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  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #90 - June 04, 2009, 09:28 PM

    Yea well. I hate hindus and everyone that defends them thanks. 

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #91 - June 04, 2009, 09:39 PM

    Good luck with the counsillor.  I can see now why you hate your parents, and everything they stand for.  I hope that they can see you are a victim in need of help.

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  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #92 - June 04, 2009, 09:54 PM

    Yea well. I hate hindus and everyone that defends them thanks.  


    How superbly intelligent & thoughtful of you! Really impressive! Wink

    However, everyone who defends a Hindu, Hinduism or for that matter Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism or whichever other faith doesn't really need to be an adherent of that particular faith at all, all those people need is a passing familiarity with the faith in question! I don't need to be a practicing Zoroastrian to defend Zoroastrianism, all that I would need is to have more than a little knowledge of whatever Zoroastrians believe in & practice, as well as their culture to realize when someone's criticisms or statements sound widely off the mark, ill founded, suspicious or foolish.

    This basic familiarity with Hinduism & Indian culture is something which I, Calm & idolator happened to possess, while it was something that the rest of the members of this forum didn't possess, fortunately or unfortunately for you. Thus, all three of us had certain similar stuff to say to you, which those who weren't familiar couldn't or didn't. Then, as it happens, we get branded as all Hindus, clinging obviously & actually to our Hindu roots, which we deny!  Roll Eyes

    It was absolutely nothing of the sort-we expressed our opinions & rather similar opinions because we all happened to be familiar with what you were criticizing, & we were the only three people who were familiar!

    Has hating blinded your reading abilities to such an extent that you fail to read that a person who elaborately furnishes her Zoroastrian, Iranian roots isn't & never was obviously & actually a Hindu?  idiot2 That those who are familiar with what you speak about-which the 3 of us were, might oppose your baseless views without being bound to a culture?

    I have wasted at least 100+ words in a couple of posts to you explaining my faith, which you failed to notice when you lumped me into the category of another faith.

    In the post where you claim that I am obviously & actually a Hindu, you also go on to elaborate:

     
    Quote from: ex Hindu
    You can disbelieve what I say, even though I spent 5 years attending weekly Gujerati classes with a GCSE grade B, and were forced throughout my life to attend your pathetic Hindu weddings and festivals. People who find that boring crap interesting must have a serious lack of enjoyment or happiness in their lives in my opinion, and to be entirely honest, the people I have known that do enjoy Hindu culture are just failures at humanity.

    Enjoy worshipping your parents, touching their feet, and living your lives exactly as they tell you how to. Me? I will remain secular and distanced from your backward culture and any person who chooses to submit to following it.


    We all happen to have loads of enjoyment in our lives, we also know the meaning of simple words like "nastik" or would certainly attempt to find out the meaning of such words after five years of Gujarati classes & having a Gujarati mothertongue, or we would consult a dictionary(even if we got Grade C) & certainly learn how to use one! We won't mistake nastik for sinner & blasphemer for years & then expect to be taken seriously!  Wink

    It doesn't really take very high IQ's or magnificent successes at humanity to figure out the real meaning of nastik after 5 year Gujarati courses & a B Grade to realize that a Zoroastrian isn't sticking to her Hindu roots, or that bogus rants will immediately raise objections from the few who happen to be familiar with a particular culture!

    Of course, if someone thinks nastik is blasphemer or sinner, or lumps someone who has elaborately explained her Zoroastrian roots into the Hindu category & accuses her of obviously belonging to a faith to which she has never belonged-it does give ample scope for ridicule & mockery!  Tongue


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #93 - June 04, 2009, 10:26 PM

    Btw, did I tell you just how much I happen to enjoy reading your posts exHindu? Wink

    They started off like this when you first joined!

    Quote from: exHindu
    I can only imagine how much more difficult leaving Islam is, for me I just told my parents I didnt believe in their religion or anymore, and I got called some insults like Blashpemor and White (gora), but other then that they got over it fairly quickly.


    the word nastik, as it happens doesn't exactly mean blasphemer, but just plain atheist, but of course you couldn't figure that out after 5 years of Gujarati classes, & your proudly stated Grade B! Roll Eyes

    Of course, we were the Evil Three, secret, obviously Hindu disbelievers!  signmuahaha

    Anyway, the important thing in your first posts was the fact that your parents got over your apostasy supposedly with the greatest of ease, for which reason you even sympathized with the ex Muslims for whom life probably wasn't a bed of roses!

    Then you launched into a volley of baseless criticisms, leading the three of us, the only ones familiar with Hinduism & India to object, as a result of which we got lumped into the category of obvious Hindus.

    Then in reply to my comments, you had this to say:

    Quote from: Rashna
    As you yourself have mentioned, you faced no overt problems from your parents except a few words which you found unpleasant.


    Quote from: exHindu
    I think I leave out the part where I were often caned with rolling pins because I dont like people knowing about that. Oh yea, I were never allowed to leave the house all the way untill university, and even socialising with non Indians was a big no - no to my parents, never mind dating anyone :\


    Thus things go onto Intensity Level 2, from beginning with the unambiguous statement that you faced no significant  problems & your sympathies with ex Muslims, to your getting caned...

    I had mused that something worse might be the next step, & Hey Presto! as mine, idolator's & Calm's objections to your statements increased, your story did indeed take a turn in that direction, besides lumping us into the secret Hindu category... Grin

    Anyways, our statements were aimed at your baseless & ill founded early accusations-but its really interesting to follow your story, starting off with how you faced very little difficulties & even sympathizing with ex Muslims who must be having a far tougher time, moving onto graver difficulties you faced when the three of us objected to now... signmuahaha

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #94 - June 04, 2009, 10:31 PM

    Yes, you think he's lying, we get it, Rashna.  Now just give it a rest please.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #95 - June 04, 2009, 10:41 PM

    Cheetah, dont stop her mid-flow.  She got another 3 x A4 size posts left on this topic.

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  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #96 - June 04, 2009, 10:49 PM

    Rashna FTL.

    Ignore button FTW.  

    Go go invisible Rashna, keep posting shit =D

    Hindus suck balls. Cow balls that is.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #97 - June 04, 2009, 10:51 PM

    Yes, you think he's lying, we get it, Rashna.  Now just give it a rest please.


    Well, this is just my opinion, I don't know whether he's lying or not or for what reason-I don't know him personally, only online & I'm no professional counsellor-I do think that the changes in his story are strange. Its obvious when I follow his posts.

    He starts off by saying that he faced absolutely no problems except a few acerbic words from his parents who  got over it quickly, then as Calm, idolator & I had objected to some stuff he said, his story progressively changed.

    I can only guess his life from what he states in his posts & I see no reason why he should begin with expressing his sympathy with ex Muslims who probably had a tougher time & saying how cool his parents were, only for the story to change when we objected & then change again.

    Why couldn't he remain silent about his parents & not sympathise with ex Muslims? Why give a different story at all? Then the first stuff he said certainly aren't true at all.

    Quote from: exHindu
    I can only imagine how much more difficult leaving Islam is, for me I just told my parents I didnt believe in their religion or anymore, and I got called some insults like Blashpemor and White (gora), but other then that they got over it fairly quickly


    I have told the story of my mom's marriage with my dad many times in this forum, I didn't start off with a very different story which got progressively worse-I said my mom was Bohra Muslim, dad a Zoroastrian, mom's mom was an agnostic Muslimah who supported mom, mom's dad objected & asked my dad to convert to Islam, he refused although he wasn't very religious then & mom maintains good relations with most of her family, that her sister has married a more fanatic Muslim, that my first cousin Adil is something of a fanatic etc.

    Yes there is much I dislike about Islam & naturally in these months I have often debated Islam & my views of Islam with others on this forum, yet I never changed my mom's story.

    If I started off by saying the first story & even sympathised with other ex Muslimahs here who have less liberal parents than my mom, then as soon as I debated Islam, it progressively got worse where my granddad first caned my mom, attempted to throw her out & threatened to kill my dad etc, I wouldn't blame anyone who objected to my change of story.

    At worst, if I was embarrassed by such happenings, I would keep shut about my family & reveal the whole true story, if & when I spoke about it-rather than giving two radically different stories.

    I had got into plenty of debates about the injustice of Muslim women not being allowed to marry non Muslim men etc, yet my family's story remained unchanged.

    I really don't see any need to begin with a note of sympathy towards ex Muslims who supposedly had it much tougher & then going onto much bigger horrors as soon as some people object to some criticisms as baseless or ill founded...

    If at all he was unwilling to reveal much, he could've simply avoided these statements, nobody probed him about his family in his first few posts & then spoken out later if & when he wanted to.

    Anyway, these are just my personal opinions, which I am quite free to express-& I would absolutely understand if someone had expressed suspicion about my opinions had I begun with my mum & dad's regular story without being asked & moved onto a scenario where my dad was threatened by my grandpa & forced to convert & get circumcised to marry my mom.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #98 - June 04, 2009, 10:54 PM

    Rashna FTL.

    Ignore button FTW.  

    Go go invisible Rashna, keep posting shit =D
    Hindus suck balls. Cow balls that is.


    I rather like that exHindu!  dance

    The last time someone pressed the ignore button was a Muslim Holohoax denier, who kept denying the Holocaust & to add to that, refused to back up his statements with a debate. He pressed the ignore button for quite a few of us here, who wanted to debate, he & his friend have been quite inactive lately...

    exHindus post fanciful shit. Multiple facniful shit that is, which changes if & when people object & become more colorful.  grin12 I am a Zoroastrian shit detector btw. dance

    It needn't be only exHindus whom I'd suspect, had an ex Muslimah come here first sympathizing with Orthodox Jewish girls whoshe claimed have it tougher apostatizing & how cool her parents were & then her story got progressively worse if she faced any opposition, my reactions would've been exactly the same!  Wink

    And I certainly won't press the ignore button for you exHindu, I'm really extremely amused, :From these rather staid stuff before you ran into any objections:

    Quote
    I can only imagine how much more difficult leaving Islam is, for me I just told my parents I didnt believe in their religion or anymore, and I got called some insults like Blashpemor and White (gora), but other then that they got over it fairly quickly.


    to the increasingly violent happenings, I'm waiting with bated breath for your newer, juicier updates. 13

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #99 - June 05, 2009, 12:33 AM

    I told my dad today that he should have used a condom or had me aborted.

    He got well pissed, said 'how dare you talk about such a disgusting thing with your father' and 'if I knew you had turned out this way then I would have'.  

    That was really really epic.

    I support it because I want my own life taken back. Why couldnt I have been adopted :(.


    Well, yesterday now. Tomorrow will be fun looking for councillors and booking a GP appointment to get refered to a psychiatrist.

    My stupid grandparents had something like 10 kids and went wrong with them all.

    Three of them are dead now. Yay!!!

    Oh, I could say that to my dad and get murdered!  dance

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #100 - June 05, 2009, 12:42 AM

    Oh, I could say that to my dad and get murdered!  dance


    Cool!  clap

    From tolerant parents cool with your apostasy & sympathies with ex Muslims who probably have a tougher time, to canings to worse now, absolutely loving 001_wub this drama.

    Obviously if the first posts' statements re are truthful:

    Quote from: exHindu
    I can only imagine how much more difficult leaving Islam is, for me I just told my parents I didnt believe in their religion or anymore, and I got called some insults like Blashpemor and White (gora), but other then that they got over it fairly quickly.


    These seem far fetched & fanciful, while if these are the truth, those weren't & there wasn't any reason to lie given that no one had asked you about your family, but who cares??? Huh?

    As long as the drama is hot & keeps getting hotter! popcorn

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #101 - June 05, 2009, 01:00 AM

    They werent ever tolerant. They just got over it and left me alone. Muslim parents can be even worse you see, honor killing the kids because they wanted to pursue a music career can happen (this was documented as a case in Pakistan on the religion of peace website).

    At least Im still alive. I dont think I want to worsen the drama now, just try and get past it as soon as I can, and then see it as a minor incident several years laters. 

    Yea, I unignored you and liked your last post. It made me smile.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #102 - June 05, 2009, 05:20 AM

    Yea, I unignored you and liked your last post. It made me smile.

    Glad you liked my posts & that they made you  Smiley ExHindu! Your posts have a much better effect on me, they make me  Lmao!

    They start off like this without anyone inquiring about your family:
    I can only imagine how much more difficult leaving Islam is, for me I just told my parents I didnt believe in their religion or anymore, and I got called some insults like Blashpemor and White (gora), but other then that they got over it fairly quickly.


    And gradually, the tempo builds to this:

    Quote from: ExHindu
    when they read text messages on my phone from a gay chat room and threatened to kill the person sending the messages.


    Actually, you know, the Quran works on exactly the same principles which you employ, latter material in the Quran is violent, earlier is non violent & the way to resolve this contradiction is the principle of abrogation, whereby the latter Quranic verses cancel out any contradictory earlier ones!  dance

    Quote from: Quran Surah 2:16
    None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?


    Obviously two mutually contradictory statements can't both be truthful & one(or maybe even both) must've been fanciful, & the ExMuslims on this site as well as others generally get that about the Quran, although believers have found a way to overlook this.

    Maybe the same principle needs to be applied to your posts, whereby  Wink

    None of ExHindu's revelations does he abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but he substitutes something better or similar: Knowest thou not that ExHindu Hath power over all things? grin12

    I do think that your latter posts are better, though not similar, an improvement over the earlier tame ones!
    I just love spicy Indian food & writings, even if that makes me a failure at humanity. Tongue

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #103 - January 05, 2010, 09:24 PM

    I LOVE THIS THREAD.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi.
     Reply #104 - January 08, 2010, 10:02 PM

    Hello Ex-Hindu!!! Smiley Smiley Smiley

    and hi to all..sorry for not relpig to posts as i have had exams finmad

    i read some of your post just now.intresting..i'am guju to dance

    -i thank idoltar (sorry if i have spelled your name wrong) for explaing the krishna story that is interperated wrong by many  thnkyu

    so was it only the ganshesh story that lead you away fron hindusim.

    what about stories like krishna......Smiley
    Have you read the gita?

    jai shree krishna.
    Smiley...x....Anjali....x....Smiley
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