that we do.

we are living creature by some cause and that is god

That's not proof.

The fact that we don't know the cause does not mean the cause is God.
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #44 - May 17, 2009, 03:06 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:51 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).

not in a sense of biology

You keep changing what you say.

First you say;

'everything has a cause'

Then when someone points out that you believe God has no cause you say;

'Oh I mean a living thing"

Then when I point out Allah says he is a living thing, you say:

"Oh I meant in the sense of Biology"

OK... How do you know Allah falls outside your definition of Biology?
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #45 - May 17, 2009, 04:59 PM

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Reply #46 - May 17, 2009, 05:05 PM

He is trying to be smart by shifting the parameters to the Kalam cosmological argument, which I have debunked.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #47 - May 17, 2009, 07:58 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 03:06 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:51 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).

not in a sense of biology

You keep changing what you say.

First you say;

'everything has a cause'

Then when someone points out that you believe God has no cause you say;

'Oh I mean a living thing"

Then when I point out Allah says he is a living thing, you say:

"Oh I meant in the sense of Biology"

OK... How do you know Allah falls outside your definition of Biology?

well, allah is not made of blood and bones

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #48 - May 17, 2009, 08:01 PM

Nor are plants and trees. Does that mean they don't need any creator either?

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #49 - May 17, 2009, 08:19 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 07:58 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 03:06 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:51 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).

not in a sense of biology

You keep changing what you say.

First you say;

'everything has a cause'

Then when someone points out that you believe God has no cause you say;

'Oh I mean a living thing"

Then when I point out Allah says he is a living thing, you say:

"Oh I meant in the sense of Biology"

OK... How do you know Allah falls outside your definition of Biology?

well, allah is not made of blood and bones

Here we go again...

How do you know what Allah is made of?
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #50 - May 17, 2009, 09:53 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 08:19 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 07:58 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 03:06 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:51 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 11:50 AM
Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).

not in a sense of biology

You keep changing what you say.

First you say;

'everything has a cause'

Then when someone points out that you believe God has no cause you say;

'Oh I mean a living thing"

Then when I point out Allah says he is a living thing, you say:

"Oh I meant in the sense of Biology"

OK... How do you know Allah falls outside your definition of Biology?

well, allah is not made of blood and bones

Here we go again...

How do you know what Allah is made of?

ayat declares that allah is beyond comprehend

Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) i

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #51 - May 17, 2009, 10:02 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 08:19 PM
How do you know what Allah is made of?

ayat declares that allah is beyond comprehend

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #52 - May 17, 2009, 10:09 PM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
ayat declares that allah is beyond comprehend

And you just believed the Ayat?

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #53 - May 17, 2009, 10:16 PM

Quote from: kope
ayat declares that allah is beyond comprehend

See logical fallacy number 7 - Circular Logic - The premise that what you are trying to prove is evidence of it's self.
The bible is the word of god because it says it is, And it can't be wrong, because after all, It is the word of god.

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #54 - May 17, 2009, 10:16 PM

Quote from: RIBS on May 17, 2009, 10:09 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
ayat declares that allah is beyond comprehend

And you just believed the Ayat?

yes

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #55 - May 18, 2009, 06:34 AM

I recommend Seeing fallacy number 9

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5396.msg137711;topicseen#new

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #56 - May 18, 2009, 06:40 AM

Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 08:19 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 07:58 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 03:06 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 02:51 PM
Quote from: Hassan on May 17, 2009, 02:46 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:59 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quote from: kope on May 17, 2009, 01:51 PM
Quote from: King Tut on May 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
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Prove We Have A Creator

The diffination of creator is someone or something cause something to happen

Our creator is the Earth, Earth is the unique planet among other planets. Earth created all living thing through the process of evolution.

And the Sun is God of preserver of all living thing

Immanuel Kant showed that it is not necessary that every event has a cause. This belief is merely based on habit not on reason the universe does not need a cause. Even if it did have a cause there is absolutely no reason then that cause was like a human having conciousness, love etc.

every thing have cause

give me example which does not have cause?

If God is a cause then one asks what caused God? If God caused himself then one can say the universe caused itself.

god is not a living thing so he is not created being

The Qur'an says Allah is living (Hayy).

not in a sense of biology

You keep changing what you say.

First you say;

'everything has a cause'

Then when someone points out that you believe God has no cause you say;

'Oh I mean a living thing"

Then when I point out Allah says he is a living thing, you say:

"Oh I meant in the sense of Biology"

OK... How do you know Allah falls outside your definition of Biology?

well, allah is not made of blood and bones

Here we go again...

How do you know what Allah is made of?

ayat declares that allah is beyond comprehend

Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) i

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.

I wondered how long it would take you to resort to the Qur'an as proof!

Here we go again.... "How do you know the Qur'an is true?"

Don't you understand, Kope?

It's a circular argument.

"It's true because it says it's true"
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #57 - May 18, 2009, 06:53 AM

Quote from: RIBS on May 18, 2009, 06:34 AM
I recommend Seeing fallacy number 9

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5396.msg137711;topicseen#new

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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #58 - May 18, 2009, 08:13 AM

Its a waste of time trying to prove we were created.

There is no proof of how we came about or how the universe came about.

Big bang is pretty much 100% proof of how the current state of affairs started, but its no answer to the ultimate questions but its leading us down a better path of understanding.

So arguing over 'proofs' that simply dont exist is...well...silly. Time is better spent understanding how to better understand yourself before trying to understand something like 'how we were created'.

When we have a lack of understaning of ourselves its always going to distort our views on things beyond us.

The universe and everything in it, including our bodies, thoughts, emotions, every tiny particle is in constant change, from one thing to another, coming and going, light to day, religions come and go, people live and die, the me of today isnt the me of yesterday, nothing is perminent...so the idea of something that has existed without change, i.e. God... forever is against reality.
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Re: Prove We Have Creator
Reply #59 - May 18, 2009, 08:19 AM

Quote from: Glen on May 18, 2009, 08:13 AM
Its a waste of time trying to prove we were created.

There is no proof of how we came about or how the universe came about.

Big bang is pretty much 100% proof of how the current state of affairs started, but its no answer to the ultimate questions but its leading us down a better path of understanding.

So arguing over 'proofs' that simply dont exist is...well...silly. Time is better spent understanding how to better understand yourself before trying to understand something like 'how we were created'.

When we have a lack of understaning of ourselves its always going to distort our views on things beyond us.

The universe and everything in it, including our bodies, thoughts, emotions, every tiny particle is in constant change, from one thing to another, coming and going, light to day, religions come and go, people live and die, the me of today isnt the me of yesterday, nothing is perminent...so the idea of something that has existed without change, i.e. God... forever is against reality.

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