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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #120 - November 29, 2009, 03:11 PM

    I personally think India shouldn't be funding many space programs either.


    I disagree. R&D in space technology ripples the minds of engineers who produce future products. E.g. SatNav
    http://www.nasa.gov/50th/50th_magazine/benefits.html

    Recently I noticed a Google employee poached from NASA and now working on this product that will the the death knell for garmin and tom tom.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8331824.stm
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6462074/Is-Google-Maps-Navigation-a-satnav-killer.html

    So I think it is very important in an age were bright minds end up doing liberal arts because maths isn't fun. They need inspiration.
  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #121 - November 29, 2009, 03:14 PM

    That said - I agree that India has other problem. *cough corruption ahem ... *

    I've met former ISRO employees who work at IT outsourcing companies, who are the golden eggs for the Indian economy.
  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #122 - November 29, 2009, 04:31 PM

    Tolerant as in, "we'll tolerate honour killings"


    Last time I've checked, honor killing in Bangladesh is a crime and is massively intolerable according to the mass.  Are there still such tribal shit that goes on midst of poorer, more Islamic villages? Maybe. But by no means is the BD govt. an Islamic one-- where we tolerate honor killings, as you've attempted to imply.

    Any of my fellow Bangladeshis here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #123 - November 29, 2009, 04:32 PM

    However, as I said to kafirist, I really don't see that much reason to be very welcoming of any illegal immigrants, given that its not that we were Bangladesh's past colonizers, India itself is quite a poor nation & Bangladesh isn't in any sort of turmoil, so if we have a bit more I think its fair that India's people should benefit from those, than any illegal immigrants.


    This is where you lost me. When did anyone here argue that India should be welcoming to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants?

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #124 - November 29, 2009, 04:35 PM

    Last time I've checked, honor killing in Bangladesh is a crime and is massively intolerable according to the mass.  Are there still such tribal shit that goes on midst of poorer, more Islamic villages? Maybe. But by no means is the BD govt. an Islamic one-- where we tolerate honor killings, as you've attempted to imply.

    Any of my fellow Bangladeshis here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


    There are honor killings, but they're extremely rare & treated with universal loathing & disgust-whatever the reason, I know very few in many years, there's no honor killing epidemic.

    I do know that parents who'vetried to kill for some "serious" reasons- like planning to run away with black African tourist(unfortunately parents considered that wrong, I liked that love story) are universally loathed, including by the very devout.

    At most, daughters & some sons are disowned.

    Acid attacks are some problem, honor crimes & even fear of honor killings are rare.  Afro

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #125 - November 29, 2009, 04:35 PM


    It's obvious you don't know a lot about Bangladesh, we're not a middle-eastern country.


    Just about sums up about Kaiwai's understanding of South Asian countries.  parrot

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #126 - November 29, 2009, 04:38 PM

    There are honor killings, but they're extremely rare & treated with universal loathing & disgust-whatever the reason, I know very few in many years, there's no honor killing epidemic.

    I do know that parents who'vetried to kill for some "serious" reasons- like planning to run away with black African tourist(unfortunately parents considered that wrong, I liked that love story) are universally loathed, including by the very devout.

    At most, daughters & some sons are disowned.

    Acid attacks are some problem, honor crimes & even fear of honor killings are rare.  Afro


    Yeah but as I've said, these can be mostly found within poorer villages down south of BD. You'll really have to try your hardest to find something like that taking place in Dhaka. As a whole, it's against the BD law to honor kill, or to commit any crime under the label "honor."


    unfortunately parents considered that wrong, I liked that love story


    Something we have in common.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #127 - November 29, 2009, 04:46 PM

    Yeah but as I've said, these can be mostly found within poorer villages down south of BD. You'll really have to try your hardest to find something like that taking place in Dhaka. As a whole, it's against the BD law to honor kill, or to commit any crime under the label "honor."

    Something we have in common.


    Infact, much of what is blamed as "honor killings" in rural areas are "crimes of passion" which is somewhat different from honor crimes. What happens & I've heard such stuff in Dhaka, that some parents try to lock their daughter up for days, or beat her-even then, they don't often break her bones or disfigure her.If she complains to the cops via telephone, the parents are locked up ASAP & no sympathy,whatever the cause.

    I would term a husband's reaction to wife's infidelity generally a crime of passion, fathers', brothers, uncles crimes are strictly honor crimes. There's a thin line, but its there.


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #128 - November 29, 2009, 04:53 PM

    I would term a husband's reaction to wife's infidelity generally a crime of passion, fathers', brothers, uncles crimes are strictly honor crimes. There's a thin line, but its there.


    Not that I advocate such reactions, but I think you'll find such "crimes" are present in most homes even here in the U.S. These things are very different, than "honor crimes" which involves things like stoning. There is not really any thin line in my opinion (in regards to more educated people in Dhaka). Honor killings are prescribed by Islam and are very different than those petty domestic crimes you just described. Those domestic crimes can even be found within BD Christian and Hindu homes. Same here amongst White and Black Americans.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #129 - November 30, 2009, 04:43 PM




    Quote
    An eternal exile

    By Helle Merete Brix for HRS

    Recently, a human-rights organization in Kolkata, India, held a demonstration in support of author and feminist Taslima Nasrin?s right to return to the city.  Nasrin has been described as a female Salman Rushdie. But before I tell you more about who she is and why she cannot live in Calcutta, allow me to offer a brief geographical footnote: Kolkata, formerly Calcutta, is the capital of the Indian state of West Bengal.  The city is located in eastern India, near Bangladesh. Bangladesh is Taslima Nasrin?s homeland.
       
    Nasrin was born in 1962 into a Muslim family in the city of Mymensingh. She was nine years old when Bangladesh, in 1971, separated from Pakistan and became an independent country.  Nasrin became a doctor like her father, but from a young age was preoccupied with poetry, stories, and fiction.
       
    In 1982 she ran away from home to be married.  And in 1993, the year after her divorce from her third husband, she published the book Shame, which marked a dramatic change in her career as an author ? and in her life.


    Before the book?s publication, Nasrin worked as a gynecologist and published op-eds in Bengali newspapers, often about the unfair living conditions of women.  She had also published poetry and essays and had earned the wrath of radical Muslims because of her criticism of religion and of the oppression of women.  At a book fair, she was physically attacked. 
       
    But with Shame, Nasrin violated a real taboo, for the book tells about Muslims? pogroms and assaults on Hindus in Bangladesh. Shame has also been published in Norwegian.  It was the brave William Nygaard who translated and published it in 1994, the year after he was the object of an assassination attempt because he had published Salman Rushdie?s novel The Satanic Verses.

    Censorship, snakes, and death

    In the autumn of 1993, when Shame came out in Bangladesh, a group called the Islamic Soldiers? Council offered a bounty for the murder of Nasrin. Shame was banned, but managed to sell 50,000 copies undercover.
       
    The next year, 1994, another Islamic group threatened to set poisonous snakes loose in the streets of the Bangladeshi capital of Dhaka if Nasrin was not executed.  Violent demonstrations against her spread across the country.  The Bangladeshi government accused Nasrin of wounding Muslims? religious sensitivities and wanted to have her arrested.  The government has also banned several of Nasrin?s later books.
       
    Nasrin had to spend several months underground.  Under pressure from international human-rights organizations, the government granted permission for her to leave the country.  Nasrin went into exile in Sweden, and thereafter lived in France and the U.S. In 1999 she was allowed for the first time to visit India, where she settled in 2004.  Now she is back in America.
     
    I met Nasrin for the first time in the mid 1990s when she addressed a meeting of the Gyldendal publishing house in Copenhagen.  It was before the names of Ayyan Hirsi Ali, Robert Redeker, Ibn Warraq and others became household words and it was ? perhaps apart from Rushdie?s visit ? rather unusual for an author to have to be protected by the Danish Security and Intelligence Service while giving a speech.  .Nasrin was small in stature, spoke clearly, and seemed quite fearless.  After the meeting, the security people followed her and representatives of PEN out to a waiting car. 
     
    The Koran?s call for terror

    In 2001, I had the opportunity to speak with her at greater length.  A group of Danish women authors invited Nasrin and me to make presentations about Islam, women, culture, and other topics.  On that occasion, no special security arrangements were necessary, even though Nasrin had, at one point, been attack by Muslim students in Britain.
       
    During the visit I wanted to introduce Nasrin to a friend who speaks Bengali and knows the region.  I can still remember how disappointed she was that she wasn?t able to meet him.  At that time she didn?t often get the opportunity to speak her native language with anyone.
       
    Nasrin has written about her homesickness in an essay which appears in a 2002 anthology edited by me and the historian Torben Hansen, Islam in the West.  Nasrin introduces her essay with a poem that includes the lines: "Religion made me leave my own country? and ?made me leave the Brahmaputra River / where the kash flowers dance with the waves / and where I used to storm against the wind.? 
       
    When Nasrin has spoken, in interviews and elsewhere, about Islamic fundamentalism, she has most often directly criticized Islam itself, as in the essay "Islam Is the Greatest Problem Today.?  ?What happened to the World Trade Center on September 11,? she writes, ?is not an isolated story.  Nevertheless, many people claim that what happened has nothing to do with Islam, that Islam is a religion of peace.  No, I do not agree with them at all.  It is not the terrorists who have misunderstood Islam.  They do literally what the Koran encourages them to do.?                 
     
    Forbidden to draw people

    If you go to Nasrin?s website, you can see the many prizes and honors she has received.  Most recently, in November of this year, she was awarded a medal and given the title of ?honorary citizen? of the French city of Lyon.
       
    But her direct criticism of Islam has also made her enemies, including Muslims who are considered liberal.  In the afterword to the Indian edition of the historian Daniel Pipes` 1998 book The Rushdie Affair, the Belgian orientalist Koenraad Elst writes about Taslima Nasrin?s case. Elst mentions that the world-famous Moroccan-French author Tahar Ben Jelloun has accused Nasrin of being a careerist, and that Jelloun is displeased by her desire to revise the Koran.
       
    During her 2001 visit to Denmark, Nasrin told me that although she shared her atheist father?s defense of reason, she felt a strong affinity to her deeply religious mother.  One understands this when one reads her book Meyebela: My Bengali Girlhood: A Memoir of Growing Up Female in a Muslim World.
     
    Although Shame is, content-wise, an important book, it can scarcely be characterized as a literary masterpiece.  By contrast, Meyebela is a beautifully written book.  In it, Nasrin describes a brutal class system, the war of secession, and more.  But what is especially strong is the story about a gifted, dreamy child who grew up in a family with a secular but terribly brutal father and a mother who fled from her husband?s infidelity and despotism into obsessive religiosity.
       
    Nasrin?s father wanted her to spend all her time studying, and he beat her thoroughly if he felt she was being disobedient.  Her mother wanted Nasrin to turn to Allah and took her to a popular preacher who had a great number of female followers.  Among them were young girls who were taken to the preacher because their parents believed that they were up to something that might violate the family?s honor. While under the preacher?s supervision, the girls lived in the broiling heat in a room without windows.  Muhammed, they were told, lived in this fashion.
       
    The girls spent their time learning only about the Koran and hadith.  The preacher believed that Judgment Day was near, and talked the young girls into forgetting worldly things and into not returning to their families when their parents came to take them home after a couple of years to marry a man their parents had selected for them.   


    The book also describes the sexual assaults on Nasrin by two of her uncles.  It describes women who are entirely at the mercy of men.  It describes the fear of Allah?s hellfire.  And it provides specific examples of Islam?s intolerance, such as when Nasrin?s mother refuses to have any more to do with the Hindus in her neighborhood. 
       
    Throughout the book, Nasrin increasingly asks questions about Allah?s and Muhammed?s authority.  But even as a little girl she broke a taboo: she drew a picture of a man rowing a boat. Her color pencils were taken from her.  It is not permitted to draw people, for one cannot give them life.  Only Allah can do that.
     
    House arrest and homesickness

    I 2004, Nasrin was given permission to live in Kolkata in the Indian state of West Bengal, which shares a culture and language with the Bengalis.  There she wrote books and contributed to Indian newspapers.
       
    But in 2007 a Muslim group offered to pay a bounty to any person or persons who decapitated Nasrin. In the same year she was physically attacked by fundamentalists at a book reception.  And after that it just didn?t let up.  A death fatwa was proclaimed.  A demonstration against Nasrin turned violent.  The military had to step in.
     
    The government forced Nasrin to move to New Delhi, where she spent seven months in house arrest. Under hard pressure, the otherwise uncompromising author declared that she would no longer write about Islam.  She also removed a few passages from a controversial book which had infuriated Muslim groups in Kolkata. And she cancelled the publication of the sixth volume in her series of autobiographical books.
       
    But on March 19, 2008, Nasrin was forced to leave India.  Today she lives in New York and is a research fellow at New York University. In June of thi year she wrote to the prime minister of Bangladesh asking to be allowed to return home.

    In an open letter to Sonja Gandhi, the head of the Indian National Congress Party, a group of Italian authors and intellectuals protested against Nasrin?s expulsion from Kolkata   Are such gestures of any use?  I doubt it.  But I certainly wish this author would be allowed to live in the country she wants to live in.  If Muslim-dominated Bangladesh is an impossibility, secular India should give her asylum ? and do what they can to make it possible for Nasrin to live there without a threat of fatwas, expulsion, or censorship.
                                                                                   
    Translated from the Danish by Bruce Bawer


    http://www.rights.no/publisher/publisher.asp?id=59&tekstid=3004

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #130 - November 30, 2009, 04:44 PM

    I liked Humayun Azad. He was like the Richard Dawkins of Bangladesh. Too bad he passed away.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #131 - November 30, 2009, 07:31 PM

    @Rashna

    Yes, I get that you sort of have a view of Bangladeshis as the Mexicans of India. But frankly I don't really know or care of that issue myself. I'm not particularly well-read or experienced about the cross-border migration issues with those two countries. And if you have an axe to grind about that issue take it up with the BD gov't. I have no horse in that race. And yes, India is a far wealthier and advanced nation than Bangladesh and naturally lots of people will migrate there for better oppurtunties.

    But my point was the general issues of poverty and slums and lack of literacy and bad infrastructure are common to all third world countries in South Asia and Sout east asia whether they are muslim or not. And trying to link that with Islam as kawaii did is frankly an astoundingly ignorant and un-backed claim. Islam is not the root of all evil, at least not in Bangladesh.


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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #132 - November 30, 2009, 07:42 PM

    Islam is not the root of all evil, at least not in Bangladesh.


    It is the root of a lot of ignorance in BD though.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #133 - November 30, 2009, 07:51 PM

    No doubt. But it could be worse.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #134 - November 30, 2009, 07:56 PM

    I think right now is more of a reason for Atheists to rise up and take a stance in BD. Bangladesh is already a very moderate Muslim majority country. But the reason why progress in science and just in general academics is not well funded in BD is because of religion. I strongly believe that BD could be like another Switzerland--a country which was once dirt poor but have risen above many countries academically slowly. If Bangladesh modeled itself around the Swiss, we'd see many, much needed, improvement.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #135 - November 30, 2009, 07:59 PM

    Well before all of that Bangladesh would need to get rid of at least 50 million people.

    But then again I guess the over-population is due largely to the fact that the village mullahs fought against birth control for the longest time. Honestly, I know it sounds horrid but a huge chunk of that country's pop needs to sterilized. We won't survive if there isn't a massive population drop.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #136 - November 30, 2009, 08:01 PM

    May seem a bit Stalin of me, but you have a point there. What do you propose we do?

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #137 - November 30, 2009, 08:04 PM

    Lol. We should first meet up in Dhaka and we'll have a lacci and some cocunut juice. Then we'll sit around and pee in open-air sewers. Then we'll just chill on a rickshaw for about 3 hours. Then maybe chase some skirt..erm.. salwar kameez at Boshundara mall. Then we'll think of how to solve world poverity.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #138 - November 30, 2009, 08:06 PM

    Sounds good. Although, I prefer Dhaka college for the salwar qamiz chase.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #139 - November 30, 2009, 08:21 PM

    I know she is not Bangladeshi (still Bengali though), but I would do Bipasha Basu at the drop of a hat  grin12 grin12 grin12

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #140 - November 30, 2009, 08:28 PM

    . Bangladesh is already a very moderate Muslim majority country.


    It does not seem very moderate where Taslima Nasrin is concerned ?

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #141 - November 30, 2009, 08:36 PM

    No it isn't at all. But Taslima Nasreen is a very special case. She made a very big "splash" and was very high profile and intentionally pissed lots of people off. Not that I'm against that and I do think she has every right to. But she just got a whole lot of attention from the Islamists in Bangladesh. Reality is that there are *lots* of openly atheistic and secular intellectuals in Bangladesh and they manage to survive there. Unlike most other Muslim communties, among Bangladeshis you can find a hardcore mullah and a overt atheist at the same dinner party dealing with each other quite peacably.

    At least thats my experience.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #142 - November 30, 2009, 08:50 PM

    It does not seem very moderate where Taslima Nasrin is concerned ?


    Just from one example you came to that conclusion regarding the mass?

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #143 - November 30, 2009, 08:54 PM

    but I would do Bipasha Basu at the drop of a hat  grin12 grin12 grin12


    What's that? Do I hear gang bang? ??

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #144 - November 30, 2009, 09:05 PM

    Unlike most other Muslim communties, among Bangladeshis you can find a hardcore mullah and a overt atheist at the same dinner party dealing with each other quite peacably.

    At least thats my experience.


    Would the mullah be aware of this?  Or is being an atheist over there similar to being gay in Saudi Arabia (i.e. thriving but kept undercover or behind closed doors )?

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #145 - November 30, 2009, 09:10 PM

    Oh yes he would be. I find atheist Bangladeshis very very loud-mouthed at our parties anyways. I mean the typical Bengali politics convos can get heated and result in some shouting between a believer and an atheist but the moment they serve the rice, daal and goat meat the atheist and mullah alike forget their differences quickly and unite in eliminating the the various dishes before the hour is up.

    Bengalis...lol Cheesy

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #146 - November 30, 2009, 09:15 PM

    Mmmmm gorom gorom polao ar khashir mangsho  Wink

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #147 - November 30, 2009, 09:17 PM

    That the good shit fo sho Afro

    Bengalis suck at a lot of things. But serving up some good food ain't one of them.

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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #148 - November 30, 2009, 09:17 PM

    It does not seem very moderate where Taslima Nasrin is concerned ?


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  • Re: Why I am also sick of Bangladeshi society...
     Reply #149 - November 30, 2009, 09:26 PM

    how did you find the experience -  As you expected?

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