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  • Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     OP - June 11, 2009, 12:35 PM

    I found this excerpt at Ummah.com, its from a book about the supposedly ideal Muslim woman according to the Quran & hadiths, they speak of this woman Umm Sulaym as the ideal.

    The IDEAL MUSLIMAH
    The True Islamic Personality of the Muslim Woman
    as Defined in the Qur'an and Sunnah
    By Dr. Muhammad ?Ali Al-Hashimi
    Translated by Nasiruddin Al-Khattab and Revised by Ibrahim
    M. Kunna and Abu Aya Sulaiman Abdus-Sabur
    T

    he Ideal Muslimah: the true Islamic personality of the Muslim woman as defined in the Qur'an and Sunnah
    The Ideal Muslimah is proud of the great position that Islam has given her among humanity. She performs her duties knowing that her role is clearly defined and that her rights are still, even today, greater than any other ideology has provided. She is a woman of moral excellence, true to her nature, not confused by alien and morally bankrupt ideas. She preserves her self-respect and dignity through her piety in obedience to Allah (swt) and His Messenger (saw). She is the role model that every true believer hopes to emulate.

    CHAPTER 4: THE MUSLIM WOMAN AND HER HUSBAND

    She endears herself to her husband and is keen to please him

    The true Muslim woman is always keen to win her husband's love and to please him. Nothing should spoil his happiness or enjoyment of life. So she speaks kind words to him, and refrains from saying anything hurtful or upsetting. She brings him good news, but she keeps bad news from him as much as she can, or postpones telling it until a more suitable time when it will not upset him so much. If she finds that she has no alternative but to tell him upsetting news, she looks for the most suitable way to convey it, so that the blow will not be so hard on him. This is the wise approach and good conduct of the clever woman, but it is very difficult to attain and only a very few virtuous women ever do so.

    One of those who did reach this high level was the great Muslim woman Umm Sulaym bint Milhan, the wife of Abu Talhah al-Ansari. Her son passed away whilst Abu Talhah was travelling, and her attitude was so unique that if Imam Muslim had not reported this story we would have taken it to be a mere myth.
    Let us hear her son Anas ibn Malik tell the story of his remarkable mother and her unattitude:
    "A son of Abu Talhah by Umm Sulaym died. Umm Sulaym told her family, `Do not tell Abu Talhah about his son until I tell him about it.' Abu Talhah came home, so she prepared dinner for him, and he ate and drank. Then she beautified herself in a way that she had never done before, and he had sexual intercourse with her. When she saw that he was satisfied, she said,
    `O Abu Talhah, do you think that if a people lent something to a household, then asked for it back, do they have the right not to return it?' He said, `No.' She said, `Then resign yourself to the death of your son.' Abu Talhah became angry and said, `You let me indulge myself and then you tell me about my son!' He went to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) and told him what had happened. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, `May Allah bless both of you for this night!'
    Umm Sulaym became pregnant. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) went on a journey, and she accompanied him. Whenever the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) came back from a journey, he never entered Madinah at night. When they (the travelling-party) approached Madinah, her labour-pains started. Abu Talhah stayed with her, and the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) went on ahead to Madinah. Abu Talhah said, `O Lord, You know how I love to go out with Your Messenger when he goes out, and to come back with him when he comes back, and I have been detained, as You see.' Umm Sulaym said, `O Abu Talhah, I do not feel as much pain as I did before, so let us go on.' When they reached (Madinah), her labour-pains started again, and she gave birth to a boy. My mother said to me, `O Anas, nobody should feed him until you take him to the Messenger of Allah in the morning.' So when morning came, I took the baby to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH), and when I met him he was carrying an iron tool. When he saw me, he said, `I hope that Umm Sulaym has given birth.' I said, `Yes.' So he put down the tool and I brought the child to him and placed him in his lap. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) called for some of the dates of Madinah. He chewed it until it became soft, then he put it in the baby's mouth and the baby began to smack his lips. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: `See how much the Ansar love dates!' Then he wiped the baby's face and named him `Abdullah."*

    How great was Umm Sulaym's faith, and how magnificent her patience and virtue! How bravely she hid her pain from her husband and endeared herself to him. She managed to conceal her grief at the loss of her beloved son and spent that time with her husband patiently hoping that by being a good wife to her husband she might earn the pleasure of Allah (SWT).

    *Sahih Muslim, 16/11, Kitab fada'il al-Sahabah, bab fada'il Umm Sulaym.

    Their son died, she cooked for him & they had sex, then she told him, but why?  Huh?
    What good would concealing her grief to this extent do? Rather, they could've shared the grief, cried together  sad, that would've lessened their sorrows. And whatever love she felt for her husband, does she not love her departed son? Do his parents have to have sex before they cry over his death? This is slightly disrespectful of the child's death, sex should've been postponed.

    Anyway, the man wasn't particularly happy with the way he'd been told the news, which is why he rebuked his wife with-"You let me indulge myself and then you tell me about my son!" I would've said the same  thing if my (hypothetical) husband had revealed news to me in this way.

    The man wasn't old & sick anyway  Old geezer that he'd get a heart attack on hearing this news, so why not reveal it to him without all this fuss?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #1 - June 11, 2009, 12:48 PM

    What a sick woman! As if muslims are promoting that lifestyle! If someone died the last thing on your mind should be bloody sex! If anyone ever did that to me I would never forgive them!
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #2 - June 11, 2009, 12:57 PM

    What a sick woman! As if muslims are promoting that lifestyle! If someone died the last thing on your mind should be bloody sex! If anyone ever did that to me I would never forgive them!


    Precisely, what moral does this story try to convey? Why has she been given this position of importance in this book as an ideal Muslimah?

    I know Islam(& most religions) say women should obey their husbands type of shyte, but this isn't even about obedience! This is about giving bad news in a good way. I understand that one should always be tactful while giving bad news, but Umm Sulaym bint Milhan beautified herself in a way that she had never done before, and he(her husband) had sexual intercourse with her. When she saw that he was satisfied she told him!

    She didn't even succeed in giving him the news in a tactful way, she only upset him more! Thats' why her husband became angry with her and said, `You let me indulge myself and then you tell me about my son!'

    I guess this is one situation where I'd forgive her husband for hitting her!  Tongue I would hit anyone who did this to me! finmad

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #3 - June 11, 2009, 01:09 PM

    Where is that thread anyway? I cant find it
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah & other Ideal Muslimahs!
     Reply #4 - June 11, 2009, 01:10 PM

    The excerpt continues with tales of other such ideal Muslimahs:


    Another example of the ways in which a wife may endear herself to her husband is the way in which `A'ishah (May Allah be pleased with her) spoke to the Prophet (PBUH) when he came back to his wives after he had kept away from them for a month. He had said, "I will not go in to them for a month," because he was so angry with them. When twenty-nine days had passed, he came to `A'ishah first. `A'ishah said to him, `You swore to stay away from us for a month, and only twenty-nine days have passed; I have been counting them." The Prophet (PBUH) said, "This month has twenty-nine days." That particular month had only twenty-nine days.47


    `A'ishah's telling the Prophet (PBUH) that she had counted twenty-nine days was a clear indication of her love towards her husband and of how she had waited, day by day, hour by hour, for him to come back to her. It shows how she loved and missed her husband. This approach made her even dearer to him, so when he came back to his wives, he started with her.

    The sincere Muslim woman recognizes her husband's likes and habits, and tries to accommodate them as much as she can, in the interests of mutual understanding and marital harmony, and to protect the marriage from the boredom of routine. This is what every wise and intelligent wife does. It was narrated that the qadi and faqih Shurayh married a woman from Banu Hanzalah. On their wedding night, each of them prayed two rak`ahs and asked Allah (SWT) to bless them. Then the bride turned to Shurayh and said, "I am a stranger, and I do not not know much about you. Tell me what you like, and I will do it, and tell me what you do not like so I may avoid it." Shurayh said, "She stayed with me for twenty years, and I never had to tell her off for anything, except on one occasion, and I was in the wrong then."
    This is the respectful and loving wife as Islam wants her to be, responsible for her home and loyal to her husband, and always careful to maintain a good relationship between them. If anything happens to upset their marriage, she hastens to calm the situation with her sincere love and wise understanding. She does not listen to the whispering of the Shaytan which calls her to do wrong, and she never hastens to ask her husband for a divorce. The marriage bond should be too strong to be undone by temporary arguments or occasional misunderstandings. The Prophet (PBUH) warned those foolish women who ask their husbands for a divorce with no legitimate reason that they would be denied even the scent of Paradise:

    "Any woman who asks her husband for a divorce with no good reason will be deprived of even smelling the scent of Paradise."48

    47. From a lengthy hadith narrated by Bukhari and Muslim. See Fath al-Bari, 5/116, Kitab al-mazalim, bab al-ghurfah wa'l-'aliyyah al-mushrifah; Sahih Muslim, 7/195, Kitab al-siyam, bab bayan an al-shahr yakun tis'an wa 'ishrin.
    48. A hasan sahih hadith, reported by Tirmidhi, 2/329, abwab al-talaq, 11; Ibn Hibban, 9/490, Kitab al-nikah, bab ma'ashirah al-zawjayn.


    Muhammad was angry due to that infamous Maria incident I guess & he started with Ayesha coz she counted the days? She was always his favorite, Sawda gave her nights to her!  Tongue

    Then of course Mo says that a woman can't divorce without good reason, while a man can easily get rid of his wife through an easy divorce!  finmad

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #5 - June 11, 2009, 01:17 PM

    Where is that thread anyway? I cant find it


    Here:

    http://ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=169763

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #6 - June 11, 2009, 01:20 PM

    Thanks!
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #7 - June 11, 2009, 01:22 PM

    What a pathetic way of giving news !!
    And how can a mother think of beautifying herself and having sex when she just lost a child
    finmad
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #8 - June 11, 2009, 01:23 PM

    Thanks!


    You're welcome!  Smiley

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #9 - June 11, 2009, 01:42 PM

    The words "Ideal Muslimah" and "Proper Islamic personality" always make me cringe!  How can one let a religion dictate what type of personality they have?!  Your personality is unique to you and everyone has their own personality.  I guess this is just another way for the beardos to try and transform the ummah into a robotic clone jihadi army!  finmad

    Basically to be the 'ideal Muslimah' means to be the sacrificial lamb for one's husband, sons, etc.

    Are men so fragile and weak that we must spread our legs for them before delivering any bad news?

    Pathetic...  mysmilie_977

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #10 - June 11, 2009, 05:52 PM

    I never liked the idea of women just pleasing their husbands, it clearly shows that men are seen as superior to women in Islam. What frustrates me even more is that I was talking to a muslim woman in my University about Surah 4:34 and tried to explain it to me in the best way. She said the verse "liberates and protects" women!!! finmad

    I have seen Muslim men trying to defend or deny this verse as well, but nothing makes me more mad than when a Muslim WOMAN defends this pathetic verse. I seriously do not know how any sane woman can defend Surah 4:34, I really don't.
     





    Yep_True.


    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #11 - June 11, 2009, 06:01 PM

    Quote
    My mother said to me, `O Anas, nobody should feed him until you take him to the Messenger of Allah in the morning.' So when morning came, I took the baby to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH), and when I met him he was carrying an iron tool. When he saw me, he said, `I hope that Umm Sulaym has given birth.' I said, `Yes.' So he put down the tool and I brought the child to him and placed him in his lap. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) called for some of the dates of Madinah. He chewed it until it became soft, then he put it in the baby's mouth and the baby began to smack his lips. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: `See how much the Ansar love dates!'



    As Muslims are supposed to followed the example of the prophet, shouldn't Muslims be feeding their newborn infants chewed up dates for their first meals?

    BvomitB

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #12 - June 11, 2009, 06:02 PM

    As Muslims are supposed to followed the example of the prophet, shouldn't Muslims be feeding their newborn infants chewed up dates for their first meals?

    BvomitB


    WHAT!?  Huh?

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #13 - June 11, 2009, 07:41 PM

    I found the answer, and the answer is yes.
    Except the mother does not have to chew the date to soften it. The Prophet chewed the date in the hadith because his saliva contains blessings.

    "It is not essential to chew the date before the tahneek, rather it may be softened in any way - since chewing the date before rubbing it in the baby?s mouth as occurs in the Hadith was something particular to the Messenger (SAW) i.e. due to the blessing placed in his (SAW) saliva. Therefore, it is sufficient to soften the date without chewing it, and then to rub it upon the child?s palate."

     And of course it is a miracle as well

    "2. It is, furthermore, a Prophetic miracle and protects the child from a danger which has only recently become apparent to the medical profession. This is that newborn babies may die if their blood sugar level is too low, and after the birth the baby?s nutrition from its mother is cut off, so his body turns to whatever he has stored up whilst he was in his mother?s womb - until his mother is able to breast feed him/her. It is at this time that the child?s organs are most active, so whatever stores it has may quickly be exhausted causing the blood sugar level to drop and resulting in danger. We, therefore, find that rubbing the child?s palate with a crushed date - which contains a large percentage of sugar - provides him/her with sugar which can pass into his system quickly and will be a protection for him/her from that deficiency should it occur. So how far above and free from any deficiency is Allah (SWT), the Most Wise?"

     http://www.themuslimwoman.com/offspring/tahneek.htm

    BsheikhB


    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #14 - June 12, 2009, 02:32 AM

    I found the answer, and the answer is yes.
    Except the mother does not have to chew the date to soften it. The Prophet chewed the date in the hadith because his saliva contains blessings.

    "It is not essential to chew the date before the tahneek, rather it may be softened in any way - since chewing the date before rubbing it in the baby?s mouth as occurs in the Hadith was something particular to the Messenger (SAW) i.e. due to the blessing placed in his (SAW) saliva."


    Muhammad does this at least at another time-his daughter Fatima's wedding.

    The Prophet then asked for a jug of water; he sipped a small amount of the water and after gargling with it, placed it back in the jug. He then called for Fatima (A) and sprayed her head and shoulders with that water and did the same thing to Ali (A).

    Interesting that Muslims often claim that their faith gave Muhammad no position above a mere mortal, his saliva is so holy that he sprays his gargled water on people at their weddings & chews food before placing it in a baby's mouth!

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #15 - June 12, 2009, 07:28 AM

    What a sick woman! As if muslims are promoting that lifestyle! If someone died the last thing on your mind should be bloody sex! If anyone ever did that to me I would never forgive them!


    Not for nothing, but there are a lot of people who do  have sex with their spouse or significant other upon the death of a close relative.  As a cliche, you could say it is a need to engage oneself fully in life, to remind oneself that you are still on this earth.  That's the cliche, I don't know if there is a more scientific reason why some people do this.  

    I wouldn't presume to judge how someone chooses to handle grief, even if they are a Muslim.  Which is what the OP seems to be about.  Lots of people do lots of crazy shit when they lose a loved one.  I don't know what I would do if one of my children were to pass away.  I don't know what Um Whatever's husband was like when he came home from a  long day of doing whatever the hell he was doing.  I would think that woman knew her husband and the best way to tell him rather than any of us who are judging some ancient lady based on what is essentially hearsay.  I'm sure it's totally captured word for word and detail for detail everything as it happened with no embellishments or editing at all.   whistling2

    ETA: significant other, because I was speaking generally and not about Muslims.

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  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #16 - June 12, 2009, 09:08 AM

    I don't know what Um Whatever's husband was like when he came home from a  long day of doing whatever the hell he was doing.  I would think that woman knew her husband and the best way to tell him rather than any of us who are judging some ancient lady based on what is essentially hearsay



    Well, from this story, if it happened at all, it seems that the woman's husband was enraged with her rather than happier to hear the news in this way. He said, " You let me indulge myself and then you tell me about my son!' so her way of giving the bad news seems to have backfired.



    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Umm Sulaym bint Milhan-The Ideal Muslimah!
     Reply #17 - June 13, 2009, 01:44 AM

    Muhammad does this at least at another time-his daughter Fatima's wedding.

    The Prophet then asked for a jug of water; he sipped a small amount of the water and after gargling with it, placed it back in the jug. He then called for Fatima (A) and sprayed her head and shoulders with that water and did the same thing to Ali (A).

    Interesting that Muslims often claim that their faith gave Muhammad no position above a mere mortal, his saliva is so holy that he sprays his gargled water on people at their weddings & chews food before placing it in a baby's mouth!



    Eeeuw!  That's gross!
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