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 Topic: Ban the Burka/Niqab?

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #60 - June 30, 2009, 08:38 AM

    First point: I notice that most of the Muslim women speaking in that video are not wearing the niqab or the burqa. They must be whores, right?  Wink

    Second point: hypocrisy. These women claim they are free from obsessions about how they look and how they appear to men and how they dress, which is obviously false. They are very focused on what they wear and how they appear to men.

    Third point: the claim that Islam relies on a mutual responsibility for both men and women in terms of conduct and the implication that other cultures do not. False. When I'm on the beach surrounded by women in bikinis (heaven on earth grin12 ) they take it for granted that it is my responsibility to behave in a respectful fashion and I have absolutely no problem with this. Islam puts the onus on the women because it assumes that such bikini-clad women are responsible for the reactions of men, which is bullshit IMO.

    Fourth point: the Islamic attitude is not only an insult to women (because it holds them responsible for other people's actions and condemns them as whores if they do not comply with Islamic attitudes) but it is also an insult to me as a man, because it assumes I have no ability to see women as anything other than sex objects and it assumes I have no ability to control myself. It even assumes that I am constantly (rather than intermittently  grin12 ) needing to control myself.

    Fifth point: the video attempts to claim that the attitudes of some idiot hip hop wanker should be a major influence in establishing codes of conduct. I woud have thought if anything the exact opposite would be the case.  Cheesy

    Summary: the Islamic attitude to women's clothing is bullshit. Kthnxbai. bunny

    Exactly, in particular point 4

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #61 - June 30, 2009, 12:29 PM

    but I watched a bit of the BBC programme an dit made me really angry - Yvonne Ridley has spent the last few years cheerleading for the  Taliban  - she went to university and earns a good living as a journalist , while her little friends throw acid at girls who're trying to go to school . And Bidisha would probably be stoned if she ever set foot in saudi arabia or Iran

    I loved how Yvonne cleverly avoided a question asking her about the person who got shot for teaching at a girls school Roll Eyes
  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab
     Reply #62 - June 30, 2009, 02:35 PM

    That sucks, but it's their choice to make, not anyone else's. They have to say "enough of this shit", then the state (or whoever) can swoop in to assist-- but they have to take that first step; they have to make the choice to break with their oppressive culture, it's not a choice the state should be making for anyone.


    Absolutely.

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #63 - June 30, 2009, 09:44 PM

    Yvonne Ridley should be made to go and actually live under the Taliban for a few years. Not sure the experince would get through her skull anyway but it's sure worth a try and might keep her off the tv for a while.

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #64 - July 01, 2009, 12:56 AM

    That vid offers the best argument I heard yet to ban the burqa/niqab.  It shows the sick mentality which veiling women creates and panders to.


    Can you explain further?

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #65 - July 01, 2009, 05:53 AM

    Yeah I wanna know about the pandas. What have they got to do with it?

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #66 - July 30, 2009, 12:41 PM

    Quote
    Burqas not a major problem - police

    LESS than 370 women in France wear a burqa according to a police security agency estimation.

    The figure, quoted in today's Le Monde newspaper comes less than a month after MPs created a commission to look at banning the dress in France.

    According to the Direction centrale du renseignement int?rieur (DCRI), security agency, only 367 women wear the burqa - an Islamic dress which covers the body from head to toe leaving only a gap to see through.

    A spokesman for the DCRI said the figure had been produced quickly and would be followed by a longer, more in-depth study.

    The study also found that the majority of those wearing the burqa were aged under 30 and a quarter of them were French converts to Islam.

    A similar report by the agency the sous-direction de l'information g?n?rale (SDIG) also highlighted that, for French converts, wearing the burqa was a gesture designed to provoke reactions.

    The SDIG study concluded that most Muslims did not like the burqa and saw its defenders as a "cult."

    Nonetheless, many muslims leaders have voiced concern at the possibility of a law to ban the burqa.

    The commission investigating the burqa and attitudes to it will report back at the end of the year.

    http://www.connexionfrance.com/news_articles.php?id=956

    In other words: Banning the Burka would be exactly what those cultists want us to do. So they can say "look how oppressed we are and how they discriminate against muslims" and then recruit followers.
  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #67 - August 26, 2009, 10:51 PM

    The 'burkha bandits': Robbers armed with knives and an axe wear Muslim dress to raid stores

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209006/Jewellers-robbery-Oxfordshire-burka-clad-man--150-000-designer-watches-stolen.html

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #68 - August 26, 2009, 10:55 PM

    Burka's should be banned everywhere except for at kinky sex parties.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #69 - August 27, 2009, 12:34 AM

    No banning of any clothing including burka or niqab. God forbid we give the state more power than need be. What next? They dictate to us what we can and cannot wear.

    Counter productive and stupid, it will work in the favour of Islamists and seen as targeting Muslims only and how 'oppressed' they are

    Education will do more than a ban.

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  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #70 - July 24, 2012, 05:00 PM

    so.. how does a 14 year old boy buy liquor in toronto....... burka!!!

    things that make ya go .. hmmmmm?


    http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/07/24/20020511.html



    TORONTO - Three liquor stores in the Greater Toronto Area recently sold booze to a 14-year-old boy whose identity was hidden because he was wearing a full-length burka and face veil at the time.

    The teenager, clad in an Islamic female's traditional garb of a burka, headscarf and facial covering, shopped in three different LCBO stores north of Toronto last Wednesday.

    In each location, the Grade 8 student paid cash for a bottle of sambuca liqueur.

    Ontario's Liquor Licence Act requires that before liquor is sold, government-issued photo I.D. -- a drivers licence, for example -- must be inspected if the buyer is suspected of being under the legal drinking age of 19.

    Under the LCBO's Check 25 program, employees can ask for ID from people who appear under age 25 -- a policy implemented in 1997 to prevent young people who appear older than their actual age from purchasing alcohol.

    The stunt was co-ordinated and video recorded by Sun News host David Menzies, who has made a career out of lambasting Canada's politically correct institutions.  
      

    Menzies said the unopened bottles -- totalling just over $80 -- were promptly taken from the teen at the day's end but suggested the fact the boy was never asked to uncover his face or show photo identification at multiple store locations reveals a deeply ingrained reluctance on the part of Canadian institutions to challenge cultural practices, even when they conflict with broader societal goals such as preventing underage drinking. "The reason why you have to unveil is that is photo ID is absolutely useless if you don't see the actual face of the person," said Menzies, adding he came up with the idea after an acquaintance told him he had seen this happen at various LCBO locations.

    "They didn't ask for an unveiling, and they didn't even ask for (photo identification) ... You say you're socially responsible, you have the policy codified ... but nobody follows it," Menzies said Monday.


    Sun News Network's David Menzies films a 14-year-old boy wearing a burka at an LCBO outlet last week. The boy was able to buy liquor at three GTA stores.

    LCBO spokesman Chris Layton said in an e-mail that employees have a responsibility to view customers' faces as part of the age-verification process, and if a customer's face is covered, "Staff are required to ask the customer to remove the covering."

    This includes religious face coverings, as well, Layton later said in a phone interview.

    "Maybe we need to remind our staff of their obligations under the Liquor Licence Act," Layton said, insisting that the employees may have been trying to be "culturally sensitive" in each situation.

    "The last thing we want is minors purchasing alcohol ... That would be something we would certainly want to look into."

    In his earlier e-mail, Layton mentioned past examples of customers attempting to buy booze with their faces covered, such as "a customer wearing a full-face helmet," and another wearing a Halloween mask. These customers, however, were told to reveal themselves.

    Menzies, long a critic of the LCBO's "monopoly" over liquor sales in the province, attempted to meet with liquor board officials early Monday morning to ask why they were not enforcing their own policy but was sent an e-mail from Layton stating that stores "comply with the requirements of the Liquor License Act," and that they were not interested in discussing the matter on camera.

    Menzies added that it is ironic that the LCBO places a strangle hold on the sale of liquor because it considers it a potentially dangerous and addictive substance, but that a 14-year-old burka-wearing teen can easily purchase booze at three of its stores, on the same day.

    He then pointed to some jurisdictions in the United States where private retailers can sell booze but face stiff penalties if caught selling any of it to minors.

    In the state of Oregon, grocery stores can sell beer, wine and spirits but face a month-long suspension and possible criminal charge if caught for a third time selling booze to an underager.

    And in Alabama, a private retailer can face a $1,000 fine, suspension, or the complete revocation of their liquor licence if caught selling to an underage person three times.

    terry.davidson@sunmedia.ca
  • Re: Ban the Burka/Niqab?
     Reply #71 - July 24, 2012, 05:47 PM

    Just a few points

    1.  We do not live in a libertarian paradise.  I can't walk around in public naked.  Many drugs are illegal.  Professions like healthcare and education are often monopolized... so let's stop with the extreme freedom arguments.

    2. Islamism is an active social and political movement that more often than not runs counter to the western ideas of the social and political sphere.

    I absolutely think the niqaab and burka should be banned.  However, I do think it is a reactionary measure that is a little late.  But perhaps better late than never.  Though it might backfire at this point.  Historically, you almost never saw the niqaab being worn in the west while Muslims were a small minority.  It always occurs after the islamic community establishes itself.  The West failed horribly in integrating and preventing the creation of a sub-culture of islamism.

    I don't think it an unreasonable violation of freedom to ban the niqaab.  Hey, I'm in Canada, and my government can make me wear a bicycle helmet while cycling, make me wear a seatbelt while driving a car, ban transfats, tax away half my income, stop me from spanking my kids, stop me from smoking a plant... they have the right to demand I show my face in public.

    For both anti-islamist and security reasons, the niqaab should be banned 100%.

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