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  • Syria amends honour killing law
     OP - July 05, 2009, 12:47 PM

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    Syria has scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences handed down to men convicted of killing female relatives they suspect of having illicit sex.
    Women's groups had long demanded that Article 548 be scrapped, arguing it decriminalised "honour" killings.

    Activists say some 200 women are killed each year in honour cases by men who expect lenient treatment under the law.

    The new law replaces the existing maximum sentence of one year in jail with a minimum jail term of two years.

    Justice Minister Ahmad Hamoud Younis said the change was made by the decree of President Bashar al-Assad, following a recent increase in "wife-killings... on the pretext of adultery".

    The new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour "provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing".

    The legislation covers any man who "unintentionally" kills his wife, sister, daughter or mother after catching her committing adultery or having unlawful sex. It also covers cases where the woman's lover is killed.

    Reports say women's rights activists have given a cautious welcome to the change, with one group calling it a "small contribution to solving the problem".

    Their objection remains, however, that the new law still apparently invites men to murder women if they catch them having sex or suspect them of doing so.


    Sadly, I don't think this is going to change the ingrained mindset of Syrians.  More likely the killers will get more time to be congratulated and treated like royalty in prison.  Sigh...  Huh?

    Source:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8130639.stm

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #1 - July 05, 2009, 12:56 PM

    Well at least it takes away a huge psychological factor that may have facilitated many such murders.

    How disgusting that such an article even existed - awful!
  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #2 - July 05, 2009, 12:57 PM

    It's not enough, nowhere near enough.  finmad

    Am I supposed to rejoice at this move?  I find I can not feel happy even a little because it still gives them far too much leniency.  Honour killing should be classed as murder, pure and simple.  Anything less makes me so fucking mad.  finmad

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #3 - July 05, 2009, 02:18 PM

    Honour Shmonour, if your wife fucks someone else then she clearly does not want you anymore! Just leave her and find someone better!!! Can't they see it this way? I wonder if a women kills her cheating husband is treated the same, or does she take a life sentence?

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #4 - July 05, 2009, 05:15 PM

    This whole concept of honour in Islamic societies really really gets my goat. And the family honour is always maintained through the women of the family. If a man marries a woman who the family do not want him to get married to, the family will probably get over it. If a woman does the same, she will probably be ostracised from the family, or even worse, killed. Men have sex out of marriage all the time, but should a woman do it, she should not be expected to live.

    I would like to think that this would make a difference, but in a societies where honour crimes are so ingrained, I doubt it will. And as you said, Berbs, 2 years in prison is nowhere near enough of a punishment or deterrant and more needs to be done to prevent this. There will still be honour killings going unpunished because family members will not testify and there will be a lack of evidence.


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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #5 - July 05, 2009, 05:20 PM

    In the eastern society.... It is still a man's world am afraid!  finmad

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #6 - July 05, 2009, 09:52 PM

    It's not enough, nowhere near enough.  finmad

    Am I supposed to rejoice at this move?  I find I can not feel happy even a little because it still gives them far too much leniency.  Honour killing should be classed as murder, pure and simple.  Anything less makes me so fucking mad.  finmad

    Bold bit says it all. Syrian law is pathetic on this issue.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #7 - July 11, 2009, 09:46 PM

    Wow one year to two years! What a brilliant change! I'm sure the women are thrilled!
  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #8 - July 11, 2009, 11:09 PM

    What I'd like to know is what would be the minimum penalty if a Syrian women killed her husband because he had been screwing around.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #9 - July 11, 2009, 11:28 PM

    Cant be that bad a penalty, given that Muhammed shagged his domestic slave and a 9 year old girl, and history rewarded him with prophethood and went on to became one of the most powerful & revered men of all time.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #10 - July 22, 2009, 05:51 AM

    He became one of the most revered men of all time because he taught the world that it is based on mercy.
  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #11 - July 22, 2009, 07:17 AM

    He became one of the most revered men of all time because he taught the world that it is based on mercy.

    His mercy - Are you joking?  Please list here examples of his mercy.  When I was a muslim, the only reason i believed him was because I was told I had to.  When I was old enough to independently use my brain, I soon realised that he was a murderous tyrant with a child fetish.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #12 - July 22, 2009, 09:54 AM

    He became one of the most revered men of all time because he taught the world that it is based on mercy.

    Then I don't want any of this "mercy" please. Thank you.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #13 - July 22, 2009, 12:10 PM

    He became one of the most revered men of all time because he taught the world that it is based on mercy.

    84 Ghazwa - Raid in the last 10yrs of his life.
    Performed Stoning till his family and followers had to remove the stoning verse before they make it to the koran.
    Asked for some killers to be splayed open in the sun, tortured, and no water given to them till they died.

    muhammad taught a lot of things, mercy is not one of them.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #14 - July 22, 2009, 12:38 PM

    Or when Muhammad the Most Merciful tortured one of the Jewish leaders by burning a fire on his chest to discover the whereabouts of treasure of Khaybar, and then struck of his head for fine measure.

    Please dont preach to me about his mercy  Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #15 - July 22, 2009, 01:32 PM

    But, but... those ahadith contradict the concept of mercy, so they are weak and can be rejected. Just focus on the ahadith and verses that agree with justice and mercy! Afro

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #16 - July 26, 2009, 10:38 AM

    and you people just won't look past the fact that you are nothing but haters.

    I am quite sure I can not convince any of you of how simply bias you are because of all your focused rage over some quite insignificant issues.
  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #17 - July 26, 2009, 11:11 AM

    The current state of the Islamic world is not an insignificant issue, nor is not of our making.  You managed that feat quite simply by yourselves. 

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #18 - July 26, 2009, 10:26 PM

    and you people just won't look past the fact that you are nothing but haters.

    I am quite sure I can not convince any of you of how simply bias you are because of all your focused rage over some quite insignificant issues.

    Murdering thousands of women every year simply because they either choose to make their own decisions, or even because someone suspects that they might want to make their own decisions, is not an "insignificant issue".

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #19 - July 27, 2009, 11:52 AM

    and you people just won't look past the fact that you are nothing but haters.

    I am quite sure I can not convince any of you of how simply bias you are because of all your focused rage over some quite insignificant issues.


    John, this is not an insignificant issue. Honour killings are a  massive problem and you know it; and you are just trying to get out of a sticky situation by calling us haters.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #20 - July 27, 2009, 01:02 PM

    It is simply ridiculous to label an issue that is being discussed: "insignificant" just because it remotely touches on a religion and it's believers. No, it's downright offensive, look at things objectively, accept criticism and allow us all to talk about matters that affect the human condition collectively without having to tread on egg shells.

    I don't know your background John, but your opinion on honor killings would be different if you lived in a Muslim country. I did, and I can tell you that nothing could be further than the truth.

    I once had my paternal aunt tell me that my mother deserved to be killed and should have had her dad kill her with his own hands for refusing to wear the hijab, I asked her why, she told me that it's how things are done, the family have the right to protect their honor and decency and any "weed that threatens the health of the flower should be pruned". She also told me that under Syrian law (my aunt lives in Syria) honor killings are given judicial sympathy, and often left unreported.

    People were outraged when they found out that under Syrian law if a man catches a woman who is his relative committing adultery and murders her without premeditation the man is free of sentence. Yet this is only the top of the moundhill, worse things happen. Honor killings happen with fulll premeditation and the man often pleads the "anger" defence, either gets away with it or pays a small bribe to the judge (the foundation of Syrian beauracracy is bribery). Of course, that law has been "reformed" but the reform is probably a quickfix in response to Western eyes and anger, and, I doubt it will make a difference in most cases. To show you how corrupt and quick Syrian law can be amended, the constitution states that no president can be sworn in if they are under 40 years of age. Bashar Al Assad was 34 when his father died and the caretaker president stepped down, they held a quick session, and in under 2 minutes they made a vote to change the constitution on this matter from 40 years of age to 34 (convenient isn't it?) The motion was passed unanimously and the constitution was changed in two minutes. This shows that this "reform" is an effortless lie.

    And Syria is meant to be one of the more liberal and secular countries of the Middle East, imagine Saudi Arabia or Iran!

    Now, if you have any self respect and decency, you will not refer to issues such as honor killing as insignificant or unimportant, just because you have an agenda doesn't give you an excuse to completely p*ss on important humanitarian issues.

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #21 - July 27, 2009, 01:39 PM

    take a chill pill,
    i meant the forum in general.
  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #22 - July 27, 2009, 02:26 PM

    B4 you reek any more havoc, newbies normally take a moment to introduce themselves.  ALso why is everyone calling you John?  Is that you name?

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #23 - July 27, 2009, 03:08 PM

    B4 you reek any more havoc, newbies normally take a moment to introduce themselves.  ALso why is everyone calling you John?  Is that you name?


    Sorry, its just an expression - its like calling someone "mate"

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #24 - July 27, 2009, 03:53 PM

    Ah, I usually use Oscar or Mildred but John is fine too   Smiley

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  • Re: Syria amends honour killing law
     Reply #25 - July 27, 2009, 10:24 PM

    take a chill pill,
    i meant the forum in general.

    You still don't have a point.

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