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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #30 - June 22, 2009, 07:58 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere on June 22, 2009, 07:17 PM
    Why don't you just fuck off.


    There is no call for that at all.  Just keep it civil, please. 
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #31 - June 22, 2009, 08:06 PM
    I can see both sides of the argument.  tbh I don't know where I stand on this issue.

    I know I'm not a moderator, but please respect each others views and keep the thread clean.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #32 - June 22, 2009, 08:15 PM
    I just thikn its ridiculous. You would expect this sort of behaviour from a religious state like saudi arabia, but it just astounds me that in this day and age, a state like France which is meant to be standing up for liberal values thinks that it can tell women how they can and can't dress.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #33 - June 22, 2009, 08:23 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on June 22, 2009, 08:06 PM
    I can see both sides of the argument.  tbh I don't know where I stand on this issue.

    I know I'm not a moderator, but please respect each others views and keep the thread clean.

    Agreed, there's no need for that kind of language here.  Its sounded so naff & pathetic when I first read it.  Sorry.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #34 - June 22, 2009, 09:45 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere on June 22, 2009, 08:15 PM
    I just thikn its ridiculous. You would expect this sort of behaviour from a religious state like saudi arabia, but it just astounds me that in this day and age, a state like France which is meant to be standing up for liberal values thinks that it can tell women how they can and can't dress.

    I think there are arguments for it in certain circumstances. For instance, in Australia it is illegal to enter a bank with your face covered. There are sound reasons for this and they have nothing to do with freedom of religion, so I don't think that exempting niqabs and burqas would make any sense.

    On the other hand although I find the burqa and niqab rather repulsive because of what they symbolise (which is not Islam per se) I feel that it is not the state's business to force anyone to not wear them any more than it should be the state's business to force anyone to not wear a bikini.

    Actually the Gold Coast in Queensland is an interesting place, because you often see niqabis and bikinis in the same place. I know which looks vastly more comfortable on a hot day. 
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #35 - June 23, 2009, 09:26 AM
    I saw no less the FOUR women in niqab today on my way to work.  Could this possibly be a protest action by UK Muslims against the French hijab ban proposal... or am I just being paranoid?

    Personally, like most of the gang here although I find the niqab and face veiling repulsive, at the end of the day it should be an individual's choice to decide what they want to wear or not to wear and banning the burqa and niqab will only serve to force many Muslim women back into the confines of their houses.

    I agree that there should be legislation to prevent parents or spouses from forcing their wifes and daughters to wear the hijab/burqa/niqab but how to implement such a law would be much too dificult. 

    Perhaps a minimum age for wearing hijab?  There is nothing more heart breaking to me than to see a little girl covered up whilst her brothers cavort about in shorts and t-shirts.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #36 - June 23, 2009, 09:30 AM
    Quote from: Nour on June 23, 2009, 09:26 AM


    Perhaps a minimum age for wearing hijab?  There is nothing more heart breaking to me than to see a little girl covered up whilst her brothers cavort about in shorts and t-shirts.


    I would vote for a move like that.   yes

    Even if I had still been a muslim I would not have made my daughter wear it at a young age, infact I never would have made her wear it she would have had free choice, and even if she had come to me as a young girl and asked to wear it I would have refused because I hated it anyway.

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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #37 - June 23, 2009, 09:40 AM
    Quote from: Nour on June 23, 2009, 09:26 AM
    I agree that there should be legislation to prevent parents or spouses from forcing their wifes and daughters to wear the hijab/burqa/niqab but how to implement such a law would be much too dificult. 

    That's a problem I have with what I suggested. Too many girls would be too afraid of saying that they are being forced to wear it.
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    Perhaps a minimum age for wearing hijab?  There is nothing more heart breaking to me than to see a little girl covered up whilst her brothers cavort about in shorts and t-shirts.

    I would be in support of that. But we still need something to help the older ladies too as they can just as easily be forced to wear a burkha what with Islam treating them like children.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #38 - June 23, 2009, 10:25 AM
    Quote from: Nour on June 23, 2009, 09:26 AM
    I saw no less the FOUR women in niqab today on my way to work.  Could this possibly be a protest action by UK Muslims against the French hijab ban proposal... or am I just being paranoid?

    Personally, like most of the gang here although I find the niqab and face veiling repulsive, at the end of the day it should be an individual's choice to decide what they want to wear or not to wear and banning the burqa and niqab will only serve to force many Muslim women back into the confines of their houses.

    I agree that there should be legislation to prevent parents or spouses from forcing their wifes and daughters to wear the hijab/burqa/niqab but how to implement such a law would be much too dificult. 

    Perhaps a minimum age for wearing hijab?  There is nothing more heart breaking to me than to see a little girl covered up whilst her brothers cavort about in shorts and t-shirts.

    Great idea - I doubt kids were supposed to wear them, particularly now that Mo is dead then there is less risk.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #39 - June 23, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla
    Even if I had still been a muslim I would not have made my daughter wear it at a young age, infact I never would have made her wear it she would have had free choice, and even if she had come to me as a young girl and asked to wear it I would have refused because I hated it anyway.

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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #40 - June 23, 2009, 12:16 PM
    Quote from: IsLame
    Great idea - I doubt kids were supposed to wear them, particularly now that Mo is dead then there is less risk.


    LOL!  Cheesy
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #41 - June 23, 2009, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: Nour on June 23, 2009, 09:26 AM
    There is nothing more heart breaking to me than to see a little girl covered up whilst her brothers cavort about in shorts and t-shirts.


    I know exactly what you mean. That really gets my goat as well. Especially when the boy is wearing all the latest nike/adidas etc!
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #42 - June 23, 2009, 05:06 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on June 22, 2009, 03:12 PM
    Banning the hijab liberates women and gives them an excuse to reject the patriarchal slavery imposed upon them. It is oppressive not to ban the hijab. There is no "free exercise of religious beliefs" concerning a piece of cloth which is meant to enslave and degrade women.

    France is a secular state and they are upholding their secular institutions. Good for them. The hijab is banned in Turkey, too, for the record.


    Individuals need protection from the mob, not the other way around. If a Muslim woman wants to wear the hijab/niqaab it is her choice, we should not be jumping on the mob bandwagon which is essentially the state dictating how individuals should dress/live. 
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #43 - June 23, 2009, 10:28 PM
    Interesting article from Saira Khan, who isn't exactly a practising Muslim, but nevertheless...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195052/Why-I-British-Muslim-woman-want-burkha-banned-streets.html
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #44 - June 23, 2009, 11:01 PM
    I completely agree with this part of it:

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    The burkha is the ultimate visual symbol of female oppression. It is the weapon of radical Muslim men who want to see Sharia law on Britain's streets, and would love women to be hidden, unseen and unheard. It is totally out of place in a civilised country.

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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #45 - June 23, 2009, 11:13 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on June 23, 2009, 05:06 PM
    Individuals need protection from the mob

    Exactly. Which part of "Muslim mobs imposing the hijab on women" do you not understand?
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #46 - June 24, 2009, 01:21 AM
    Why cant they ban the Turban as well?

    I dont really mind the Hijab, but I oppose the Niqab where the whole face is covered up.

    Then again, instead of weraing a hijab, you could just wear a beanie cap instead:

    http://www.surfdome.com/roxy_beanies_-_roxy_super_coop_beanie_beanie_-_chocolate-7275

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    Roxy beanies are a must for any girls wardrobe and you are looking at the freshest range online. Warm womens beanies for every occasion.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #47 - June 24, 2009, 01:27 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on June 23, 2009, 09:40 AM
    That's a problem I have with what I suggested. Too many girls would be too afraid of saying that they are being forced to wear it.


    The other question would be at what age it would be okay to begin offering a girl protection from her parents' forcing her to wear a certain type of clothing.  It'd probably be pretty close to the age of majority though.
  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #48 - June 24, 2009, 01:28 AM
    Quote from: Zaephon on June 23, 2009, 11:13 PM
    Exactly. Which part of "Muslim mobs imposing the hijab on women" do you not understand?


    Reading through this, you seem to find it difficult to understand that many Muslim women choose to wear niqab all on their own.
  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #49 - June 24, 2009, 02:33 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on June 22, 2009, 02:30 PM
    It's oppressive to ban the hijab.

    This is not about the Hijab innit: it's about the Chador / Niqaab / Burka (the once that cover the whole face)

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    It would be simpler to ban parents from forcing kids to wear it and make them face criminal charges if they attempt to do so.

     Actually, in case we're talking about schools etc. it really isn't. How on earth do you distinguish (legally) between children who are forced to say they like their Hijabs and those who really want them?

    You can't really legalize motive.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #50 - June 24, 2009, 02:42 PM
    Quote from: aliadiere on June 22, 2009, 06:14 PM
    If you believe that telling women they must wear hijab/niqab/burqa is oppressive, surely it is hypocritical to say that telling women they must not wear it is not oppressive.

     "If you believe that telling people to kill gays is oppressive, surely it is hypocritical to say that telling people the must not kill gays is not oppressive."

    I think your logic needs fixing.

    The Islamic veil specifically is created to make women less approachable, recognizable and less visible. These things make her participation in society difficult if not impossible. On that ground alone I support the 'ban' of such clothing in schools etc.

    What adult women wear in the privacy of their own home is their own business.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #51 - June 24, 2009, 03:26 PM
    Quote from: Phedippedes on June 24, 2009, 02:42 PM
    "If you believe that telling people to kill gays is oppressive, surely it is hypocritical to say that telling people the must not kill gays is not oppressive."

    I think your logic needs fixing.

    The Islamic veil specifically is created to make women less approachable, recognizable and less visible. These things make her participation in society difficult if not impossible. On that ground alone I support the 'ban' of such clothing in schools etc.

    What adult women wear in the privacy of their own home is their own business.


    You make a ridiculous comparison adn then tell me that my logic needs fixing?!
    Killing gays harms people, full stop. Wearing a hijab is not harmful to anyone unless they are being forced/pressured into wearing it.

    I agree that the Islamic veil was created to shut women up and to keep women out of the public sphere. But that is all irrelevent if a woman wants to wear a hijab because she wants to wear it. Who is any man to tell women how they can and can't dress?
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #52 - June 24, 2009, 03:36 PM
    Quote from: Phedippedes on June 24, 2009, 02:42 PM
    "If you believe that telling people to kill gays is oppressive, surely it is hypocritical to say that telling people the must not kill gays is not oppressive."

    I think your logic needs fixing.


    No, I think yours needs fixing. If a Muslim woman chooses to wear religious garb she has violated no one's rights. Suggesting it's the same as killing gays is utterly ridiculous.

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    The Islamic veil specifically is created to make women less approachable, recognizable and less visible. These things make her participation in society difficult if not impossible. On that ground alone I support the 'ban' of such clothing in schools etc.

    What adult women wear in the privacy of their own home is their own business.


    What adult women wear outside the home is also their own business. Neither you nor the state have a right to tell someone what clothes they may not wear, especially if those clothes constitute free exercise of religion.

    You could make an argument about hijab on kids in public schools, and I probably wouldn't buy it, but I at least think it's a reasonable argument to make-- but what an adult woman wants to wear in public? If you support a ban on that than you are nothing but an authoritarian who supports the repression of the free exercise of a particular religion. You would be better than the Islamists in terms of the breadth of what you would restrict and severity of punishment for violation of these restrictions, but at your core you would share the same motivation as the Islamists-- forcing your beliefs on other people and restricting their individual choices through the coercive power of the state. Fuck that. Anyone who supports that shit can espouse all the liberal motivations they want, but the power they would grant the state over people's individual choice which do not directly and immediately infringe on another's rights makes them an enemy of freedom. Hoxha's Albania certainly had many noble, liberal motivations for restricting people's free exercise of religion-- but I'd bet you wouldn't defend that.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #53 - June 24, 2009, 04:22 PM
    A propos of letting people wear what the want.

    For once it is a warm and sunny day in Copenhagen, so bicycling home for work, I came upon a man,probably in his fifties, wearing nothing but shorts. On his back well grown love handles in front a potbelly and his skin was so white that it had a sort of sickly skim milky hue. YUK !

    I think there ought to be a law that men have to wear a shirt in the city. The only possible exception is if they look like Zaephon?s avatar.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #54 - June 24, 2009, 04:55 PM
    Can we please make the distinction between a hijab and a niqab/burka.

    The title of this thread is misleading.

    The niqab/burka is the thing which is proposed to be banned...... NOT the hijab.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #55 - June 24, 2009, 06:05 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2009, 03:36 PM
    No, I think yours needs fixing. If a Muslim woman chooses to wear religious garb she has violated no ...

    It is never a matter of choice. They do it because they are indoctrinated that it is the right thing to do and on average, people choose to do the right thing.

    Of course, we can waste time to counter-indoctrinate them, but really, it is not a matter of choice.

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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #56 - June 24, 2009, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: Baal on June 24, 2009, 06:05 PM
    It is never a matter of choice. They do it because they are indoctrinated that it is the right thing to do and on average, people choose to do the right thing.

    Of course, we can waste time to counter-indoctrinate them, but really, it is not a matter of choice.


    Ugh. The leaps of logic being used by those who support this type of legislation are astounding. Okay so it's not really a choice because they are indoctrinated. You can say the same for any ideology-- religious or secular-- so let's act accordingly, shall we:

    --Fuck it, let's ban people from wearing crucifixes in public because it's not really a choice because they are indoctrinated to believe in Christianity.

    --Hey, if a Catholic woman chooses to have a baby that she can't afford and care for and would otherwise abort if she weren't indoctrinated in Catholicism, let's have a law that fuckin forces her to have an abortion-- I mean it is for her own good and if she's too brainwashed to liberate herself let's have the state make the choice for her.

    --Liberal Democrats who are so indoctrinated against using guns to exercise their right of self-defense should be forced to carry a gun to defend themselves-- if the cops come by and you aren't packing a handgun in .38 Spl or higher it's off to jail with you.

    --Orthodox Jewish women who are not allowed to work by their husbands and must wear wigs-- let's have the state initiate divorce proceedings, force her to get a job or else be fined or jailed and have the cops issue a citation if she's caught wearing a wig. I mean, it's the duty of the state to liberate these women because, even as adults, they are too indoctrinated by their faith in order to make real choices, so let's have the government treat them like children. Let's just force people to be liberated who incapable of liberating themselves because of their own belief system.

    People who are defensing this ban are defending the indefensible, claiming to be for freedom and liberation while calling for an oppressive law. It takes some pretty astounding convolutions of logic and creative but weak arguments to pretend you are for freedom when you are actually just in favor of imposing your beliefs on others.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #57 - June 24, 2009, 07:46 PM
    I am all for banning people from covering their face in public unless it's because of medical conditions.

    Being visually identifiable is at the basis of social life as we know it.
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #58 - June 24, 2009, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on June 24, 2009, 07:46 PM
    I am all for banning people from covering their face in public unless it's because of medical conditions.

    Being visually identifiable is at the basis of social life as we know it.


    So--

    --No Halloween masks or other costume masks?

    --No full-face motorcycle helmets?

    --No ski-masks/balaclavas in the middle of a snowstorm?

    What other things should the government ban or mandate on the basis of maintaining visual identification and/or social interaction?
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  • Re: French Hijab Ban Rears it's Head Once Again
     Reply #59 - June 24, 2009, 08:36 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2009, 08:27 PM
    So--

    --No Halloween masks or other costume masks?

    --No full-face motorcycle helmets?

    --No ski-masks/balaclavas in the middle of a snowstorm?

    What other things should the government ban or mandate on the basis of maintaining visual identification and/or social interaction?

    Those could be allowed within a specific context/event/area, if/when there is a benefit.
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