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  • Am suicidal
     OP - May 24, 2009, 04:41 PM

    I mean logically how can anyone believe half of the stuff they believe in. Its illogical its nonsensical its beyond the laws of our universe. For instance why would an all superior god need humans to worship him. Secondly, Angels carry out gods affairs on earth. Assuming angels are made of light (light the fasting thing in the universe), it would take them 100s of light years to get to earth, unless they are using some kind of instant transportation devices. Now this begs the questions, if angles are using some kind of transportation device could humans build one which can instantly transport humans to other parts of the universe of maybe even beyond.   i.e. escaping the angels where "All mighty powerful god" can't send his angels to have an effect on us in which case god is really not all powerful. Furthermore, if everything is preordained (this is the theory according to all Abrahamic faiths) so then how do we have free-will how come all merciful god is going to punish us for actions which he has predefined.

    (1) Either God can create a rock which He cannot lift, or He cannot create a rock which He cannot lift.

    (2) If God can create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the rock in question). 

    (3) If God cannot create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the rock in question).

    (4) Therefore God is not omnipotent. (This is the only logical explanation)
    Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which He cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone He cannot lift. Because He cannot make a stone He cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.

    I want to believe in a god, but believing in a god is illogical. I might as well believe in pink flying unicorns. However I don't want to believe we die and thats it. I want to believe there is some sort of life after that. However this is also illogical, becouse our bodily composition will degrade over time when we die and before long there will be no existence of you. Our our thoughts are based on electrical impulses in our brains and are emotions are based on chemical reactions in our brain. Once the brain is dead we have no preconception of anything. Time will fly by in an infinite loop. Theres nothing after that. So what is the point of living? there's not even a point to our existence. And I can't be asked being around people doing pointless rituals to some all powerful pseudo god. Its a true saying ignorance really is bliss. 

    And now am trapped in a marriage I always wanted how ironic I wanted a pious religious girl and now I want someone who open minded and isn't going pointless rituals for the fear of going to hell. I really just want to get away from everyone and live in the desert so I can contemplate and philosophize more. I hate ambiguity and I hate living a life which is not going to have a result in the end. 
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #1 - May 24, 2009, 05:46 PM

    I mean logically how can anyone believe half of the stuff they believe in. Its illogical its nonsensical its beyond the laws of our universe. For instance why would an all superior god need humans to worship him. Secondly, Angels carry out gods affairs on earth. Assuming angels are made of light (light the fasting thing in the universe), it would take them 100s of light years to get to earth, unless they are using some kind of instant transportation devices. Now this begs the questions, if angles are using some kind of transportation device could humans build one which can instantly transport humans to other parts of the universe of maybe even beyond.   i.e. escaping the angels where "All mighty powerful god" can't send his angels to have an effect on us in which case god is really not all powerful. Furthermore, if everything is preordained (this is the theory according to all Abrahamic faiths) so then how do we have free-will how come all merciful god is going to punish us for actions which he has predefined.

    (1) Either God can create a rock which He cannot lift, or He cannot create a rock which He cannot lift.

    (2) If God can create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the rock in question). 

    (3) If God cannot create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the rock in question).

    (4) Therefore God is not omnipotent. (This is the only logical explanation)
    Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which He cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone He cannot lift. Because He cannot make a stone He cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.

    I want to believe in a god, but believing in a god is illogical. I might as well believe in pink flying unicorns. However I don't want to believe we die and thats it. I want to believe there is some sort of life after that. However this is also illogical, becouse our bodily composition will degrade over time when we die and before long there will be no existence of you. Our our thoughts are based on electrical impulses in our brains and are emotions are based on chemical reactions in our brain. Once the brain is dead we have no preconception of anything. Time will fly by in an infinite loop. Theres nothing after that. So what is the point of living? there's not even a point to our existence. And I can't be asked being around people doing pointless rituals to some all powerful pseudo god. Its a true saying ignorance really is bliss. 

    And now am trapped in a marriage I always wanted how ironic I wanted a pious religious girl and now I want someone who open minded and isn't going pointless rituals for the fear of going to hell. I really just want to get away from everyone and live in the desert so I can contemplate and philosophize more. I hate ambiguity and I hate living a life which is not going to have a result in the end. 



    Good points King Tut!

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #2 - May 24, 2009, 05:57 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #3 - May 24, 2009, 06:02 PM

    I want to believe there is some sort of life after that. However this is also illogical, becouse our bodily composition will degrade over time when we die and before long there will be no existence of you. Our our thoughts are based on electrical impulses in our brains and are emotions are based on chemical reactions in our brain. Once the brain is dead we have no preconception of anything.




    god will give you new body with your old hard drive or your old memory

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #4 - May 24, 2009, 08:06 PM

    I mean logically how can anyone believe half of the stuff they believe in. Its illogical its nonsensical its beyond the laws of our universe. For instance why would an all superior god need humans to worship him. Secondly, Angels carry out gods affairs on earth. Assuming angels are made of light (light the fasting thing in the universe), it would take them 100s of light years to get to earth, unless they are using some kind of instant transportation devices. Now this begs the questions, if angles are using some kind of transportation device could humans build one which can instantly transport humans to other parts of the universe of maybe even beyond.   i.e. escaping the angels where "All mighty powerful god" can't send his angels to have an effect on us in which case god is really not all powerful. Furthermore, if everything is preordained (this is the theory according to all Abrahamic faiths) so then how do we have free-will how come all merciful god is going to punish us for actions which he has predefined.

    (1) Either God can create a rock which He cannot lift, or He cannot create a rock which He cannot lift.

    (2) If God can create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the rock in question). 

    (3) If God cannot create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the rock in question).

    (4) Therefore God is not omnipotent. (This is the only logical explanation)
    Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which He cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone He cannot lift. Because He cannot make a stone He cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.

    I want to believe in a god, but believing in a god is illogical. I might as well believe in pink flying unicorns. However I don't want to believe we die and thats it. I want to believe there is some sort of life after that. However this is also illogical, becouse our bodily composition will degrade over time when we die and before long there will be no existence of you. Our our thoughts are based on electrical impulses in our brains and are emotions are based on chemical reactions in our brain. Once the brain is dead we have no preconception of anything. Time will fly by in an infinite loop. Theres nothing after that. So what is the point of living? there's not even a point to our existence. And I can't be asked being around people doing pointless rituals to some all powerful pseudo god. Its a true saying ignorance really is bliss. 

    And now am trapped in a marriage I always wanted how ironic I wanted a pious religious girl and now I want someone who open minded and isn't going pointless rituals for the fear of going to hell. I really just want to get away from everyone and live in the desert so I can contemplate and philosophize more. I hate ambiguity and I hate living a life which is not going to have a result in the end. 



    I feel the same as you in a lot of ways my friend, you are not alone.

    I was in leeds city centre yesterday, and even though it was really busy i felt so alone.

    I just kept seeing all the different people, you know, all the materialistic types just shopping their hearts away, the muslim women with their hijabs, the black dudes, the chavs, the snobs...

    ...it depresses the hell out of me, people just go about their lives in what seems like a selfish individualistic cocoon, everyone is walking around judging eachother...

    then i think maybe i can join something, even becoame a muslim...then i remember all the shit that they believe!

    Its like there are no answers to life, no refuge. And when you do confide, these asshats just want to take advantage of you for their own scummy selfish causes, causes that just label people and divide humanity.
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #5 - May 24, 2009, 08:18 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    You better hope Muslims don't overhear you saying that their god isn't omnipotent - they might kill you for being an apostate/blasphemer.
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #6 - May 24, 2009, 09:36 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    You better hope Muslims don't overhear you saying that their god isn't omnipotent - they might kill you for being an apostate/blasphemer.


    dont be paranoia

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #7 - May 24, 2009, 09:38 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    You better hope Muslims don't overhear you saying that their god isn't omnipotent - they might kill you for being an apostate/blasphemer.


    dont be paranoia

    Of course he can - how do you know anyway?  If Allah can supposedly create the universe, along with nature & human beings, then it would be easy for him to have sex, became a man , shit, eat etc

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #8 - May 24, 2009, 09:42 PM


    why would an all superior god need humans to worship him.



    worship simple mean obey god


    i go to work for my family i am worshiping god , i help poor  i am worshiping god etc

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #9 - May 24, 2009, 09:43 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    You better hope Muslims don't overhear you saying that their god isn't omnipotent - they might kill you for being an apostate/blasphemer.


    dont be paranoia

    Of course he can - how do you know anyway?  If Allah can supposedly create the universe, along with nature & human beings, then it would be easy for him to have sex, became a man , shit, eat etc




    can god die?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #10 - May 24, 2009, 09:58 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    You better hope Muslims don't overhear you saying that their god isn't omnipotent - they might kill you for being an apostate/blasphemer.


    dont be paranoia

    Of course he can - how do you know anyway?  If Allah can supposedly create the universe, along with nature & human beings, then it would be easy for him to have sex, became a man , shit, eat etc




    can god die?

    No, not according to the Islamic definition

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #11 - May 24, 2009, 10:06 PM



    there are many thing that god cant do for example to have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    You better hope Muslims don't overhear you saying that their god isn't omnipotent - they might kill you for being an apostate/blasphemer.


    dont be paranoia

    Of course he can - how do you know anyway?  If Allah can supposedly create the universe, along with nature & human beings, then it would be easy for him to have sex, became a man , shit, eat etc




    can god die?

    No, not according to the Islamic definition


    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #12 - May 24, 2009, 10:41 PM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #13 - May 24, 2009, 11:00 PM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.


    are you exmuslim? lol


    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #14 - May 24, 2009, 11:05 PM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.

    are you exmuslim? lol

    yes

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #15 - May 24, 2009, 11:53 PM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.

    are you exmuslim? lol

    yes

    muslims believe god can became man?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #16 - May 25, 2009, 12:04 AM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.

    are you exmuslim? lol

    yes

    muslims believe god can became man?

    Muslims believe he God can do anything he wants - thats what omnipotent means

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #17 - May 25, 2009, 01:05 AM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.

    are you exmuslim? lol

    yes

    muslims believe god can became man?

    Muslims believe he God can do anything he wants - thats what omnipotent means


    Zakir Naik --- God can become man?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Vxmso5BuY


    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #18 - May 25, 2009, 01:16 AM

    according to islam god cant  have sex, became a man , shit, eat

    I dont believe you, can you quote the which surah or hadith say this, so I can look it up myself.

    are you exmuslim? lol

    yes

    muslims believe god can became man?

    Muslims believe he God can do anything he wants - thats what omnipotent means


    Zakir Naik --- God can become man?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Vxmso5BuY



    You misinterprated the message in the video.  Zakir Naik is not saying God cannot become man, Naik is saying that God does not need to become man.

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #19 - May 25, 2009, 01:20 AM

    So God isn't all powerful after all then?
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #20 - May 25, 2009, 01:23 AM

    So God isn't all powerful after all then?



    yes, god is all powerful

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #21 - May 25, 2009, 08:34 AM


    I just kept seeing all the different people, you know, all the materialistic types just shopping their hearts away, the muslim women with their hijabs, the black dudes, the chavs, the snobs...

    ...it depresses the hell out of me, people just go about their lives in what seems like a selfish individualistic cocoon, everyone is walking around judging eachother...




    With all due respect, it sounds like you are the one going around judging people. What you see is what you get. Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #22 - May 25, 2009, 08:47 AM


    I just kept seeing all the different people, you know, all the materialistic types just shopping their hearts away, the muslim women with their hijabs, the black dudes, the chavs, the snobs...

    ...it depresses the hell out of me, people just go about their lives in what seems like a selfish individualistic cocoon, everyone is walking around judging eachother...




    With all due respect, it sounds like you are the one going around judging people. What you see is what you get. Smiley


    Yep i hear you, very good point.

    But its still true that people are very judgemental and i too am a victim of doing that.
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #23 - May 25, 2009, 09:29 AM

    (1) Either God can create a rock which He cannot lift, or He cannot create a rock which He cannot lift.

    (2) If God can create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the rock in question). 

    (3) If God cannot create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the rock in question).

    (4) Therefore God is not omnipotent. (This is the only logical explanation)
    Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which He cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone He cannot lift. Because He cannot make a stone He cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.

    I disagree with this. It is an illogical thing to ask of god. If he is omnipotent then asking to create a rock so big he cannot lift it is contradictory.

    I never understand why people expect so much from him, why does he need to be able to do everything anyway?

    Aside from that, the rest of your points seem good.


    Quote
    I want to believe in a god, but believing in a god is illogical. I might as well believe in pink flying unicorns. However I don't want to believe we die and thats it. I want to believe there is some sort of life after that. However this is also illogical, becouse our bodily composition will degrade over time when we die and before long there will be no existence of you. Our our thoughts are based on electrical impulses in our brains and are emotions are based on chemical reactions in our brain. Once the brain is dead we have no preconception of anything. Time will fly by in an infinite loop. Theres nothing after that. So what is the point of living? there's not even a point to our existence. And I can't be asked being around people doing pointless rituals to some all powerful pseudo god. Its a true saying ignorance really is bliss. 

    Just because there is no point to life doesn't mean we cant enjoy it while it lasts.

    Quote
    And now am trapped in a marriage I always wanted how ironic I wanted a pious religious girl and now I want someone who open minded and isn't going pointless rituals for the fear of going to hell. I really just want to get away from everyone and live in the desert so I can contemplate and philosophize more. I hate ambiguity and I hate living a life which is not going to have a result in the end. 

    Is divorce an option? Or would your wife find it difficult to cope with?
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #24 - May 25, 2009, 10:06 AM


    Is divorce an option? Or would your wife find it difficult to cope with?


    Not really, you know with Desis you are not just married to her, but her whole family. It is not that I don't like her, it is just that she is not understanding - I will talk to her for hours eventually convince her, and then if I don't call her for two or three months she is angry about that. She says things like I don't love her, and when I do tell her I love her she says "love is only a word"
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #25 - May 25, 2009, 10:12 AM

    KT, in all honesty, I'd be a little pissed off if my significant other didn't call for months! She's your wife! Huh?
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #26 - May 25, 2009, 10:13 AM



    (1) Either God can create a rock which He cannot lift, or He cannot create a rock which He cannot lift.

    (2) If God can create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the rock in question). 

    (3) If God cannot create a rock which He cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the rock in question).

    (4) Therefore God is not omnipotent. (This is the only logical explanation)
    Omnipotence implies that God can lift anything, therefore it is illogical to say God can make a stone which He cannot lift. It is however logical to say if God can lift anything, then he is not capable of making a stone He cannot lift. Because He cannot make a stone He cannot lift, omnipotence is negated.


    Can God kill himself?

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  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #27 - May 25, 2009, 10:27 AM


    Is divorce an option? Or would your wife find it difficult to cope with?


    Not really, you know with Desis you are not just married to her, but her whole family. It is not that I don't like her, it is just that she is not understanding - I will talk to her for hours eventually convince her, and then if I don't call her for two or three months she is angry about that. She says things like I don't love her, and when I do tell her I love her she says "love is only a word"

    KT she has a very good point. If my partner didn't talk to me for that long then I wouldn't believe him if he said he loved me. I don't understand why you feel she should be ok with that? Huh?
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #28 - May 25, 2009, 10:29 AM

    KT, in all honesty, I'd be a little pissed off if my significant other didn't call for months! She's your wife! Huh?


    I understand, but she never calls me, sometimes I am feeling down and depressed and don't feel like speaking to anyone. I have work today, and I don't even feel like going to work I am really pushing myself to go to work. Since yesterday morning I've been suicidal, I went to a brigade and overlooked it for almost 4 hours. You think about alot of things.
  • Re: Am suicidal
     Reply #29 - May 25, 2009, 10:31 AM

    KT, in all honesty, I'd be a little pissed off if my significant other didn't call for months! She's your wife! Huh?


    I understand, but she never calls me, sometimes I am feeling down and depressed and don't feel like speaking to anyone. I have work today, and I don't even feel like going to work I am really pushing myself to go to work. Since yesterday morning I've been suicidal, I went to a brigade and overlooked it for almost 4 hours. You think about alot of things.

    Why don't you tell her this and ask her to call you now and then?
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