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 Topic: Life is a Test!

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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #120 - June 08, 2009, 11:10 PM

    But saying God exists and saying he is worthy of worship are two separate issues. God isn't worthy of worship because he exists. He may be worthy of worship, but not for that reason.


    worshiping mean to follow the commands or guidance of god to do good to human

    for example

    i go to job for my family i am worshiping god

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #121 - June 08, 2009, 11:12 PM

    why did god created millions of diffirent creature ?

    because god does what he like


    So god is by human standards a retarded child with ADHD?

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #122 - June 08, 2009, 11:20 PM

    So god is by human standards a retarded child with ADHD?

    why did you say that?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #123 - June 08, 2009, 11:36 PM

    why did god created millions of diffirent creature ?

    because god does what he like


    Yes, but as I said, that isn't answering the question. In effect, what you are saying is "Why do we need to ask God why he creates millions of different creatures? All we need to know is that he can do what he likes."

    Or maybe it is the definition of "why" that you are confused about...

    1. One definition of why is vritually identical to "how" which is perhaps the definition that you are assuming.
    For example: In answer to the question "Why do I move my arm when I pick up a cup of coffee?" you could answer "because I want it, or will it, to move and my arm does as I say" and we could even go into the science of it by explaining the various chemical reactions that go on in the brain when we will something to happen. Notice how we could substitute the word "why" in the question above with the word "how" and the question would be asking exactly the same thing and the same answer could be used to reply to it.

    2. The other definition of why doesn't have another word that could replace it, as far as I can think. This definition of why is the definition that numerous people on this thread have been using when they ask you why Allah creates a test for human beings. The definition of this why is concerned with asking about the ends or the goals or the aims of a particular act.
    For example: In answer to the question "Why do I move my arm when I pick up a cup of coffee?" you could answer "because I am thirsty and I am picking up the cup of coffee to drink it and quench my thirst".

    So what end, goal or aim is Allah trying to achieve by setting a test for us?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #124 - June 08, 2009, 11:39 PM

    worshiping mean to follow the commands or guidance of god to do good to human

    for example

    i go to job for my family i am worshiping god


    Yes, and why is God worthy of worship? When people have asked you whether God is a monster or not, what they are trying to do is get you to admit that God is a monster and then you will have no reason to worship God. After all, a monster cannot be worthy of worship.

    In response to these people, you have said that even if God is a monster, we can't deny that he exists and therefore we must obey and worship him. But just because God exists, that does not mean we have to worship him. God has to show that he is worthy of worship. So what makes God worthy of worship?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #125 - June 08, 2009, 11:53 PM

    Yes, and why is God worthy of worship? When people have asked you whether God is a monster or not, what they are trying to do is get you to admit that God is a monster and then you will have no reason to worship God. After all, a monster cannot be worthy of worship.

    In response to these people, you have said that even if God is a monster, we can't deny that he exists and therefore we must obey and worship him. But just because God exists, that does not mean we have to worship him. God has to show that he is worthy of worship. So what makes God worthy of worship?


    what is the meaning of worship to you?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #126 - June 09, 2009, 12:03 AM

    what is the meaning of worship to you?


    to obey reverently

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #127 - June 09, 2009, 12:38 AM

    to obey reverently

    obey what?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #128 - June 09, 2009, 01:00 PM

    KOPE;

    your holy god Allah has created man and women and given us free will to test our moral standards, to see if we believe in god and follow his message.

    Thats the only reason we are here, to pass gods test. God created us and gave us the tools of free will in order to choose our way of life and pass test and be rewarded when we die. According to Islam thats the only real point to every individual human beings life.

    Well, heres where Islam fails and is show to be a total load of bollocks.

    Many many many human beings are created by Allah every few hours who are mentally retarded, they have no way of ever understanding anything or passing any of gods fucking tests. So whats the point in their lives?

    According to Islam Allah created man with free will, these people have NOTING in their brains to be able to really do anything at all. What is gods reason for this?Huh???


    And please, before ansewring me with a question of your own, answer mine first.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #129 - June 09, 2009, 01:49 PM

    Glen its going to be the same answer to the question: "What if you're born in a place where you never have the opportunity to hear about Allah?"

    And the answer is "You'll go to paradise if you've been good."

    So in this case someone who is mentally challenged will automatically go to heaven, because they would not be responsible for any wrong deeds.

    And if that's the answer then maybe Allah should make us all mentally challenged.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #130 - June 09, 2009, 02:12 PM

    If thats the case, it makes Islam even more silly.

    So If that is like you say, why did allah create the idea of islam if all he wants is for people to do good? And what of the people who have heard of islam and still do good without belief? According to Quran unbelievers will suffer regardless - what makes them different really to the ones who dont believe because they havent heard of islam and do good?

    And why create people to live in agony and pain and confusion if they go to paradise anyway? whay dosent god just not bother creating them to suffer here and just allow them direct access to heaven?

    Its all lies.

  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #131 - June 09, 2009, 02:15 PM

    If thats the case, it makes Islam even more silly.

    So If that is like you say, why did allah create the idea of islam if all he wants is for people to do good? And what of the people who have heard of islam and still do good without belief? According to Quran unbelievers will suffer regardless - what makes them different really to the ones who dont believe because they havent heard of islam and do good?

    And why create people to live in agony and pain and confusion if they go to paradise anyway? whay dosent god just not bother creating them to suffer here and just allow them direct access to heaven?

    Its all lies.



    couldnt agree with you more

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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #132 - June 09, 2009, 02:52 PM

    Here's the whole concept of life is a test in a humorous nutshell...

    http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #133 - June 09, 2009, 03:12 PM

    Here's the whole concept of life is a test in a humorous nutshell...

    http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank

    Very good analogy - I have spent a lot of time arguing with John & Mark about Hank.  Sometimes I wish I could  leave John & Mark to it, there happy so why bother?  But I just cant  Huh?

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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #134 - June 09, 2009, 03:17 PM

    Here it is for distibution

    Quote


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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #135 - June 09, 2009, 06:13 PM

    Here's the whole concept of life is a test in a humorous nutshell...

    http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank


    Brilliant, Cheetah  Cheesy
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #136 - June 09, 2009, 11:43 PM

    KOPE;

    your holy god Allah has created man and women and given us free will to test our moral standards, to see if we believe in god and follow his message.

    Thats the only reason we are here, to pass gods test. God created us and gave us the tools of free will in order to choose our way of life and pass test and be rewarded when we die. According to Islam thats the only real point to every individual human beings life.

    Well, heres where Islam fails and is show to be a total load of bollocks.

    Many many many human beings are created by Allah every few hours who are mentally retarded, they have no way of ever understanding anything or passing any of gods fucking tests. So whats the point in their lives?

    According to Islam Allah created man with free will, these people have NOTING in their brains to be able to really do anything at all. What is gods reason for this?Huh???


    And please, before ansewring me with a question of your own, answer mine first.


    mentally retarded people and childrean go to heaven no question will be ask

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #137 - June 09, 2009, 11:47 PM

    If thats the case, it makes Islam even more silly.

    So If that is like you say, why did allah create the idea of islam if all he wants is for people to do good? And what of the people who have heard of islam and still do good without belief? According to Quran unbelievers will suffer regardless - what makes them different really to the ones who dont believe because they havent heard of islam and do good?

    And why create people to live in agony and pain and confusion if they go to paradise anyway? whay dosent god just not bother creating them to suffer here and just allow them direct access to heaven?

    Its all lies.





    all believer in god christians,muslims, jews, hindus, budhists, pagans go to heaven if they do good and even good atheists go to hell

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #138 - June 10, 2009, 09:36 AM

    obey what?


    the object of a person's worship

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #139 - June 10, 2009, 09:43 AM

    If thats the case, it makes Islam even more silly.

    So If that is like you say, why did allah create the idea of islam if all he wants is for people to do good? And what of the people who have heard of islam and still do good without belief? According to Quran unbelievers will suffer regardless - what makes them different really to the ones who dont believe because they havent heard of islam and do good?


    Well one of the things I found very unattractive about Islam towards the end of my faith was that there was no concept of morality in the way that we understand it. To them there is only obedience, and you have to decide strategically who your going to obey. There isn't anything essentially wrong with worshipping Satan; however, you will get Allah and the angels and everything that is in the heaven and the earth turn against you if you do. So your test isn't to do good to others, your test is to obey God as fully as you can, full stop.

    Quote
    And why create people to live in agony and pain and confusion if they go to paradise anyway? whay dosent god just not bother creating them to suffer here and just allow them direct access to heaven?

    Its all lies.




    I guess they gotta do something to earn heaven. In this case, suffer on Earth.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #140 - June 10, 2009, 09:53 AM

    the object of a person's worship



    do you mean idols ?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #141 - June 10, 2009, 10:07 AM


    do you mean idols ?


    You asked me what the word "worship" means, if I understand you right. You didn't ask me who I ought to worship, right?

    But in case your actually asking whether worship means obey idols, then not necessarily, no. The definition of worship does not include its object. So it is logically possible to worship an idol, God, or a frog. Now you may think that worshipping idols is wrong, but then what you are saying is that worshipping an idol is wrong; it doesn't mean that saying "worshipping idols" is logically incoherent.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #142 - June 10, 2009, 02:53 PM


    all believer in god christians,muslims, jews, hindus, budhists, pagans go to heaven if they do good and even good atheists go to hell

    What about if you are a good and you worship satan?  Do you go to heaven or hell?

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  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #143 - June 10, 2009, 04:56 PM

    Quote
    Quote from: kope on June 09, 2009, 06:47:27 PM

    all believer in god christians,muslims, jews, hindus, budhists, pagans go to heaven if they do good and even good atheists go to hell

    According to islam Kope, you are lying. Stop lying.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #144 - June 10, 2009, 11:24 PM

    You asked me what the word "worship" means, if I understand you right. You didn't ask me who I ought to worship, right?

    But in case your actually asking whether worship means obey idols, then not necessarily, no. The definition of worship does not include its object. So it is logically possible to worship an idol, God, or a frog. Now you may think that worshipping idols is wrong, but then what you are saying is that worshipping an idol is wrong; it doesn't mean that saying "worshipping idols" is logically incoherent.


    my diffinition of  worshiping god is obeying god what he asked to do and god ask us to do good and aviod bad by our choice

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #145 - June 11, 2009, 01:13 AM

    my diffinition of  worshiping god is obeying god what he asked to do and god ask us to do good and aviod bad by our choice


    Let's just do a quick recap of this little discussion we've been having.

    I said this:
    Quote
    Yes, and why is God worthy of worship? When people have asked you whether God is a monster or not, what they are trying to do is get you to admit that God is a monster and then you will have no reason to worship God. After all, a monster cannot be worthy of worship.

    In response to these people, you have said that even if God is a monster, we can't deny that he exists and therefore we must obey and worship him. But just because God exists, that does not mean we have to worship him. God has to show that he is worthy of worship. So what makes God worthy of worship?


    This is basically asking you why you think God is worthy of worship.

    So you reply by asking me what the definition of worship is.

    I didn't know how it was immediately relevant to the question I asked but I thought maybe you would try and make a point later on, so I answered your question and gave you a definition of worship as "obeying reverently."

    You then asked me, "obey who?" Which confused me, and I hope you can see why. If you can't then let me explain why. If I asked you the definition of "hug" and you said, "to wrap your arms around somebody tightly" and I said "but hug who?" you would be confused, right? Please tell me if you understand.

    So I explained to you that the definition of "worship" does not include its object, and now you have replied by introducing a new line of discussion of what you think the definition of "worshipping God" is. Back to the hugging example. If you told me that the definition of "hug" was to wrap your arms tightly around somebody, and I told you "well I think the definition of hugging your mother is to wrap your arms tightly around your mother" you would be seriously confused right? You might even slap yourself across your own face to see if there was a misfiring of neurones in your brain, perhaps?

    But to top it all off, your ultimate answer to why God is worthy of worship is to be found in the definition of worshipping God?

    Please, tell me how it is all relevant!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #146 - June 11, 2009, 09:00 AM

    you understand my definition of worshiping god is ?



    stop, lets move to next topic

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #147 - June 11, 2009, 09:10 AM

    you understand my definition of worshiping god is ?



    stop, lets move to next topic



    You can always go back a page or two and answer the questions I posted to you about the quran

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #148 - June 11, 2009, 02:20 PM


    all believer in god christians,muslims, jews, hindus, budhists, pagans go to heaven if they do good and even good atheists go to hell


    No kope,your a lier.

    Either that, or you need to re read the Quran.

    It says that Jews and Christians BEFORE the time of muhammed will go to heaven, but those who reject islam after the quran was revealed will not go to heaven.

    It says the Pagans and unbelievers will go to hell amny times too.

    Which verse in the Quran says mentally retarded people go to heaven no questions asked?
  • Re: Life is a Test!
     Reply #149 - June 11, 2009, 09:04 PM

    No kope,your a lier.

    Either that, or you need to re read the Quran.

    It says that Jews and Christians BEFORE the time of muhammed will go to heaven, but those who reject islam after the quran was revealed will not go to heaven.



    nowhere in the quran that says Jews and Christians BEFORE the time of muhammed will go to heaven

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
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