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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #60 - May 30, 2009, 03:34 PM

    Nip it in the bud while they're still huffing and puffing and threatening civil war on Internet forums, IMO.



    How??

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #61 - May 30, 2009, 03:37 PM

    Tell them to grow up and cop the fuck on, I spose.  I dunno, really, I just don't think a religion deserves respect because some of its followers stamp their feet and demand it OR ELSE.  Quite the opposite, if anything.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #62 - May 30, 2009, 03:44 PM

    Totally agree. Respecting other people's faith is very dependent upon what their faith entails. If you think it's bullshit, you should say it out of duty to your fellow man.  Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #63 - May 30, 2009, 03:52 PM

    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    I wonder if this is what they teach at Bradford University on their 'Peace Studies' degree ...

    If you want peace, then respect Islam .... OR ELSE  040

    Belief systems do not in any way deserve to command the respect of others, which is exactly what Islam's approach is today. Respect has to be earned by everyone, and seriously, no religion or belief system has yet done anything to earn my respect.

    Blowing things up out of ignorant anger wont work either.



    tell me what would happen if people in india disrespect eachother religion?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #64 - May 30, 2009, 03:55 PM

    I believe History is a bit mentally scarred. He is a jew moderator on an inslamic forum right? He is the One who put himself in an awkward position having to defend himself all the time.

    Perhaps he thought there was a shore for him to step back and take a rest, he is screwed, i think he is on his own. Maybe an orthodox jewish site would welcome him but, by now, he probably thinks the orthodox are dumb in general.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #65 - May 30, 2009, 04:04 PM

    i believe the founder of islamic forum is a zionist jew

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #66 - May 30, 2009, 04:06 PM

    i believe the founder of islamic forum is a zionist jew

     Cheesy

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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #67 - May 30, 2009, 04:07 PM

    Kope, you really are the perfect Islamist stereotype

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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #68 - May 30, 2009, 04:13 PM

    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    I wonder if this is what they teach at Bradford University on their 'Peace Studies' degree ...

    If you want peace, then respect Islam .... OR ELSE  040

    Belief systems do not in any way deserve to command the respect of others, which is exactly what Islam's approach is today. Respect has to be earned by everyone, and seriously, no religion or belief system has yet done anything to earn my respect.

    Blowing things up out of ignorant anger wont work either.



    tell me what would happen if people in india disrespect eachother religion?


    Ummm, absolutely nothing maybe? People disrespect religion everyday in todays world, the only people that get so angry to the point that they use threats and even violence today is muslims, and maybe a few christians.

    They dont give you lashes or stone you to death in India.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #69 - May 30, 2009, 04:18 PM

    no riots?


    if i eat cow hindu will kill me

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #70 - May 30, 2009, 04:19 PM

    Kope, you really are the perfect Islamist stereotype


    why

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #71 - May 30, 2009, 04:21 PM

    Kope, you really are the perfect Islamist stereotype


    why

    Because you have not moved on from the 7th Century

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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #72 - May 30, 2009, 04:29 PM

    i dont get it

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #73 - May 30, 2009, 05:11 PM

    You won't as you will consider it as normal.  Try doing different things, thinking outside of the box for a minute, and you might, just might get it.  It will take time, but you will feel more refreshed & more human(e) as a result.

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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #74 - May 30, 2009, 06:20 PM

    I said recently to "History" that:

    "I like Jews, but I think Judaism is bullshit."

    I have a feeling that History is quite upset with me for saying that as I have apologised on the thread and again in a PM - neither of which he has responded to.

    Good Shabbos, Hassan.
    I'm not upset.
    (It's not in my nature to be bothered by such things).
    I was merely offering gentle reproof to a friend.  Recall:

    תֵּן לְחָכָם, וְיֶחְכַּם-עוֹד;    הוֹדַע לְצַדִּיק, וְיוֹסֶף לֶקַח.
    Reprove a wise man, and he will be yet wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.
    --Mishlei 9:9

    I am just a rather busy person, between work, family, and community--and I mean well but can spread myself around only so much.  I;m sorry if this caused you any distress.

    Off to services.

    Respectfully,
    History


    Thank you History - you are a role model for me and I hold you in the highest regard. Forgive me for falling short of the standard you have set.

    Forever your friend,

    Hassan.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #75 - May 30, 2009, 06:24 PM

    I respect the people, not the faith.

     Afro

  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #76 - May 30, 2009, 08:36 PM

    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    I wonder if this is what they teach at Bradford University on their 'Peace Studies' degree ...

    If you want peace, then respect Islam .... OR ELSE  040

    Belief systems do not in any way deserve to command the respect of others, which is exactly what Islam's approach is today. Respect has to be earned by everyone, and seriously, no religion or belief system has yet done anything to earn my respect.

    Blowing things up out of ignorant anger wont work either.



    tell me what would happen if people in india disrespect eachother religion?


    Ummm, absolutely nothing maybe? People disrespect religion everyday in todays world, the only people that get so angry to the point that they use threats and even violence today is muslims, and maybe a few christians.



    no riots?


    if i eat cow hindu will kill me


    Who needs beef when you can have pork chops with chardonnay wine?

    Mmmmmm  .... Pork + Wine !

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #77 - May 30, 2009, 09:45 PM

    why do hindus kill for eating beef?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #78 - May 30, 2009, 11:05 PM

    They do?

    Any proof that hindus kill you if you eat beef? My whole hindu family eat cheeseburgers and they're still alive.

    Why do Muslims kill for leaving your religion? I dont need proof for this, it is written in the Quran and people here already know that it happens.

    According to google, there is no proof for your claim that hindus kill for eating cows:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hindus+kill+for+eating+cow&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=2&oq=

    I thought that things that people say around about religion here need to be provable.

    Hindus oppose to the killing and eating of cows, they dont however kill you for it. Just like the western world opposes killing and eating horses, cats or dogs because these animals are domesticated as pets and companions in western culture, and killing them can actually get you jailed.


    Even this history proffesor here who researches and writes about beef eating in Indias history has not found that people were ever killed for killing or eating cows. In fact, punishments for even killing cows have always been minor throughout Indian history, it has never carried a death penalty if you either kill or eat cows in India.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/7708836/A-Brahmins-Cow-Tales-History-of-Beef-Eating-in-India-by-Hindus

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #79 - May 30, 2009, 11:12 PM

    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    I wonder if this is what they teach at Bradford University on their 'Peace Studies' degree ...

    If you want peace, then respect Islam .... OR ELSE  040

    Belief systems do not in any way deserve to command the respect of others, which is exactly what Islam's approach is today. Respect has to be earned by everyone, and seriously, no religion or belief system has yet done anything to earn my respect.

    Blowing things up out of ignorant anger wont work either.



    tell me what would happen if people in india disrespect eachother religion?


    Ummm, absolutely nothing maybe? People disrespect religion everyday in todays world, the only people that get so angry to the point that they use threats and even violence today is muslims, and maybe a few christians.



    no riots?


    if i eat cow hindu will kill me


    Who needs beef when you can have pork chops with chardonnay wine?

    Mmmmmm  .... Pork + Wine !



    why do hindus kill for eating beef?


    They do?

    Any proof that hindus kill you if you eat beef?



    google : hindu cow killing

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #80 - May 30, 2009, 11:18 PM

    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    I wonder if this is what they teach at Bradford University on their 'Peace Studies' degree ...

    If you want peace, then respect Islam .... OR ELSE  040

    Belief systems do not in any way deserve to command the respect of others, which is exactly what Islam's approach is today. Respect has to be earned by everyone, and seriously, no religion or belief system has yet done anything to earn my respect.

    Blowing things up out of ignorant anger wont work either.



    tell me what would happen if people in india disrespect eachother religion?


    Ummm, absolutely nothing maybe? People disrespect religion everyday in todays world, the only people that get so angry to the point that they use threats and even violence today is muslims, and maybe a few christians.



    no riots?


    if i eat cow hindu will kill me


    Who needs beef when you can have pork chops with chardonnay wine?

    Mmmmmm  .... Pork + Wine !



    why do hindus kill for eating beef?


    They do?

    Any proof that hindus kill you if you eat beef?



    google : hindu cow killing


    I did. And what exactly? Where does it say that hindus have ever killed anyone for eating a cow? They get upset by cow killings, just as much as westerners get upset over killing horses in China, but hindus have not actually 'killed' anyone for eating beef as you have claimed.

    Cow killing has been banned in India. Horse killing and Equine meat trading has been banned across Europe with prison sentences as punishments.

    Where is there any difference here between either Indian or Western beliefs about animals, except that each side favors a different animal?

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #81 - May 30, 2009, 11:20 PM

    I did. And what exactly? Where does it say that hindus have ever killed anyone for eating a cow? They get upset by cow killings, just as much as westerners get upset over killing horses in China, but hindus have not actually 'killed' anyone for eating beef as you have claimed.


    Cow killing triggers new round of anti-Christian violence in India
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13195

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #82 - May 30, 2009, 11:21 PM

    Cow killing triggers new round of anti-Christian violence in India
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13195


    'no one was reported killed in the recent attacks'.

    You lied.

    I asked you to find where people have been 'killed' for eating beef as you claimed. You have not done that.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #83 - May 30, 2009, 11:24 PM

    tell us something about him that we dont know

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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #84 - May 30, 2009, 11:41 PM

    'no one was reported killed in the recent attacks'.

    You lied.

    I asked you to find where people have been 'killed' for eating beef as you claimed. You have not done that.


    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19661107&id=ENoLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RVcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5624,1168314

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #85 - May 31, 2009, 12:10 AM



    A random obituary showing deaths on Nov 5-6th 1966 still does not show that any of those people died because they ate beef.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #86 - May 31, 2009, 12:14 AM

    Cow killing triggers new round of anti-Christian violence in India
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13195

    Even if it was true, what do you expect if you kill their God?  If you so much as say a one bad word against your prophet (never mind Allah), you should be prepared to find an scimitar slicing through your neck.

    Wake up Kope.

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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #87 - May 31, 2009, 12:19 AM

    Even if it was true, what do you expect if you kill their God?  If you so much as say a one bad word against your prophet (never mind Allah), you should be prepared to find an scimitar slicing through your neck.





    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #88 - May 31, 2009, 03:10 AM

    Gut Shabbes.

    So I take it you're not of the opinion that using the computer on Shabbat is not verboten. How Shomer Shabbos are ye?

    Hello, awais.
    It depends.  yes
    Long ago, the Maccabees were frequently being massacred on the Sabbath because they thought to defend themselves in battle would profane the Sabbath.  The rabbis and priests recognized that if the Jews allowed themselves to be killed, the Jewish faith and people and, more importantly, the Word of G-d to Man, would disappear from the earth.  They reasoned this could not be G-d's Will.
    The purpose of the Law is Life, and living ethically and righteously with your fellows. 
    Thus, as a physician, I will heal on the Sabbath.
    I will act to repair harm and prevent hurt.
    Judaism does not possess a thoughtless doctrine of incontrovertible rules to be obeyed blindly.  It is a reasoning faith whose primary purpose is tikkun olam (repair/perfection of the world) by acts of justice and lovingkindness.
    I had been negligent in failing to respond to Hassan's apology, and I had thereby invadvertantly caused him distress.  This was both unkind and unjust.  The Law requires this to be addressed without delay.
    I hope it cleared the misconception and hurt I caused Hassan.
    And it is appropriate for Shabbat shalom (Sabbath peace).  Smiley

    Respectfully,
    History

    "You shall love your fellow as yourself."--Vayikrah 19:18

    "Justice, justice shall you pursue"--Devarim 16:20
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #89 - May 31, 2009, 03:40 AM

    Hi, Baal.
    Thank you for your post
    I believe History is a bit mentally scarred. He is a jew moderator on an inslamic forum right? He is the One who put himself in an awkward position having to defend himself all the time.

    False assumption, false conclusion, I need say.
    My mental health is just peachy.
    I was asked to be a Moderator at www.islamicfactor.org, I surmise, for some of the qualities that I somehow possess that others find worthy.
    IF is an interesting Forum, in that it is Muslim-developed but interfaith, includes Jewish and Christian and Undecided Moderators as well as Muslim ones, and there is little need to "defend" one's faith--the focus os more on mutual sharing, understanding, and appreciation.  There are always some who arrive with preconceptions and misconceptions and bias, but far far less than other Forums I've frequented--including this one, btw.  Wink  [Lots and lots of anger and self-emphasis here, I suggest  bunny ].  No, the IF Forum is quite positive and enjoyable, I find--comparatively.
    Quote
    Perhaps he thought there was a shore for him to step back and take a rest, he is screwed, i think he is on his own. Maybe an orthodox jewish site would welcome him but, by now, he probably thinks the orthodox are dumb in general.

    Not at all.  On both counts.
    I visited here because Dodi/Spike PM'd me at the IF Forum that Hassan/Peace/Cosmicdancer was posting here.  I remembered him from our pleasant discussions on the Ummah.com Forum, and I wished to come say a polite "Hello.  I hope you are happy and well."
    I do not think "the orthodox are dumb."
    I do think it is not wise to make assumptions about others nor assume one knows what another thinks.
    Recall: "when one assumes, one makes an ass of u and me."  Wink
    This follows under the sin of lashon hara which, in Judaism, is likened to murder.
    In English, we use the term "character assasination."
    A good person should strive to refrain from this, as best he/she can.
    Just a suggestion. Smiley

    Respectfully,
    History

    "You shall love your fellow as yourself."--Vayikrah 19:18

    "Justice, justice shall you pursue"--Devarim 16:20
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