The sad inevitable fate of the human race

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #30 - June 13, 2009, 10:19 AM

Splitting sensitive topics along the lines of race leaves a bad taste in many people's mouths. Eugenics has become so heavily associated with racism and such like that any attempt to explore this area is looked at with suspicion. Physicist William Shockley 'postulated that the higher reproduction rate of those with lower intelligence was having a dysgenic effect on society and proposed that individuals with IQs below 100 be paid to undergo voluntary sterilization'. The same scientific argument can be presented for preventing those with disabilities to reproduce. This is reflected in women being allowed to abort featuses if they are found to have a disability the parent/s do not want in a child. Distasteful as it may sound, this line of reasoning up to this point sounds plausible. If one is found to have a deficit in hereditary factors like IQ and ability then the logical step would be to prevent these traits from being passed on to future generations. This technique can then be used to better humanity.

I'm not personally a supporter of eugenics and I acknowledge that some of the studies collerating IQ with race have had their fair share of criticism on metholodological ground, but the nature/nurture debate isn't going to end any time soon.

In response to the initial question, I think, a curve will emerge (as proposed by Johnmuslim).
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Reply #31 - June 13, 2009, 10:21 AM

I think evolution demands people to be cleverer!!

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"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase which is shorthand for a concept relating to competition for survival or predominance. Originally applied by Herbert Spencer in his Principles of Biology of 1864, Spencer drew parallels to his ideas of economics with Charles Darwin's theory of evolution by what Darwin termed natural selection.

If you see wild life documentaries you see that to survive you have to learn the danger around you and start producing means to combat those dangers around you. I think even in the animal and insect world being clever helps in the survival process. Hence, people who stay stupid will find it hard to compete and eventually start fading!!

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Reply #32 - June 13, 2009, 10:40 AM

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That is not Ferrero's claim. The study I just linked you to indicated that although other factors bar genetics influence one's IQ, there is a strong indication that nature persists.

Where is the evidence for that strong indication, Ferrero? You linked me to a non-peer reviewed study by a member of the Eugenics Society, who Berbs has already shown to have used faulty methodology. If there's such a strong indication, there must be a peer reviewed paper by a respectable scientist somewhere, yes?

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Reply #33 - June 13, 2009, 10:49 AM

In theory we as a species should become 'smarter'

But its largley down to what we call or define 'smart' at the time.

Many of us may be smart enough nowadays to download porn, do algebra and hardwire our flattop!

But many young wizz kids today wouldnt have a clue how to put up a shelf, grow their own food, wire a plug even! lol

I think it all comes down to equal opportunity for all, until people are given a real chance to develop and not dependent on which 'rich' family they are born into or which country.

We live in a world dominated by exploitation, the capital economy is one big exploitation, and religion was created by the rich back in the day, who needed to control the poor. Hence, religion was the only thing enable the capitalist economy in the west to happen like it has, do you all know that Capitalism was a creation of Protestant Christianity??
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Reply #34 - June 13, 2009, 10:51 AM

Quote from: Cheetah on June 13, 2009, 10:40 AM
Where is the evidence for that strong indication, Ferrero? You linked me to a non-peer reviewed study by a member of the Eugenics Society, who Berbs has already shown to have used faulty methodology. If there's such a strong indication, there must be a peer reviewed paper by a respectable scientist somewhere, yes?

Revisit the link I posted- the Texas Adoption Study.
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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #35 - June 13, 2009, 10:57 AM

Quote from: Glen on June 13, 2009, 10:49 AM
In theory we as a species should become 'smarter'

But its largley down to what we call or define 'smart' at the time.

Many of us may be smart enough nowadays to download porn, do algebra and hardwire our flattop!

But many young wizz kids today wouldnt have a clue how to put up a shelf, grow their own food, wire a plug even! lol

I think it all comes down to equal opportunity for all, until people are given a real chance to develop and not dependent on which 'rich' family they are born into or which country.

I'm not sure how true this is. It's true that I do know how to do all of those things, if I don't I improvise and follow my hunch and I usually get it right. But the thing is this knowledge wasn't the standard given out in my generation either, my sisters of that time period and many of my friends also wouldn't have had a clue how to do those things.

So I look at the fact that the kids these days also lack that knowledge and I can't see how it's a standard, there are surely many kids you don't know, haven't heard about, never came into contact with, that do actually know how to do these things.

Humans are nothing if not ingenious at coming up with new on the spot ways of surviving, it's why we are still here.

Don' assume that the kid you see on a pc or game system all day, doesn't actually know how to put up a shelf, or light a fire, because many times they will, if not total knowledge they would have enough of a basic outline to go with.

No one taught me how to change a plug or put up a shelf, or install wiring for new lights, I just watched it done in a movie or a programme, or even in a game, and from there I mish mashed my way to knowing how to do it.

I think if you dumped in the wild I would survive, build a house, kit it out with soft stuff, set a fire, trap animals and make do.

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #36 - June 13, 2009, 11:03 AM

Yeh i was just joking around!

Half of the stuff we have learned has helped us, but when it comes down to survival intelligence or 'bare' intelligence we would soon figure it out....

....and if you cant figure out how to grow food or trap animals....you can do what some of the first British settlers in Australia did...eat eachother!!!! lol! true that!
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Reply #37 - June 13, 2009, 11:07 AM

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We live in a world dominated by exploitation, the capital economy is one big exploitation, and religion was created by the rich back in the day, who needed to control the poor. Hence, religion was the only thing enable the capitalist economy in the west to happen like it has, do you all know that Capitalism was a creation of Protestant Christianity??

Uh? "Religion" was not created by "the rich" to control "the poor." Different religions hail from very different cultural backgrounds. If anything, religions have practices like alms-giving and brethren solidarity, aimed at alleviating the condition of the poor. Even Islam, an otherwise repugnant religion, has such elements. Christianity reviles wealth.

Capitalism was not created by Protestant Christianity. Capitalism is often associated with Protestant work ethics, but that was just a transitory phase. Capitalism is the natural product of laissez-faire politics.

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #38 - June 13, 2009, 11:08 AM

By the way soldiers, here's more indication of what i was discussing yesterday.

According to the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) third assessment results, the sea level will rise between 110mm and 770mm by 2100. The mean of these figures is 440mm

This is what the earth looks like in best case scenario by 2100 (according to the Zoneo sea-level calculation map):

http://merkel.zoneo.net/Topo/Applet/appletTopo.php?lang=en&file=mondeB

110mm (best case scenario):

Notice how a lot of the world's highly dense areas such as the US East coast and central South America and the Northern European coastlines and the Indian and Australian coastlines have vanished. Where will these people go?

Ok,

now for some worst news

the mean results 440mm (high probability situation):

"Honey, I shrunk the world!" 50% is now submerged, and I would say submerged pretty deep, what are we going to do? Build a giant escalator to Mars? Well, I hope so, with global population being about 7.5 billion at best during this time we need to relocate at least half the world somewhere else. I hope technology is 100 times better then than it is now because that's what we need

Ok, now, for the closing punch

Worst case scenario yet still highly probable 770mm:

"We'd now like to say a few words on behalf of those continents who have left us in the past year: Africa, Asia, Australasia, Europe, Oceania, North America and South America, may you all rest in peace"

Ok, well

2100 is going to be a fun year for mankind! If there's about a few million of us left, we can maybe pull through and live on these very remote island remnents, but, do you really think there will be only a few million?

I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #39 - June 13, 2009, 11:11 AM

I've got bad news for you: most of Australia is more than 770mm above current sea level. That map is bullshit.

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #40 - June 13, 2009, 11:13 AM

Don't be so negative by then we would have starships, and captain kirk himself to lead us to the promised land.

No seriously, I am very optimistic about space travel in the future as a means to relocate.

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #41 - June 13, 2009, 11:14 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on June 13, 2009, 11:11 AM
I've got bad news for you: most of Australia is more than 770mm above current sea level. That map is bullshit.

Tell that to the university of Lille's geography department

Anyway, it isn't 770mm

its an INCREASE of 770mm, meaning it might be 1km or more then

It doesnt mean the world will all equally be 770mm under water, it means if the sea levels rise 770mm, this is what the world will look like

By the way the projected figures are from the IPCC.

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Reply #42 - June 13, 2009, 11:19 AM

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its an INCREASE of 770mm, meaning it might be 1km or more then

John,

The map you provide measures units in metres, whereas the IPCC results are in milimetres. 770 mm is less than 1 metre. Your maps are wrong.

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #43 - June 13, 2009, 11:21 AM

Yes I understand what it means. It means the projected sea level is 770mm higher than the current sea level. That is not a kilometre or anything like a kilometre. Of course it doesn't meant the whole world will be equally underwater. That is impossible unless the world is a perfect sphere with no lumps and bumps, which it obviously isn't. There is no way that the Marianas Trench and Mount Everest are ever going to be covered by the same depth of water.

My point is that since the vast majority of Australia is well over 770mm above current sea level then a rise of 770mm cannot flood most of the country. Can't be done, mate. I know it's higher than that because I live here and have seen where the high tides come to.

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Re: The sad inevitable fate of the human race
Reply #44 - June 13, 2009, 11:23 AM

Quote from: Zaephon on June 13, 2009, 11:19 AM
John,

The map you provide measures units in metres, whereas the IPCC results are in milimetres. 770 mm is less than 1 metre. Your maps are wrong.

Oh well spotted. So the map is for a sea level rise of 770 metres? No wonder most of the world is underwater in that map.

770 metres is not what the IPCC is predicting. Far from it. John, I sugest you study up on the metric system of measurement.

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