Why I Based Superheros on Islam

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Why I Based Superheros on Islam
OP - July 04, 2009, 02:03 PM

The creator of a bestselling comic designed to show the world the tolerant and peaceful face of Islam has written an open letter to his young sons explaining how the project grew out of 9/11...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8127699.stm
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Reply #1 - July 04, 2009, 02:08 PM

Until I see a woman on there with a cat suit this comic will annoy me with it's utter hypocrisy and sexism.

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Reply #2 - July 04, 2009, 03:02 PM

Things like this always made me cringe when I was a Muslim. (and they still do lol)
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Reply #3 - July 04, 2009, 03:25 PM

Its a little embarassing to be honest. But it links into a wider problem, and that is the low self-esteem of Muslims in the modern world. The way that they have been conditioned to think of Islam and themselves, as the most perfect paradigm, the highest of humanity.....when they begin to see how that is not the case, there is cognitive dissonance, there is fury, there is denial, there is a problem of self-esteem. This can lead to a curious mixture of inferiority and superiority complex. But it is rooted in the low self-esteem that Muslims have in the modern world when confronted with how what they have been taught to believe is ridiculed by the reality of modern life.

Like most problems that Muslims face, it is self-generating, self-created.

It's not a surprise to see the BBC run with this, they do alot to pander to these kinds of self-esteem exercises.

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Reply #4 - July 04, 2009, 11:19 PM

A stupid idea. 99 superheroes for the 99 names of Allah. LOL.

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Reply #5 - July 05, 2009, 12:19 AM

So this does beg the question: Since these 99 characters are based from 99 names of Allah, is there a character then named "Allah"?

That, shall be interesting indeed.

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Reply #6 - July 05, 2009, 08:21 AM

Quote from: Tommy on July 05, 2009, 12:19 AM
So this does beg the question: Since these 99 characters are based from 99 names of Allah, is there a character then named "Allah"?

Lol. Thinking of it, I expect some hardcore Muslims to pronounce a death fatwa upon the poor guy. Superheroes bearing the names of Allah sound like major blasphemy to me. The guy seems to be genuinely well-meaning, if misguided.

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Reply #7 - July 05, 2009, 09:27 AM

For once I agree with you, Zaephon! That's what I thought, that sounded massively blasphemous.

But wouldn't you prefer it if there were more Muslims like him, and less of the sectarian, literalist types.

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Reply #8 - July 05, 2009, 07:46 PM

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But wouldn't you prefer it if there were more Muslims like him, and less of the sectarian, literalist types.

I'd prefer less Muslims and more apostates.

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Reply #9 - July 07, 2009, 07:42 AM

Quote from: Zaephon on July 05, 2009, 08:21 AM
Superheroes bearing the names of Allah sound like major blasphemy to me.

Yeah it's known as a "Shirk." Sunnis usually accuse Sufis of this.

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Reply #10 - July 07, 2009, 08:12 AM

Quote from: billy on July 04, 2009, 03:25 PM
But it links into a wider problem, and that is the low self-esteem of Muslims in the modern world. The way that they have been conditioned to think of Islam and themselves, as the most perfect paradigm, the highest of humanity.....when they begin to see how that is not the case, there is cognitive dissonance, there is fury, there is denial, there is a problem of self-esteem. This can lead to a curious mixture of inferiority and superiority complex. But it is rooted in the low self-esteem that Muslims have in the modern world when confronted with how what they have been taught to believe is ridiculed by the reality of modern life.

Well put

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Reply #11 - July 07, 2009, 08:14 AM

Quote from: aliadiere on July 05, 2009, 09:27 AM
For once I agree with you, Zaephon! That's what I thought, that sounded massively blasphemous.

But wouldn't you prefer it if there were more Muslims like him, and less of the sectarian, literalist types.

Its inevitable, but will only prolong the demise of Islam.

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Reply #12 - July 07, 2009, 01:32 PM

Modern Islam doesn't have to confine to stereotypes propogated by the Quran anymore. Muslims can be as cool and as unislamic as anyone else.

Check out this new "Muslim" boy band.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8101183.stm

"I think people will not necessarily see us as three Muslims on stage"

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Reply #13 - July 07, 2009, 01:49 PM

Aliadere, I'm with ya. I see this as a good thing. Look, mass apostasy is not going to happen anytime soon, so people can stop fantasizing about that-- the best hope for liberation of the Muslim world is a major refrom movement from within Islam.

That bein said, both you and Zaephon are using "less" when you should be using "fewer".

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Reply #14 - July 07, 2009, 01:56 PM

Do you think, it's mere coincidence that the only white American guy is "DARR - THE AFFLICTER"?

http://www.the99.org/art-1-33-Articles-1-9-325,ckl

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Reply #15 - July 07, 2009, 02:04 PM

Well, they come from 99 different countries, so yeah, he's the only American guy. As far as being coincidence, who knows? When it comes to stuff like this it's always difficult to tell how much and what to read into-- separating the symbolism from stuff that's just pure comic book fantasy.

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Reply #16 - July 07, 2009, 02:27 PM

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Aliadere, I'm with ya. I see this as a good thing.

Moderate Islam is an oxymoron and can only be the means, not the end. Most of the Islamist politicians in Turkey --outwardly, at least-- call themselves "reformists" if that means anything to you. I want nothing less than an absolutely secular government. Islamists are criminals and must be treated as such. I do support the Islamic reformists in other Muslim countries though, Iran for example, because they lack the "totally secular" option.

When secularists are powerful enough, they should and they will break free from moderate/reformist Muslims, of course. I do not oppose Islamic reformists, but I am not a reformist. My sympathy belongs to secularists, socialists, secular nationalists, heterodox Muslims, and non-Muslim groups who oppose Islamists altogether.

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a major refrom movement from within Islam.

Yes, I would really support a "refrom" movement.

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Reply #17 - July 07, 2009, 02:44 PM

Problems with the edit function, so I couldn't correct the misspelling which I noticed immediately after posting.

Means or end is irrelevant-- it's the only real option.

Now perhaps a moderate revolution or evolution in Islam, will, like in Christendom, eventually lead to a more secular society in general, but society will not just go from conservative or reactionary Islam to secularism, and, as the experience of your country shows (and mine, to a lesser extent), secular government has a difficult time staying absolutely secular if the society is religiously conservative. In your country it required military force to maintain secular government, as it does in Algeria today. In my country, historically Federal government was free from religious influence, but state and local government most certainly was not, and as it became clear that the Federal government was becoming the dominant institution in the mid-20th century, the conservative and evangelical Christians responded accordingly by working to exercise influence at the Federal level-- ever since the Knights of Columbus convinced the Federal government to put "In God We Trust" on all currency, our Federal government, while still predominately secular, has ceased to be absolutely secular.

The society has to be fairly secular for absolutely secular government to survive, and the first step towards that in the Muslim world needs to be a moderation of mainstream Islam.

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