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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #240 - October 11, 2009, 06:46 PM

    This a new "scientific miracle" of the Ka'ba - that I have not seen before (saw it posted on ummah) - not even sure wtf it's on about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSECWeVoKc


    You've got to be kidding?Huh?
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #241 - October 11, 2009, 09:46 PM

    This a new "scientific miracle" of the Ka'ba - that I have not seen before (saw it posted on ummah) - not even sure wtf it's on about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSECWeVoKc


    Switched off after a couple of minutes!

    Looks like a trailer for the Islamic version of The Da Vinci Code!

    Hilariously portentous and stupid!


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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #242 - October 11, 2009, 10:14 PM

    This a new "scientific miracle" of the Ka'ba - that I have not seen before (saw it posted on ummah) - not even sure wtf it's on about?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSECWeVoKc

    Oh that silly thing. It was posted a couple of months back and I tore it to pieces then. I'll see if I can dig up the posts.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #243 - October 11, 2009, 10:20 PM

    Found it. http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5944.0

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #244 - October 12, 2009, 12:51 PM

    Thanks for that OZ... Maths is not my subject, though it is pretty obvious that the vid is utter bullshit.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #245 - October 12, 2009, 03:55 PM


    I just did a simple calculation to what he says on 7:00 of the video about the number of letters in the verse 96 of Surat Al-Omaran.

    Total Bullshit: here it is, you can count even though you may not understand the Arabic letters but you can count as I separated them with dots.

    Remember, he said the total number of letters in the whole verse is 47, they are 42. He said the letters before Mecca are 29, they are in fact only 20.

    So who is he actually kidding?

    إِ.نَّ.أَ.وّ.لَ.بَ.يْ.تٍ.وُ.ضِ.عَ.ل.ل.نّ.ا.سِ.ل.ل.ذِ.ي.
    بِ.بَ.كّ.ةَ.
    مُ.بَ.ا.رَ.كً.ا.وَ.هُ.دً.ى.لِ.لْ.عَ.ا.لَ.مِ.ي.ن


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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #246 - October 25, 2009, 04:05 AM

    I'm glad I went looking through the threads before making a new topic about this! I have a question of sorts that perhaps some of you could help me with. On Facebook, I've been conversing with an Egyptian Muslim man. (I'm an atheist, by the way.) He likes to tout these supposed "scientific miracles of the Qur'an" often. I haven't gone through all 16 pages of this thread to see if it's been talked about, but either way, here is his latest message:

    //"53.42": And that to your Lord is the goal-

    "53.43": And that He it is Who makes (men) laugh and makes (them) weep;

    "53.44": And that He it is Who causes death and gives life-

    "53.45": And that He created pairs, the male and the female

    "53.46": From the small seed when it is adapted

    "53.47": And that on Him is the bringing forth a second time
    these are verses from achapter called the "The Star" or al nagm in arabic stating the scientific fact that the male is responsible of the gender of the baby and not the woman as was thought in these ages as people used to kill thier babies if they had a girl they used to bury it alive....these is a fact discovered recently by science,in verse 53:45. //

    I...am not seeing where it says that men are responsible for the gender of a baby. Am I missing something, or is he making things up?

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #247 - October 25, 2009, 04:15 AM

    I thought I read that the latest discoveries (over the last year or so) show that women are just as, if not completely, responsible for the sex of the baby (the female embryo is in effect more selective that we earlier thought)  Huh?

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #248 - October 25, 2009, 04:18 AM

    Hmm...interesting, if you're right. I'll have to look into that.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #249 - October 25, 2009, 04:21 AM

    Well if you can prove this, you needn't bother disproving his argument - he'll be digging his own grave

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #250 - October 25, 2009, 04:37 AM

    Hmm...I've found a few links claiming that what a woman eats when she's pregnant can help determine the baby's gender, but nothing more substantial. I'll keep digging.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #251 - October 25, 2009, 05:08 AM

    I've heard that when women are under a lot of stress the child tends to be female.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #252 - October 25, 2009, 06:42 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwG4JwzYqxk

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #253 - October 25, 2009, 01:49 PM

    My internet connection is horrendous and highly selective in this African hell hole, i have been exiled to till the end of next month. Can someone plz post the list of translations (english or french) for surat 53 that Lauren posted and preferably the arabic as well.

    Need to confirm couple things:
    If this is the verse, where the writer of the koran perjures himself stating that everything is created in pairs.
    If this is the verse, where the writer of the koran perjures himself stating that we are created from "alaqa - drop of blood".


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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #254 - October 25, 2009, 06:40 PM

    AN-NAJM (THE STAR)

    053.001
    YUSUFALI: By the Star when it goes down,-
    PICKTHAL: By the Star when it setteth,
    SHAKIR: I swear by the star when it goes down.

    053.002
    YUSUFALI: Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
    PICKTHAL: Your comrade erreth not, nor is deceived;
    SHAKIR: Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray;

    053.003
    YUSUFALI: Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
    PICKTHAL: Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire.
    SHAKIR: Nor does he speak out of desire.

    053.004
    YUSUFALI: It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
    PICKTHAL: It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired,
    SHAKIR: It is naught but revelation that is revealed,

    053.005
    YUSUFALI: He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
    PICKTHAL: Which one of mighty powers hath taught him,
    SHAKIR: The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him,

    053.006
    YUSUFALI: Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form);
    PICKTHAL: One vigorous; and he grew clear to view
    SHAKIR: The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion,

    053.007
    YUSUFALI: While he was in the highest part of the horizon:
    PICKTHAL: When he was on the uppermost horizon.
    SHAKIR: And he is in the highest part of the horizon.

    053.008
    YUSUFALI: Then he approached and came closer,
    PICKTHAL: Then he drew nigh and came down
    SHAKIR: Then he drew near, then he bowed

    053.009
    YUSUFALI: And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
    PICKTHAL: Till he was (distant) two bows' length or even nearer,
    SHAKIR: So he was the measure of two bows or closer still.

    053.010
    YUSUFALI: So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey.
    PICKTHAL: And He revealed unto His slave that which He revealed.
    SHAKIR: And He revealed to His servant what He revealed.

    053.011
    YUSUFALI: The (Prophet's) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
    PICKTHAL: The heart lied not (in seeing) what it saw.
    SHAKIR: The heart was not untrue in (making him see) what he saw.

    053.012
    YUSUFALI: Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?
    PICKTHAL: Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he seeth?
    SHAKIR: What! do you then dispute with him as to what he saw?

    053.013
    YUSUFALI: For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
    PICKTHAL: And verily he saw him yet another time
    SHAKIR: And certainly he saw him in another descent,

    053.014
    YUSUFALI: Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass:
    PICKTHAL: By the lote-tree of the utmost boundary,
    SHAKIR: At the farthest lote-tree;

    053.015
    YUSUFALI: Near it is the Garden of Abode.
    PICKTHAL: Nigh unto which is the Garden of Abode.
    SHAKIR: Near which is the garden, the place to be resorted to.

    053.016
    YUSUFALI: Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!)
    PICKTHAL: When that which shroudeth did enshroud the lote-tree,
    SHAKIR: When that which covers covered the lote-tree;

    053.017
    YUSUFALI: (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
    PICKTHAL: The eye turned not aside nor yet was overbold.
    SHAKIR: The eye did not turn aside, nor did it exceed the limit.

    053.018
    YUSUFALI: For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest!
    PICKTHAL: Verily he saw one of the greater revelations of his Lord.
    SHAKIR: Certainly he saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.

    053.019
    YUSUFALI: Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
    PICKTHAL: Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
    SHAKIR: Have you then considered the Lat and the Uzza,

    053.020
    YUSUFALI: And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
    PICKTHAL: And Manat, the third, the other?
    SHAKIR: And Manat, the third, the last?

    053.021
    YUSUFALI: What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?
    PICKTHAL: Are yours the males and His the females?
    SHAKIR: What! for you the males and for Him the females!

    053.022
    YUSUFALI: Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
    PICKTHAL: That indeed were an unfair division!
    SHAKIR: This indeed is an unjust division!

    053.023
    YUSUFALI: These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
    PICKTHAL: They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.
    SHAKIR: They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord.

    053.024
    YUSUFALI: Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after?
    PICKTHAL: Or shall man have what he coveteth?
    SHAKIR: Or shall man have what he wishes?

    053.025
    YUSUFALI: But it is to Allah that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong.
    PICKTHAL: But unto Allah belongeth the after (life), and the former.
    SHAKIR: Nay! for Allah is the hereafter and the former (life).

    053.026
    YUSUFALI: How many-so-ever be the angels in the heavens, their intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He pleases and that he is acceptable to Him.
    PICKTHAL: And how many angels are in the heavens whose intercession availeth naught save after Allah giveth leave to whom He chooseth and accepteth.
    SHAKIR: And how many an angel is there in the heavens whose intercession does not avail at all except after Allah has given permission to whom He pleases and chooses.

    053.027
    YUSUFALI: Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.
    PICKTHAL: Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females.
    SHAKIR: Most surely they who do not believe in the hereafter name the angels with female names.

    053.028
    YUSUFALI: But they have no knowledge therein. They follow nothing but conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth.
    PICKTHAL: And they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and lo! a guess can never take the place of the truth.
    SHAKIR: And they have no knowledge of it; they do not follow anything but conjecture, and surely conjecture does not avail against the truth at all.

    053.029
    YUSUFALI: Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world.
    PICKTHAL: Then withdraw (O Muhammad) from him who fleeth from Our remembrance and desireth but the life of the world.
    SHAKIR: Therefore turn aside from him who turns his back upon Our reminder and does not desire anything but this world's life.

    053.030
    YUSUFALI: That is as far as knowledge will reach them. Verily thy Lord knoweth best those who stray from His Path, and He knoweth best those who receive guidance.
    PICKTHAL: Such is their sum of knowledge. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth, and He is Best Aware of him whom goeth right.
    SHAKIR: That is their goal of knowledge; surely your Lord knows best him who goes astray from His path and He knows best him who follows the right direction.

    053.031
    YUSUFALI: Yea, to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: so that He rewards those who do evil, according to their deeds, and He rewards those who do good, with what is best.
    PICKTHAL: And unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, that He may reward those who do evil with that which they have done, and reward those who do good with goodness.
    SHAKIR: And Allah's is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth, that He may reward those who do evil according to what they do, and (that) He may reward those who do good with goodness.

    053.032
    YUSUFALI: Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, And when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil.
    PICKTHAL: Those who avoid enormities of sin and abominations, save the unwilled offences - (for them) lo! thy Lord is of vast mercy. He is Best Aware of you (from the time) when He created you from the earth, and when ye were hidden in the bellies of your mothers. Therefor ascribe not purity unto yourselves. He is Best Aware of him who wardeth off (evil).
    SHAKIR: Those who keep aloof from the great sins and the indecencies but the passing idea; surely your Lord is liberal in forgiving. He knows you best when He brings you forth from the earth and when you are embryos in the wombs of your mothers; therefore do not attribute purity to your souls; He knows him best who guards (against evil).
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #255 - October 25, 2009, 06:43 PM

    053.033
    YUSUFALI: Seest thou one who turns back,
    PICKTHAL: Didst thou (O Muhammad) observe him who turned away,
    SHAKIR: Have you then seen him who turns his back?

    053.034
    YUSUFALI: Gives a little, then hardens (his heart)?
    PICKTHAL: And gave a little, then was grudging?
    SHAKIR: And gives a little and (then) withholds.

    053.035
    YUSUFALI: What! Has he knowledge of the Unseen so that he can see?
    PICKTHAL: Hath he knowledge of the Unseen so that he seeth?
    SHAKIR: Has he the knowledge of the unseen so that he can see?

    053.036
    YUSUFALI: Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Books of Moses-
    PICKTHAL: Or hath he not had news of what is in the books of Moses
    SHAKIR: Or, has he not been informed of what is in the scriptures of Musa?

    053.037
    YUSUFALI: And of Abraham who fulfilled his engagements?-
    PICKTHAL: And Abraham who paid his debt:
    SHAKIR: And (of) Ibrahim who fulfilled (the commandments):

    053.038
    YUSUFALI: Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;
    PICKTHAL: That no laden one shall bear another's load,
    SHAKIR: That no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another-

    053.039
    YUSUFALI: That man can have nothing but what he strives for;
    PICKTHAL: And that man hath only that for which he maketh effort,
    SHAKIR: And that man shall have nothing but what he strives for-

    053.040
    YUSUFALI: That (the fruit of) his striving will soon come in sight:
    PICKTHAL: And that his effort will be seen.
    SHAKIR: And that his striving shall soon be seen-

    053.041
    YUSUFALI: Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete;
    PICKTHAL: And afterward he will be repaid for it with fullest payment;
    SHAKIR: Then shall he be rewarded for it with the fullest reward-

    053.042
    YUSUFALI: That to thy Lord is the final Goal;
    PICKTHAL: And that thy Lord, He is the goal;
    SHAKIR: And that to your Lord is the goal-

    053.043
    YUSUFALI: That it is He Who granteth Laughter and Tears;
    PICKTHAL: And that He it is who maketh laugh, and maketh weep,
    SHAKIR: And that He it is Who makes (men) laugh and makes (them) weep;

    053.044
    YUSUFALI: That it is He Who granteth Death and Life;
    PICKTHAL: And that He it is Who giveth death and giveth life;
    SHAKIR: And that He it is Who causes death and gives life-

    053.045
    YUSUFALI: That He did create in pairs,- male and female,
    PICKTHAL: And that He createth the two spouses, the male and the female,
    SHAKIR: And that He created pairs, the male and the female

    053.046
    YUSUFALI: From a seed when lodged (in its place);
    PICKTHAL: From a drop (of seed) when it is poured forth;
    SHAKIR: From the small seed when it is adapted

    053.047
    YUSUFALI: That He hath promised a Second Creation (Raising of the Dead);
    PICKTHAL: And that He hath ordained the second bringing forth;
    SHAKIR: And that on Him is the bringing forth a second time;

    053.048
    YUSUFALI: That it is He Who giveth wealth and satisfaction;
    PICKTHAL: And that He it is Who enricheth and contenteth;
    SHAKIR: And that He it is Who enriches and gives to hold;

    053.049
    YUSUFALI: That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);
    PICKTHAL: And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius;
    SHAKIR: And that He is the Lord of the Sirius;

    053.050
    YUSUFALI: And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people),
    PICKTHAL: And that He destroyed the former (tribe of) A'ad,
    SHAKIR: And that He did destroy the Ad of old

    053.051
    YUSUFALI: And the Thamud nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.
    PICKTHAL: And (the tribe of) Thamud He spared not;
    SHAKIR: And Samood, so He spared not

    053.052
    YUSUFALI: And before them, the people of Noah, for that they were (all) most unjust and most insolent transgressors,
    PICKTHAL: And the folk of Noah aforetime, Lo! they were more unjust and more rebellious;
    SHAKIR: And the people of Nuh before; surely they were most unjust and inordinate;

    053.053
    YUSUFALI: And He destroyed the Overthrown Cities (of Sodom and Gomorrah).
    PICKTHAL: And Al-Mu'tafikah He destroyed
    SHAKIR: And the overthrown cities did He overthrow,

    053.054
    YUSUFALI: So that (ruins unknown) have covered them up.
    PICKTHAL: So that there covered them that which did cover.
    SHAKIR: So there covered them that which covered.

    053.055
    YUSUFALI: Then which of the gifts of thy Lord, (O man,) wilt thou dispute about?
    PICKTHAL: Concerning which then, of the bounties of thy Lord, canst thou dispute?
    SHAKIR: Which of your Lord's benefits will you then dispute about?

    053.056
    YUSUFALI: This is a Warner, of the (series of) Warners of old!
    PICKTHAL: This is a warner of the warners of old.
    SHAKIR: This is a warner of the warners of old.

    053.057
    YUSUFALI: The (Judgment) ever approaching draws nigh:
    PICKTHAL: The threatened Hour is nigh.
    SHAKIR: The near event draws nigh.

    053.058
    YUSUFALI: No (soul) but Allah can lay it bare.
    PICKTHAL: None beside Allah can disclose it.
    SHAKIR: There shall be none besides Allah to remove it.

    053.059
    YUSUFALI: Do ye then wonder at this recital?
    PICKTHAL: Marvel ye then at this statement,
    SHAKIR: Do you then wonder at this announcement?

    053.060
    YUSUFALI: And will ye laugh and not weep,-
    PICKTHAL: And laugh and not weep,
    SHAKIR: And will you laugh and not weep?

    053.061
    YUSUFALI: Wasting your time in vanities?
    PICKTHAL: While ye amuse yourselves?
    SHAKIR: While you are indulging in varieties.

    053.062
    YUSUFALI: But fall ye down in prostration to Allah, and adore (Him)!
    PICKTHAL: Rather prostrate yourselves before Allah and serve Him.
    SHAKIR: So make obeisance to Allah and serve (Him).
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #256 - October 25, 2009, 06:46 PM

      سورة النجم 

    1   وَالنَّجْمِ إِذَا هَوَىٰ   
     
    2   مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَىٰ   
     
    3   وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ   
     
    4   إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ   
     
    5   عَلَّمَهُ شَدِيدُ الْقُوَىٰ   
     
    6   ذُو مِرَّةٍ فَاسْتَوَىٰ   
     
    7   وَهُوَ بِالْأُفُقِ الْأَعْلَىٰ   
     
    8   ثُمَّ دَنَا فَتَدَلَّىٰ   
     
    9   فَكَانَ قَابَ قَوْسَيْنِ أَوْ أَدْنَىٰ   
     
    10   فَأَوْحَىٰ إِلَىٰ عَبْدِهِ مَا أَوْحَىٰ   
     
    11   مَا كَذَبَ الْفُؤَادُ مَا رَأَىٰ   
     
    12   أَفَتُمَارُونَهُ عَلَىٰ مَا يَرَىٰ   
     
    13   وَلَقَدْ رَآهُ نَزْلَةً أُخْرَىٰ   
     
    14   عِندَ سِدْرَةِ الْمُنتَهَىٰ   
     
    15   عِندَهَا جَنَّةُ الْمَأْوَىٰ   
     
    16   إِذْ يَغْشَى السِّدْرَةَ مَا يَغْشَىٰ   
     
    17   مَا زَاغَ الْبَصَرُ وَمَا طَغَىٰ   
     
    18   لَقَدْ رَأَىٰ مِنْ آيَاتِ رَبِّهِ الْكُبْرَىٰ   
     
    19   أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّىٰ   
     
    20   وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَىٰ   
     
    21   أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَىٰ   
     
    22   تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَىٰ   
     
    23   إِنْ هِيَ إِلَّا أَسْمَاءٌ سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهْوَى الْأَنفُسُ ۖ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَهُم مِّن رَّبِّهِمُ الْهُدَىٰ   
     
    24   أَمْ لِلْإِنسَانِ مَا تَمَنَّىٰ   
     
    25   فَلِلَّهِ الْآخِرَةُ وَالْأُولَىٰ   
     
    26    ۞ وَكَم مِّن مَّلَكٍ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ لَا تُغْنِي شَفَاعَتُهُمْ شَيْئًا إِلَّا مِن بَعْدِ أَن يَأْذَنَ اللَّهُ لِمَن يَشَاءُ وَيَرْضَىٰ   
     
    27   إِنَّ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ لَيُسَمُّونَ الْمَلَائِكَةَ تَسْمِيَةَ الْأُنثَىٰ   
     
    28   وَمَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ ۖ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ ۖ وَإِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا يُغْنِي مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَيْئًا   
     
    29   فَأَعْرِضْ عَن مَّن تَوَلَّىٰ عَن ذِكْرِنَا وَلَمْ يُرِدْ إِلَّا الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا   
     
    30   ذَ‌ٰلِكَ مَبْلَغُهُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنِ اهْتَدَىٰ   
     
    31   وَلِلَّهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ لِيَجْزِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسَاءُوا بِمَا عَمِلُوا وَيَجْزِيَ الَّذِينَ أَحْسَنُوا بِالْحُسْنَى   
     
    32   الَّذِينَ يَجْتَنِبُونَ كَبَائِرَ الْإِثْمِ وَالْفَوَاحِشَ إِلَّا اللَّمَمَ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ وَاسِعُ الْمَغْفِرَةِ ۚ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِكُمْ إِذْ أَنشَأَكُم مِّنَ الْأَرْضِ وَإِذْ أَنتُمْ أَجِنَّةٌ فِي بُطُونِ أُمَّهَاتِكُمْ ۖ فَلَا تُزَكُّوا أَنفُسَكُمْ ۖ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنِ اتَّقَىٰ   
     
    33   أَفَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي تَوَلَّىٰ   
     
    34   وَأَعْطَىٰ قَلِيلًا وَأَكْدَىٰ   
     
    35   أَعِندَهُ عِلْمُ الْغَيْبِ فَهُوَ يَرَىٰ   
     
    36   أَمْ لَمْ يُنَبَّأْ بِمَا فِي صُحُفِ مُوسَىٰ   
     
    37   وَإِبْرَاهِيمَ الَّذِي وَفَّىٰ   
     
    38   أَلَّا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَىٰ   
     
    39   وَأَن لَّيْسَ لِلْإِنسَانِ إِلَّا مَا سَعَىٰ   
     
    40   وَأَنَّ سَعْيَهُ سَوْفَ يُرَىٰ   
     
    41   ثُمَّ يُجْزَاهُ الْجَزَاءَ الْأَوْفَىٰ   
     
    42   وَأَنَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّكَ الْمُنتَهَىٰ   
     
    43   وَأَنَّهُ هُوَ أَضْحَكَ وَأَبْكَىٰ   
     
    44   وَأَنَّهُ هُوَ أَمَاتَ وَأَحْيَا   
     
    45   وَأَنَّهُ خَلَقَ الزَّوْجَيْنِ الذَّكَرَ وَالْأُنثَىٰ   
     
    46   مِن نُّطْفَةٍ إِذَا تُمْنَىٰ   
     
    47   وَأَنَّ عَلَيْهِ النَّشْأَةَ الْأُخْرَىٰ   
     
    48   وَأَنَّهُ هُوَ أَغْنَىٰ وَأَقْنَىٰ   
     
    49   وَأَنَّهُ هُوَ رَبُّ الشِّعْرَىٰ   
     
    50   وَأَنَّهُ أَهْلَكَ عَادًا الْأُولَىٰ   
     
    51   وَثَمُودَ فَمَا أَبْقَىٰ   
     
    52   وَقَوْمَ نُوحٍ مِّن قَبْلُ ۖ إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا هُمْ أَظْلَمَ وَأَطْغَىٰ   
     
    53   وَالْمُؤْتَفِكَةَ أَهْوَىٰ   
     
    54   فَغَشَّاهَا مَا غَشَّىٰ   
     
    55   فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكَ تَتَمَارَىٰ   
     
    56   هَـٰذَا نَذِيرٌ مِّنَ النُّذُرِ الْأُولَىٰ   
     
    57   أَزِفَتِ الْآزِفَةُ   
     
    58   لَيْسَ لَهَا مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ كَاشِفَةٌ   
     
    59   أَفَمِنْ هَـٰذَا الْحَدِيثِ تَعْجَبُونَ   
     
    60   وَتَضْحَكُونَ وَلَا تَبْكُونَ   
     
    61   وَأَنتُمْ سَامِدُونَ   
     
    62   فَاسْجُدُوا لِلَّهِ وَاعْبُدُوا
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #257 - October 25, 2009, 09:18 PM

    Ok, looking at the entire thing in English, I still don't see anything that even suggests the male is responsible for the gender of a baby. Is it common to say that it suggests that? It seems far-fetched to me.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #258 - October 25, 2009, 09:25 PM

    Can't see it myself - could you find out what he is talking about?
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #259 - October 25, 2009, 09:26 PM

    I've never heard his argument before.  Although judging from the 'nutfah' verses I would concede that Islam suggests that man is wholly responsible for the childs building blocks, and sees a womens role solely as providing an oven for the man's dough - so in this sense the man is responsible for the childs sex.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #260 - October 25, 2009, 09:35 PM

    Yeah, I've messaged him asking him to explain exactly what he means.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #261 - October 26, 2009, 12:15 PM

    Ok, so I replied to him asking where it says the man is responsible for the gender of a baby, and this is what I got in return. My head is still spinning.

    //hi lauren how is it going?are doing fine in your studies?i hope so......lok the verses i sent you mean this in arabic we understand this meaning from them in arabic i did not notice what the translation is saying i just copy it but in arabic it is stating "from the small seed(man's seed) and it is not giving the meaning when it is adapted it is aying when it is seeded "when it is adapted"is a kind of interpration of clarification of the translator they are many translations of the meanings of qu'ran you know...like when they translate the word read in qur'an which is the first verse in qu'ran it means ,its ture meaning recite not read as the perophet was not capable to read...these things you can discuss with sheik yusuf estes via e mail or phone i hope so when you are willing and have the time,i am not coming with conclusions from my head and convincing myself with it lauren i am not that kind of person....you know i will send you choosen topics another time...see them quickly....i amy be do not look deeply in your links but this is because i am not rejecting in what they carry they are talking about scientific facts ,and i am not a scientist and as you said before they are evolutionists that are not denying god existence,i am trying to proof that someone was not lying i mean the prophet...your logic lauren of course won't accept that water is affected by what we say and our intentions during we are saying some words like love and peace devil hitler and mother terezaand qur'anic verses ,while it is happening.how can the heart prooves that the brain existes he is dominated by this one brain and is a different organ God is the brain of the universe you can say....//


    "Laughter makes the bitter swallowing of truth, for some, a little easier."
    -Bill Hicks
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #262 - October 26, 2009, 12:17 PM

    He then also sent me this (my apologies for the length):

    //Housefly Falls into One's Drink!


    By: Dr. / Zaghloul El-Naggar


    the prophet peace be upon him said:"If a housefly falls into the drink of anyone of you, he should immerse it completely in the liquid, then remove it, for one of its wings has the disease and the other has the cure."


    Explanation of the Hadith


    This Hadith means that the fly carries on one of its wings a disease, and on the other a cure from the same disease. When a fly falls into a container (of food or drink), it puts forward the wing carrying the microbe, as a self-defense. Imam Ibn Hajar said in his commentary on the hadith that one of the scholars observed that the fly protects itself with its left wing, so it can be deduced that it carries the cure or the antidote on the right wing. So if the fly is immersed in whatever it falls on, the antidote will destroy the venom or the microbe with the will of Allah. Some people are not pleased with the idea of immersing a fly in one's food or drink. However, this can be only applied in cases of emergency. When, for example, someone is in a desert, having only little water or drink. Such a person has no choice but to do as the Prophet recommended. Otherwise, he will die from thirst or infection. If someone disdains eating that food or drink, he does not have to do so, but he does not have the right to disclaim the authenticity of the hadith. The hadith is strongly authentic, as it is narrated by Imam al-Bukhari.


    Flies are very common on earth. They are almost 87000 species. It has been scientifically proved that they feed on garbage and waste organic matter of the vast numbers of bacteria, viruses and other various microbes and germs.


    Bacteria are very small living organisms. They live in billions in one gram of agricultural land and in millions in one drop of saliva. The effect of bacteria on the biological life on earth is unlimited, without it no crops could grow, and without crops there would be no life for man and animals on earth. Most of the bacteria are harmless, but some cause several diseases.


    Viruses are, in fact, nucleic acids (either DNA or RNA). Allah the Almighty gave them the ability to enclose themselves by a protein coat, to form separate units called the "virion". The virus particle or the "virion" has the ability to invade living cells (host cell), inciting them to produce more viruses or destroying the tissues of this host cell. That is why viruses are responsible for many diseases, which affect plants, animals and man.


    There is a type of virus, which infects, bacteria cells, known as "Bacteriophage." The killing type of these viruses is known as "Virulent Bacteriophage", while the non-killing type is known as "Temperate Bacteriophage". It is of the Divine Ability of Allah, Glorified be He, to create everything in this universe in pairs, so that, it is only Allah, Who is the One, Who has no partner. Thus, Allah created male and female, day and night, positive and negative, as He created the bacteria and the "Bacteriophage." It is only Allah, Who is the One, Who has no partner.


    Allah, the Almighty, gave the fly the ability to carry the germ on one wing and its antidote on the other. Otherwise the fly species would have perished by now, exposed to all these germs. However, they still exist in more than 87000 species.


    The fly carries the viruses of many diseases, which are consequently transferred to man's food, drink and body. Of these viral diseases are common flu, measles, mumps, chickenpox, warts, yellow fever, infectious liver diseases, some cases of paralysis, some types of cancer, and some chronic diseases of the central nervous system including multiple sclerosis.


    Viruses also cause many diseases, which effect cattle, sheep and birds. Some of these diseases are encephalitis, aphthous fever (foot and mouth diseases) and duck plague, which could be transferred to man through the infected animal. Some crops such as potatoes, tomatoes, bananas and sugarcane can also be destroyed by viral infections.


    "The virulent Bacteriophage" kills the bacterial cell that it invades in a very short time. While the "Temperate Bacteriophage" keeps the bacterial cell that it invades alive. It acquires a kind of immunity against the same virus or produce similar viruses. This explains why the fly carries pathogen on one wing and its antidote on the other.


    A group of Muslim researchers in Egypt and Saudi Arabia carried several experiments on containers of water, honey and different juices. They exposed them to the flies. Then they immersed some flies in some of these containers. The microscopic examination showed that the liquids in which no flies were immersed were full of bacteria and viruses, while the others where the flies were totally immersed had none.


    It was discovered that there are antidotes for pathogens, and that there are various types of bacteria and "Bacteriophages", only in the last decades of the 20th century.


    The Prophet alluded to these 1400 years ago, when humans knew almost nothing of the facts of modern science. But given this type of information with such accuracy, that one wing carries the antidote to the pathogen carried by the other, could only be of the Divine Revelation taught to the Prophet by Allah the Almighty//

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    -Bill Hicks
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #263 - October 26, 2009, 01:27 PM

    A group of Muslim researchers in Egypt and Saudi Arabia carried several experiments on containers of water, honey and different juices. They exposed them to the flies. Then they immersed some flies in some of these containers. The microscopic examination showed that the liquids in which no flies were immersed were full of bacteria and viruses, while the others where the flies were totally immersed had none.

    may i ask for the Link to that study and research , even if its in arabic or english ..sorry to interrupt Smiley

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #264 - October 26, 2009, 01:36 PM

    A group of Muslim researchers in Egypt and Saudi Arabia carried several experiments on containers of water, honey and different juices. They exposed them to the flies. Then they immersed some flies in some of these containers. The microscopic examination showed that the liquids in which no flies were immersed were full of bacteria and viruses, while the others where the flies were totally immersed had none.

    may i ask for the Link to that study and research , even if its in arabic or english ..sorry to interrupt Smiley


    I tried to look up some material about the fly and the microbes on their winds and the 1st website link that came up was by Dr Zaghlool. I don't know who the hell is Dr Zaghlool, but his website is a trap. Ironically he is talking about bacteria and viruses and his website is full of viruses and mybe creepy-crawlies as well. I got a warning from Google which I trust...


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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #265 - October 26, 2009, 01:42 PM

    I tried to look up some material about the fly and the microbes on their winds and the 1st website link that came up was by Dr Zaghlool. I don't know who the hell is Dr Zaghlool, but his website is a trap. Ironically he is talking about bacteria and viruses and his website is full of viruses and mybe creepy-crawlies as well. I got a warning from Google which I trust...



    They should have the same warning on all holy books  Wink
    and how come u dunno " بهلول الفشار " Lol
    anyway i know there isnot any study or research , and if there is , then i "Thank Allah who deprived all these creatures around the world  from their self defense mechanisms and gave it to the fly so he ensures its existence " Ameen

    and seriously.. how will forwarding the right wing which has the disease saves the fly ..  Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #266 - October 26, 2009, 01:50 PM

    They should have the same warning on all holy books  Wink
    and how come u dunno " بهلول الفشار " Lol
    anyway i know there isnot any study or research , and if there is , then i "Thank Allah who deprived all these creatures around the world  from their self defense mechanisms and gave it to the fly so he ensures its existence " Ameen



    I never heard of Bahlool Alfashar, but will look him up just for laughs later. Cheers for pointing that out. And the for the fly, LOL Ameen Ameen...

    What about the Comodo Dragons, it's mouth is full of the deadliest Bacteria... I wonder why it was not mentioned in the Quran. Did not Muhammad know about it?


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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #267 - October 26, 2009, 01:57 PM

    I never heard of Bahlool Alfashar, but will look him up just for laughs later. Cheers for pointing that out. And the for the fly, LOL Ameen Ameen...

    What about the Comodo Dragons, it's mouth is full of the deadliest Bacteria... I wonder why it was not mentioned in the Quran. Did not Muhammad know about it?

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    The muslims would respond to your statement as follows:-

    "The Quran isn't meant to be an encyclopedia about everything. It's a book of guidance. Those quaint examples are just glimpses into what Allah is capable of".
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #268 - October 26, 2009, 11:13 PM

    The muslims would respond to your statement as follows:-

    "The Quran isn't meant to be an encyclopedia about everything. It's a book of guidance. Those quaint examples are just glimpses into what Allah is capable of".


    If that is the case then why do Muslims use 'Qur'anic science' to some how objectively validate Islam?

    Why can't they just be happy like the Christians and say it is a matter of faith?

    Or if they did that - then hardly anyone would remain Muslims?

    Every time I do get told about this 'Qur'anic science' I ask, "why didn't Maurice Bucaille convert to Islam - if it were the obvious truth and had clear and objective science then it would stand to reason that any sane person would convert to the truth?" to which I get a deafening silence.

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #269 - October 27, 2009, 04:39 AM

    Guidance? What guidance. The Quran mainly covers 3 issues:

    1- some old sagas and stories obviously copied from other books.
    2- threats that Allah makes for those who do not believe in him.
    3- Mohamads' private life and how to fuch the wife or what your right hand claims.

    It is funny how most Muslim countries think that the Quran is fit to replace the constitution as it "presumably" covers all aspects of life.... How silly is that?

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