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  • FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     OP - July 23, 2009, 01:28 PM

    Thread Title: Im outta here

    "Either it's because no one cares anymore or it's because of the turn this site is taking

    But it's failing faster than a Muslim's argument.

    Frankly, things have happened recently in real life that I don't want to talk about that make me no longer care about whether or not Muslims leave Islam. It doesn't matter anyway, most ex-Muslims remain Muslims in character and behaivour, so basically deconversion is as futile as eating grass.

    Regrow a spine FFI, stop letting little fence sitting fools like Debunker define you, I'm sick of this shit quite frankly. It's not just him, it's also the sellouts who pretend that Islam has many interpretations and belong on that poser site they call COEM. This site used to be something, back in the day when people were honest about what was what. I am grateful to the folks that helped me leave Islam but now this site is a complete waste of bandwidth.

    Anyway, best solution to get rid of Islam right now is just outlaw it, Muslims will always be Muslims and most ex-Muslims the same, it's just a fucking shame that the rest of the world is going to sit there and take it.

    I used to care, I used to take that Robert Spencer position that we should do something about now while we can rather than letting it boil over, well, let it boil over! I'm sick of it and when that day of blood bath comes I won't shed a tear. Because they had their chance.

    Please lock this thread afterwards, think about it people. Stop caring.

    Bye."

    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2626

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #1 - July 23, 2009, 01:50 PM

    he always was a little unstable - I remember him leaving COEM in a similar fashion

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #2 - July 23, 2009, 01:51 PM

    That guy was never ever a muslim.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #3 - July 23, 2009, 01:51 PM

    he was

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #4 - July 23, 2009, 01:58 PM

    No, he says he was, I say he never was.

    Without fail every ex muslim I have met online has has something about them that just speaks to the ex muslim in me, and finally free never had that.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #5 - July 23, 2009, 02:13 PM

    Interesting point - he does seem a little too anxious to get the "final battle" going.

    In addition, the "once a Muslim, always a Muslim" schtick isn't usually pushed by ex-muslims (which is why I tended to doubt Ali Sina's claim that he had been a Muslim.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #6 - July 23, 2009, 02:18 PM

    Why does he get his knickers in a twist if people disagree with him? I think the best thing about being an ex muslim is there is no dogma and everyone is allowed differing opinions.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #7 - July 23, 2009, 02:19 PM

    Interesting point - he does seem a little too anxious to get the "final battle" going.

    In addition, the "once a Muslim, always a Muslim" schtick isn't usually pushed by ex-muslims (which is why I tended to doubt Ali Sina's claim that he had been a Muslim.


     Afro Pretty much.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #8 - July 23, 2009, 02:22 PM

    I see what you mean, but I have been privy to some other info (we spoke via pm for a while), and without saying what he said, I doubt thats true.  He is just in a very angry place right now.

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #9 - July 23, 2009, 02:28 PM

    I'm starting to hear Ex-Muslims being accused of still being a Muslim underneath quite a lot now. I never realized how popular that opinion was. Well I suppose I learnt a lot of good things from Islam and those things I will take away with me forever. Why would I want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? The fact is, Islam isn't pure evil. That's the point you need to rememeber. If Islam was pure evil, then I would understand his beef, but it isn't.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #10 - July 23, 2009, 02:35 PM

    A lot of these accusations can be narrowed down to two things

    1. the Taqqiya libel - if Muslims are allowed/ordered to lie about their religion why should we believe anyone who claims they're ex-muslims?

    2. Related to this first point, ex-muslims are required to be more royalist than the king since they know the truth about the evil religion. Any Muslim who goes soft or speaks out against hatred towards muslims becomes suspect.

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #11 - July 23, 2009, 02:46 PM

    I'm starting to hear Ex-Muslims being accused of still being a Muslim underneath quite a lot now. I never realized how popular that opinion was. Well I suppose I learnt a lot of good things from Islam and those things I will take away with me forever. Why would I want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? The fact is, Islam isn't pure evil. That's the point you need to rememeber. If Islam was pure evil, then I would understand his beef, but it isn't.

    Exactly.

    Quote from: me in shoutbox
    I go into the "not muslim anymore" room on paltalk, which i possibly the only exmuslim to ever walk in there, the rest are fundy chrsitians, who accuse me of still being muslim Roll Eyes

    If you have a balanced and sane opinion on Islam and muslims, and not a rabid hatred, then you're still under it's spell, employing the powers of Taqiyya! Roll Eyes

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #12 - July 23, 2009, 02:52 PM

    I'm starting to hear Ex-Muslims being accused of still being a Muslim underneath quite a lot now. I never realized how popular that opinion was. Well I suppose I learnt a lot of good things from Islam and those things I will take away with me forever. Why would I want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? The fact is, Islam isn't pure evil. That's the point you need to rememeber. If Islam was pure evil, then I would understand his beef, but it isn't.

    I can understand his beef with religion, that does not mean to say he believes Islam is pure evil.  He is guilty of over-exaggeration and projecting all of the world's problems and his own onto Islam.  

    Sometimes I can be guilty of doing just that, particularly when surrounded by like-minded individuals and nothing to self-check my behaviour.  I understand him, I just dont agree with him.

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #13 - July 23, 2009, 02:55 PM

    it's also the sellouts who pretend that Islam has many interpretations and belong on that poser site they call COEM.


    Of course there's only one interpretation of Islam.

    As every Muslim will tell you, it's their interpretation - everyone else's is wrong!

     Wink

  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #14 - July 23, 2009, 03:02 PM

    No, he says he was, I say he never was.

    Without fail every ex muslim I have met online has has something about them that just speaks to the ex muslim in me, and finally free never had that.




    I can't recall what thread it was on, but I'd asked FinallyFree about his background and he said that he was born in the UK and his parents, while nominally Muslim, were basically secular, and I think he also said (or at least implied) that they did not live in a Muslim community either. I didn't mention it at the time, but I thought it was kind of dishonest for someone to go by the handle "FinallyFree" on an ex-Muslim site when he was never under the oppressive hand of Islam in the first place, unlike others here who really have suffered and had to liberate themselves. Apparently the only thing he "freed" himself of was having a dad named Mohammed with dark, skin, because, by his own admission, he did not grow up in a religious household or community.

    fuck you
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #15 - July 23, 2009, 03:09 PM

    I dont remember him saying his dad was secular? From what I remember I think he spent much of his early adulthood in an Arab country.

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #16 - July 23, 2009, 03:17 PM


    If this forum was an university or a conference room, FinallyFree would've probably shot up the place   Roll Eyes

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #17 - July 23, 2009, 03:40 PM

    Quote from: IsLame
    I dont remember him saying his dad was secular? From what I remember I think he spent much of his early adulthood in an Arab country.

    If I remember correctly, he told me that his parents were religious, and would react very badly if they learned about his apostasy.

    Quote from: Q-Man
    I didn't mention it at the time, but I thought it was kind of dishonest for someone to go by the handle "FinallyFree" on an ex-Muslim site when he was never under the oppressive hand of Islam in the first place, unlike others here who really have suffered and had to liberate themselves.

    You cannot make such a funny judgement without knowing what he's been through.

    Quote from: Hassan
    Of course there's only one interpretation of Islam.

    Islam is what the Quran says.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #18 - July 23, 2009, 03:42 PM

    I dont remember him saying his dad was secular? From what I remember I think he spent much of his early adulthood in an Arab country.


    Then he gave you a different story than he gave me. He plainly told me he was born and raised in the UK and that his family wasn't very religious and moved to the UK back when there weren't many Muslims living there. I wish I could remember the thread this was on.

    fuck you
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #19 - July 23, 2009, 03:48 PM

    Islam is what the Quran says.


    Islam is interpretation of what the Qur'an and the hadith says. Hence the many different schools of thought and sects.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #20 - July 23, 2009, 04:13 PM

    Islam is interpretation of what the Qur'an and the hadith says. Hence the many different schools of thought and sects.

    Yes, but you have to accept that the literal version in the wrong hands is a recipe for disaster.  And that is what worries him.  What he is missing is that humans have very creative minds and with education we can neutralise its threat to a degree.

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #21 - July 23, 2009, 04:17 PM

    A lot of these accusations can be narrowed down to two things

    1. the Taqqiya libel - if Muslims are allowed/ordered to lie about their religion why should we believe anyone who claims they're ex-muslims?

    Taqqiya is only acceptable in times of extreme danger, imo an internet forum doesnt count.

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #22 - July 23, 2009, 05:05 PM

    FInallyFree - as you're online at the moment, perhaps you can clear this up for us?

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #23 - July 23, 2009, 05:12 PM

    Islam is interpretation of what the Qur'an and the hadith says. Hence the many different schools of thought and sects.

    There is only so much scope for interpretation of the Quran and Hadith.

    All of the major schools of thought will unanmously agree on most things.

    .
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #24 - July 23, 2009, 05:17 PM

    There is only so much scope for interpretation of the Quran and Hadith.

    All of the major schools of thought will unanmously agree on most things.


    Not true.  Which major schools do those named below agree with?  

    If you still believe its true, try telling

    BMZ that the ahadith are false
    ;Kope that hindus are not muslims
    ;and marleya that she just cant pick and choose what her conscience tells her to agree with

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  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #25 - July 23, 2009, 05:28 PM

    FinallyFree's testimonial can be found here
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #26 - July 23, 2009, 05:31 PM

    Bear with me all-line speed very slow for the moment.

    It seems like yesterday when I was on here doing what I'm doing now, some comments of mine having been posted and me defending them.

    This time I won't, these comments were attrocious, even as I read them now I am filled with guilt and genuine sadness, what was I thinking? I wasn't. Something dreadful was happening in my life at the time, a certain family member had just been diagnosed with ovary cancer, pretty serious ovary cancer actually and I was depressed, I was also bored and tired of drama so for some reason I decided to spend time on the net, bad idea. I said a few stupid things on FFI and then the reaction was justifyably loud and harsh, I then said some even more stupid things. The other thing is I have some kind of social illness, I don't know what it is because I try to keep it hidden. At first I thought it was a mild form of OCD, but it's more serious and aggressive now. I get this from a maternal genatic line of mental defects, my grandmother died of Alzheimers in 2004 and out of 4 of her daughters, 3 of them have personality disorders. Of course, I do have human free will and the ability to type so I'm not trying to spread the blame on something else but as Islame rightly said, I am very instable.

    Comments were rubbish, but I am an ex-Muslim, I will give a quick bio (I have never said otherwise, I haven't lied about my bio and I dont think there is a reason to, sorry if I said something that you misinterpreted Qman but I didnt say what you said I said).

    I was born in the UK to two Syrian immigrants.My mums family is Circassian  (Christian slaves during the Ottoman empire who converted to Islam from the Caucasus-Russia and Georgia). My dads family is Armenian, again, recent Christian converts (in the last 150 years). I did know about my mums family but not my dads, I thought he was just a "Syrian Arab" but it was something he was ashamed of because he was always taught that Armenians are Christian second citizens and thus are inferior. I only found out recently from the black sheep in the family, one of his cousins who is sympathetic.

    Anyway, not relevent, but interesting all the same. My dad was in with the wahhabis when he came to the UK, my mum came from a rich and fairly secular family, secular by Islamic terms that is. My dad raised me wahhabi, until I was 14 all I knew was Wahhabi Islam, which even know I can see as the closest Islam to the scriptures (just saying). My mum went through a hard time but as a good Muslimah just went through it, the marriage was only because she wanted to escape from the boredom of an upperclass life and see the world. Life turned out different I suppose. She managed to stop thinking like a sheep for 5 seconds and got a UK non-Islamic divorce-she was an instant outcast and called a murtad by all her Saudi ex-friends, even though she hadn't renounced Islam at all-but blame the woman is big in all cultures (some more than others)

    Like Islame said, my father moved me to Syria to get me into Islam and because I started resisting his harsh upbringing. Two UK madrassas, one Deobandi and one Barelvi/Sufi couldn't sort me out (both South Asian schools, one in London and one in the East Midlands). I stayed in Syria for 8 months resisting everything and then through a court case my mum got custody and I came back, thankfully.

    My mum isn't secular per se, but rather shirkful of her religion, like those young muslims in the UK who know alcohol is haraam but still drink it, she knows she should wear the hijab, not dress up in business suits and should be praying but she doesnt follow, and she always feels guilty about it. Thats the secular part that Qman might have thought I was referring to, but I didnt have a secular upbringing, it isnt secularism if you feel guilty about what you aren't doing, its non-practising at a personal cost.

    Anyway, sorry for the comments, I am a real-ex Muslim though and I have a lot of problems, trying to deal with them right now in different ways but still, I haven't lied. If you want to test me on Islamic or inner-cultural matters you can and if you want to ask me questions you can. I promise to answer honestly and I put this whole bio here because I wanted to show consistency and truth.

    By the way, I am still against Islam but now understand people see it in different ways  but since the revolution and the oil money it is being seen in a uniformly rigid Wahhabi/Deobandi/Salafi way rather than any other, FFI is wasting away because its just the same old people and thats why I havent been back there, I dont know why Im back here either, but its probably because I find this place fun and the people human.

    That's it. Oh, sorry I made a stink before I went.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #27 - July 23, 2009, 05:33 PM

    Then he gave you a different story than he gave me. He plainly told me he was born and raised in the UK and that his family wasn't very religious and moved to the UK back when there weren't many Muslims living there. I wish I could remember the thread this was on.


    Okay, I found it, and it's not quite how I remember the discussion actually (imagine that-- incorrectly recalling something favorable to your position):

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4792.0

    How the conversation actually went is as follows:

    Quote from: Q-Man
    Let me ask then, how did you become an apostate? Did you immigrate to the UK before or after you became an apostate or were you born in the UK to Muslim parents?



    Quote from: FinallyFree
    I was born in the UK, my parents came at a time when the average person had no idea what Islam was. Also, they settled in-rather-one of them settled in-but I'm not going to get into the story here and now. The situation in the 80s was vastly differant to the situation now.


    So:

    1. He was born in the UK
    2. One of his parents "settled in", which I took to mean integrated with secular British culture

    However:

    1. He did NOT say both of his parents were secular, nor did he even directly state one of them was secular, which was my inference from his statement above.
    2. He did NOT specifically say he was not raised in a Muslim community in the UK, but I think that can be reasonably inferred from his statement above.

    I therefore retract any of the statements I made on this thread about FF's background which were incorrect recollections and/or unfounded speculation.

    Comments were rubbish, but I am an ex-Muslim, I will give a quick bio (I have never said otherwise, I haven't lied about my bio and I dont think there is a reason to, sorry if I said something that you misinterpreted Qman but I didnt say what you said I said).


    Damn, beat me to it.  Smiley

    Well, I do apologize for any inaccurate recollections and/or inaccurate inferences/speculations.

    Thanks for clearing that up for us.

    Honestly, some of the shit you posted on FFI about this place after you left really pissed me off, but if you're apologizing, it's all good as far as I'm concerned. Sorry about your relative and your illness. Best of luck on both.


    fuck you
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #28 - July 23, 2009, 05:35 PM

    Yes, but you have to accept that the literal version in the wrong hands is a recipe for disaster.  And that is what worries him.  What he is missing is that humans have very creative minds and with education we can neutralise its threat to a degree.


    I agree with that totally, and I do agree that the Qur'an was most probably meant to be taken literally. I was just saying that it is incorrect to say that Islam is what the Qur'an says, as there are so many different interpretations and so many different opinions.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: FinallyFree: Meltdown at FFI
     Reply #29 - July 23, 2009, 05:43 PM

    Hello, FF. I see that Q-Man retracted his statements anyway.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
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