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 Topic: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?

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  • Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     OP - May 22, 2009, 04:12 PM

    From Surah Al-Ahzab (No. 33)


    ... O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity. (53) Whether ye divulge a thing or keep it hidden, lo! Allah is ever Knower of all things. (54) ...

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  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #1 - May 22, 2009, 06:18 PM

    It sickens me that the wives of the prophet have to speak from behind a veil and they weren't allowed the chance to marry someone more decent after his death. That man is so full of jealousy when it comes to his wives yet it's ok for him to make his own wives jealous! Bloody hypocrite! finmad
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #2 - May 22, 2009, 06:22 PM

    This guest thing is one of my favorites, I've written about it loads of times! yes

    This is one bit not from the hadiths but from the Quran itself which may sow the seeds of doubt in believers! Mo is shy to tell guests to depart so Almighty Allah does it for him! Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #3 - May 22, 2009, 06:34 PM

    That's in the Qur'an?    Cheesy  Lol. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #4 - May 22, 2009, 07:23 PM

    That's in the Qur'an?    Cheesy  Lol. 


    Yup! Sad but true!!!

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  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #5 - May 22, 2009, 07:31 PM

    That's in the Qur'an?    Cheesy  Lol. 


    Yup! Sad but true!!!


    The more I read the Quran the more I see that it was written by a man!!

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  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #6 - May 22, 2009, 07:33 PM

    What seems strange on rereading the verse is why does M says that no-one can marry his wives after his death - does anyone know any explanation for this? Is is taken up in anywhere else?
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #7 - May 22, 2009, 07:37 PM


    The more I read the Quran the more I see that it was written by a man!!
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    Right on Ribs - the same can be said about the Bible - remember reading St Paul's letters to the Corinthians for the first time - finished in a state of shock - NO ONE had ever mentioned to me all that it contained.
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #8 - May 22, 2009, 08:07 PM


    The more I read the Quran the more I see that it was written by a man!!


    Right on Ribs - the same can be said about the Bible - remember reading St Paul's letters to the Corinthians for the first time - finished in a state of shock - NO ONE had ever mentioned to me all that it contained.
    [/quote]

    I did not read the bible, can you please tell me more about thee letters?

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  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #9 - May 22, 2009, 10:19 PM

    It was many years since I read it - but recall overall that women are to remain silent in church services, not allowed to teach men, should wear the veil and something about woman being made from man (reminiscent of Eve being created from Adam's rib).... - I'll find the actual texts - it'd be interesting to reread them. 
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #10 - May 23, 2009, 01:06 AM

    It was many years since I read it - but recall overall that women are to remain silent in church services, not allowed to teach men, should wear the veil and something about woman being made from man (reminiscent of Eve being created from Adam's rib).... - I'll find the actual texts - it'd be interesting to reread them. 


    The Bible is full of nonsense too, but it doesn't quite have the comedy value of the Qur'an ordering Mohammed's house guests to go home early, for the simple reason that the Bible was written by men, whereas the Qur'an was supposedly dictated by God.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #11 - May 23, 2009, 05:22 AM

    Muslims would say that this was a lesson of etiquettes for guests.

    I would say this was an example of Muhammad becoming a senile old man who hated visitors. 

    peaceful, no ? far away hug

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  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #12 - May 25, 2009, 09:01 AM

    This is the very first verse I read that made me seriously doubt.
    I went to the Tafsir hoping to find some explanation, but it only got worse:

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    (O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet?) [33:53]. Most of the commentators of the Qur?an said: ?When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, married Zaynab bint Jahsh, he organised a wedding feast in which was offered dates and a mush of wheat and he slaughtered a sheep. Anas said: ?My mother Umm Sulaym sent him a container made of stone. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, then commanded me to invite his Companions to eat and so I did. Groups of people came, ate and then left. I said: ?O Prophet of Allah, I have invited everybody and there is no one else to invite?. He said: ?Take away your food?. They took away the food and people left, except for three people who stayed in the room talking among themselves. They stayed so long that they annoyed the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, who was extremely bashful [such that he could not ask them to leave]. And so this verse was revealed, and the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, drew a veil between him and me? ?.

    Muhammad ibn ?Abd al-Rahman al-Faqih informed us> Abu Umar Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Hiri> ?Imran ibn Musa ibn Mujashi?> ?Abd al-A?la ibn Hammad al-Nursi> al-Mu?tamir ibn Sulayman> his father> Abu Majlaz> Anas ibn Malik who said: ?When the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, married Zaynab ibn Jahsh, he invited people to a wedding ceremony. People ate and then remained in their seats talking to each other. The Prophet made as if he was preparing himself to leave but people did not get the hint. He then left the room and people left with him, except for three people who remained sitting. When the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, returned and found them still sitting, he went out again. When they saw this, the three men left. I went and informed the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, that they had left. He returned and entered his room. I wanted to enter with him but he drew the curtain between him and me. Allah, exalted is He, then revealed (O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time?) up to His words (Lo! that in Allah?s sight would be an enormity)?.

    This was narrated by Bukhari from Muhammad ibn ?Abd Allah al-Riqashi and also by Muslim from Yahya ibn Habib al-Harithi; both al-Riqashi and al-Harithi related it from al-Mu?tamir. Isma?il ibn Ibrahim al-Wa?iz informed us> Abu ?Amr ibn Nujayd> Muhammad ibn al-Hasan ibn al-Khalil> Hisham ibn ?Ammar> al-Khalil ibn Musa> ?Abd Allah ibn ?Awn> ?Amr ibn Shu?ayb> Anas ibn Malik who said: ?I was with the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, when he passed by one of his rooms and saw people there sitting and talking. He then returned and entered the room and drew the curtain in my face. I went to Abu Talhah and related to him what had happened. He said: ?If what you say is true, Allah, exalted is He, will reveal some Qur?an about it?. Allah, exalted is He, then revealed (O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time)?.

    Ahmad ibn al-Hasan al-Hiri informed us> Hajib ibn Ahmad> ?Abd al-Rahim ibn Munib> Yazid ibn Harun> Humayd> Anas who said: ??Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be well pleased with him, said: ?I said: ?O Messenger of Allah, the righteous and the corrupt enter in on you, why do you not command the mothers of the believers to be out of the sight of men?, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed the verse of segregation (Ayat al-Hijab)? ?.

    This was narrated by Bukhari> Musaddid> Yahya ibn Abi Za?idah> Humayd. Abu Hakim al-Jurjani informed us through verbal authorisation> Abu?l-Faraj al-Qadi> Muhammad ibn Jarir> Ya?qub ibn Ibrahim> Hushaym> Layth> Mujahid who related that the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, was once eating with his Companions when the hand of one of them touched the hand of ?A?ishah who was with them. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was upset because of this, and the verse of segregation was revealed. (? nor that ye should marry his wives after him?) [33:53]. ?Ata? related that Ibn ?Abbas said: ?One of the nobles of Quraysh said: ?I would marry ?A?ishah if the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, were to die?, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse?.

    Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi , trans. Mokrane Guezzou
    ? 2008 Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Amman, Jordan (http://www.aalalbayt.org) ? All Rights Reserved


    I think the most astounding line from the verse is
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    Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth.


    It just screams "multiple personalities" to me.

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #13 - May 25, 2009, 09:06 AM

    What seems strange on rereading the verse is why does M says that no-one can marry his wives after his death - does anyone know any explanation for this? Is is taken up in anywhere else?


    Completely agree. Especially considering most of them were very young (even teenagers) when he died, and as I understand many lived to old age.

    The only attempt of an explanation I've heard for this was something along the lines of them being the "mothers of the believers", so if they married another man or removed the veil then this might somehow sexualize them? Um... yeah.  banghead


    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Mohamed did not like guests to linger for long periods of time?
     Reply #14 - May 25, 2009, 09:21 AM

    It was many years since I read it - but recall overall that women are to remain silent in church services, not allowed to teach men, should wear the veil and something about woman being made from man (reminiscent of Eve being created from Adam's rib).... - I'll find the actual texts - it'd be interesting to reread them.  

    Are you sure? I remember a Christian discussing this and it was the Corinthians who stated women should wear the veil but Paul disagreed and said that the fact that women have longer hair is enough of a veil (or something like that).
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