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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #60 - November 26, 2009, 08:57 PM
    Where is Marmalade-Lady these days?
    Look not above, there is no answer there;
    Pray not, for no one listens to your prayer;
    Near is as near to God as any Far,
    And Here is just the same deceit as There.

    - Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #61 - November 26, 2009, 09:04 PM
    Quote from: Dr Diavolo on November 26, 2009, 08:57 PM
    Where is Marmalade-Lady these days?


    Yes, hope she's OK - I know she was going through a difficult time.
  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #62 - November 26, 2009, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 26, 2009, 08:53 PM
    I've done a DNA test on myself and I came to discover that my sister and I are 20% Persian.


    Nice, I need to do this. I'm positive I came out of Africa at one point too, by 100% I meant both my rents are Bengali, from Sylhet - the region which accounts for 90% of Indian restaurant owners in the UK the last I heard!

    PS: Yes  she was ranting, and a good rant indeed! How's uni?
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #63 - November 26, 2009, 09:10 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 26, 2009, 08:53 PM
    I think Bangalis in the UK, and in Saudi Arabia tend to have a general low reputation. It's a different picture in the U.S though.


    I don't think this is just coincidence either. Bengali relatives who've made it to LA, Singapore and Australia are more educated and "go it alone" rather than the mass who migrate to destinations where there is a sizable population, e.g. Brick Lane in London. Don't know about all the cities - but just initial thoughts. Relatives in LA hardly pray, or care. Quite different in East London.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #64 - November 26, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 26, 2009, 08:53 PM
    +1.

    I think Bangalis in the UK, and in Saudi Arabia tend to have a general low reputation. It's a different picture in the U.S though.

    No, I think they just get put in the same bracket as Indians & Pakistanis (which is not a great one I might add)

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    Btw, HO, I don't think there is anything such as 100% Bangali blood. Bangladesh's history is much like the history of U.S. Today's Bangladeshis are actually not really natives of the land. Then again, when you think about it, no one really is 100% of any particular race. They are all mixed. I've done a DNA test on myself and I came to discover that my sister and I are 20% Persian.

     
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #65 - November 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
    Guys, speaking of Bengalis in Saudi Arabia, is it true that they get treated like slaves there? I hear they are very ill treated there and are not very much respected. I think this goes for any Desis in that country. Desis in Saudi Arabia holds the same negative stereotype as Mexican and Blacks here in the U.S.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #66 - November 26, 2009, 09:28 PM
    Yep. Well thats if you go there as part of the low-skill labour class.

    We lived in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and they practically treat Bangladeshis like slaves there. No human rights whatsovever. They cart them around to work sites like sheep in trucks (trucks, not buses). They also regularly rape and murder their filipino and bengali maids. We had bangladeshi maids of our own when we were kids and they told us some serious horror stories about workin at Kuwaiti houses.

    We were fine because my dad is an engineer. But still the arabs there look down at you - even if they are fucktards who can barely read!
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #67 - November 26, 2009, 09:33 PM
    I was telling my dad yesterday that because of this, Bangladesh needs to reject Islam. Because Islam really used as a takeover of the Bangladeshi people. Which is why most arabs have this superiority attitude towards Bangalis. I mean, to accept Islam by a Bangali, is like submitting to such attitude. Islam belongs where it came from--the dessert. Islam doesn't belong in Bangladesh, nor does Bangladesh belong to Islam. Surprisingly, he agreed.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #68 - November 26, 2009, 09:42 PM
    lol he agreed?

    I totally agree too. I mean, I still respect our muslim heritage.. but I also deeply respect our buddhist and hindu heritage. Frankly throwing our lot in with "islam" and joining Pakistan was the worst idea ever. Look at how India is advancing. Bangladesh would have been much better off if it were simply part of India and viewed itself as part of Indian civilization, not Islamic.

    But instead we're this poor shite hole who is a source for slave labour for the Arab gulf.  wacko
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #69 - November 26, 2009, 09:46 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 26, 2009, 09:42 PM
    I mean, I still respect our muslim heritage


    You more than me  Tongue

    Quote from: Kafirist on November 26, 2009, 09:42 PM
    .. but I also deeply respect our buddhist and hindu heritage. Frankly throwing our lot in with "islam" and joining Pakistan was the worst idea ever. Look at how India is advancing. Bangladesh would have been much better off if it were simply part of India and viewed itself as part of Indian civilization, not Islamic.

    But instead we're this poor shite hole who is a source for slave labour for the Arab gulf.  wacko


    I think Islam doesn't belong in any desi country. Both Pakistan and Bangladesh would be better off without Islam. I know many Pakistani (some which are my closest friends) think the same way. Bangladesh really needs another revolution.

    This may seem a bit "FFI" of me, and I typically don't think this way, but sometimes I do feel like going to Bangladesh and bombing every Mosque to the ground. Again, this just comes out frustration. I wouldn't actually advocate such actions.

    EDIT: I don't want Bangladesh to be part of an "Indian civilization." It kinda defeats the purpose of our revolution. Bangladesh could learn a hell of a lot from India, Sweden, America, and other countries, but it's an independent country.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #70 - November 26, 2009, 09:57 PM
    Islam does feel sort of out of place in the Bengal region in general. Same for Indonesia and Malaysia.

    I don't think Bengalis would convert is the more Muhamamd-like version of Islam was marketed to them back in the day. You can blame the Sufis for that.

    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #71 - November 26, 2009, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 26, 2009, 09:57 PM
    I don't think Bengalis would convert is the more Muhamamd-like version of Islam was marketed to them back in the day. You can blame the Sufis for that.


    What do you mean?
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #72 - November 26, 2009, 10:02 PM
    *if

    Umm, I'm talking medieval history there. Like back in the day when the Turks and Persians conquered us Islam was marketed to the masses not by your wahabbi arab types but much more nicer sufi persian types who came to Bengal as missionaries. The actual authorities never actually bothered to convert the locals, it was indpendent missionizing sufis from abroad that did.

    And naturally that type of Islam was initially very benign and not the Muhammad's type of Islam. Hence why you see so many sufi Khanqahs and shrines all over Bangladeshi and Bengal. People are still fairly sufi, hence the inabilty for Islamic parties to win any elections.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #73 - November 26, 2009, 10:05 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 26, 2009, 10:02 PM

    And naturally that type of Islam was initially very benign and not the Muhammad's type of Islam. Hence why you see so many sufi Khanqahs and shrines all over Bangladeshi and Bengal. People are still fairly sufi, hence the inabilty for Islamic parties to win any elections.


    +1. And Alhamdulliah for the election part eh?  Cheesy
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #74 - November 26, 2009, 10:10 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 26, 2009, 10:02 PM
    People are still fairly sufi, hence the inabilty for Islamic parties to win any elections.

    Why does being Sufi stop them from winning any elections?  I would have thought it was better than being a wasabi, i mean wahabi, type?
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #75 - November 26, 2009, 10:11 PM
    Because Sufis are generally more secular than the rest. At least, from the ones I've met anyways.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #76 - November 26, 2009, 10:16 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 26, 2009, 10:10 PM
    Why does being Sufi stop them from winning any elections?  I would have thought it was better than being a wasabi, i mean wahabi, type?


    What I meant was that Islamic fundamentalists (Jamaat-e-Islami) in Bangladesh have very little traction among the larger population because of both the secular nature of the people in general and the fact that a large percentage of Bengali Muslims are very sufi-oriented and hence the fundamentalist and political brand of Islam does not really appeal to them.

    The actual Islamists running for elections in that country are *not* sufis, but wahhabists/salafist types.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #77 - November 26, 2009, 10:17 PM
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #78 - November 26, 2009, 10:23 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 26, 2009, 10:16 PM
    What I meant was that Islamic fundamentalists (Jamaat-e-Islami) in Bangladesh have very little traction among the larger population because of both the secular nature of the people in general and the fact that a large percentage of Bengali Muslims are very sufi-oriented and hence the fundamentalist and political brand of Islam does not really appeal to them.

    The actual Islamists running for elections in that country are *not* sufis, but wahhabists/salafist types.


    I heard they are also unpopular because they helped the Pakistani army in the 70's
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #79 - November 26, 2009, 10:26 PM
    Ah yeah. That's actually the bigger reason. They basically led the charge in slaughtering fellow bengalis during that period. Really helped Bengalis understand the heroic values of Islam very very well.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #80 - November 27, 2009, 06:34 AM
    I wish a day comes when Pakistan too discards Islam completely and embraces Humanity first.

    No it does not defeat the whole purpose of "Pakistan was created for Muslims" nonsense.

    So what? Times change, people change. I dont want the past to be reversed because it simply cant be reversed.

    Its about making your future worth the while, and hopefully someday Pakistan will realise its potential to discard religion even if it causes the Jamaat-e-Islami etc to commit suicide. (I would love that too)

     Cheesy
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #81 - November 27, 2009, 06:36 AM
    "even if it causes the Jamaat-e-Islami etc to commit suicide. "

    Haha, that'd be great.  dance
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #82 - November 27, 2009, 06:57 AM
    Quote from: atheist.pk on November 27, 2009, 06:34 AM
    I wish a day comes when Pakistan too discards Islam completely and embraces Humanity first.

    No it does not defeat the whole purpose of "Pakistan was created for Muslims" nonsense.

    So what? Times change, people change. I dont want the past to be reversed because it simply cant be reversed.

    Its about making your future worth the while, and hopefully someday Pakistan will realise its potential to discard religion even if it causes the Jamaat-e-Islami etc to commit suicide. (I would love that too)

     Cheesy


    If Pakistan renounced Islam tomorrow and all Pakistani's became agnostics - it still wouldn't change a backwards people. Cousin marriage, honour killings etc. would still be rampant but now done under a different name.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #83 - November 27, 2009, 07:05 AM
    I spent some years in Bangladesh when my father, who's a diplomat was posted there, I liked quite a few stuff.

    Sometime in future, I'll make a thread about what I liked in Bangladeshi society.  yes

    There're some nice things there too.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #84 - November 27, 2009, 07:17 AM
    Where you from Rashna? Diplomat for what country?

    I have never actually lived in the country. So you probably spend more time in the country than me.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #85 - November 27, 2009, 07:52 AM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 27, 2009, 07:17 AM
    Where you from Rashna? Diplomat for what country?

    I have never actually lived in the country. So you probably spend more time in the country than me.


    India, dad is Indian diplomat.

    I'm an agnostic Zoroastrian, dad is Zoroastrian, mom is Bohri Muslim.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #86 - November 27, 2009, 04:19 PM
    Wow, thats pretty exotic. Parsi Indian I suppose?

    Very cool.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #87 - November 27, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 27, 2009, 04:19 PM
    Wow, thats pretty exotic. Parsi Indian I suppose?

    Very cool.


    Yes, Parsi Indian.  yes Even the Bohra Muslim sect of my mom is somewhat exotic.
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #88 - November 27, 2009, 06:27 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on November 27, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Yes, Parsi Indian.  yes Even the Bohra Muslim sect of my mom is somewhat exotic.


    That's a rare breed... I've heard quite a lot about the Parsis and about their taste for cars, class and high culture...  
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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #89 - November 27, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on November 27, 2009, 07:05 AM
    I spent some years in Bangladesh when my father, who's a diplomat was posted there, I liked quite a few stuff.

    Sometime in future, I'll make a thread about what I liked in Bangladeshi society.  yes

    There're some nice things there too.


    Looking forward to it  Smiley
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