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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #90 - August 02, 2009, 08:38 PM

    But he is a pantheist Muslim, something which I thought was an oxymoron.


    Strangely enough I used to secretly wonder if God was in everything when I was a Muslim - In fact I still wonder about that.

    So maybe it is an unconscious belief amongst Muslims that is more common than one might think.
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #91 - August 02, 2009, 09:09 PM

    So how do you know God exists then?

    I have no proof; this has always been difficult, for it is impossible to define God in words. As Allah said:

    "Allah is Single, and He loves that which is single. That is to say, He loves work that is sincerely devoted to Him, without hypocritical display and the pursuit of fame"

    Nevertheless, I do believe there is a way of getting proof of God's existence and the first thing I have to learn by belief in God is to know the source. ?He who knows himself knows Allah and Mutu qabla an tamutu (Die before Death) etc? I guess so.

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #92 - August 02, 2009, 09:10 PM

    Why didnt God gave this book special powers, then I would have believed.  Anything that on its won that would defy the laws of physics.  Something like being able to levitate itself, turns its own pages and recite its own words?

    Which Quran? The book or Kalamullah (Word of God)

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #93 - August 02, 2009, 09:11 PM

    No salam for unbelievers?

    Salam communication from soul to soul, It doesn't matter whether you're an unbeliever or not.  Smiley

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #94 - August 02, 2009, 09:12 PM

    I always had the understanding that it was haram to say salam to unbelievers.

    Who told you that? What are Primary Sources?

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #95 - August 02, 2009, 09:22 PM

    Who told you that? What are Primary Sources?

    http://www.troid.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Itemid=309

    Muhammad said: "Do not precede the Jews and the Christians with Salaams, and if you meet one of them on a street, then force them towards the narrow end. (meaning do not make their passage easy). [related by Abu Hurayrah] [reported by Ahmad, Muslim, Abu Daawood, and Tirmidthee]

    [It has also been mentioned by Imaam Al Bayhaqee in his Sunan, and by Imaam At-Tahaawee, and by the Ameer Al Mu'mineen in Hadeeth, Muhammad Ibn Ismaa'eel Al Bukhaaree in his Adab Al Mufrad]

    Shaykh Al Albaanee has included it in his Ikhtisaar of Saheeh Muslim no. 1432. He has also made its takhreej in Silsilah-al-Ahaadeeth as Saheehah no. 604, Irwaa Al Ghaleel no. 1271.

    He declares it Saheeh in Saheeh Al Jaami' no. 6204.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #96 - August 02, 2009, 10:11 PM

    What is your avatar about, and like you said, how are you different from other Muslims?

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #97 - August 02, 2009, 10:42 PM

    Why didnt God gave this book special powers, then I would have believed.  Anything that on its won that would defy the laws of physics.  Something like being able to levitate itself, turns its own pages and recite its own words?


    something like Harry Potter stuff will do for me! parrot

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #98 - August 03, 2009, 10:06 PM

    What is your avatar about,


    'Be thou blessed with divine light and illuminate the beloved ones of Allah!' It is the illumination of the soul, our invisible being, whose light is reflected within this physical body.

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    and like you said, how are you different from other Muslims?

    One thing impressed me very much, "There is something else I must know that Holy Books (Quran, Bible, Torah, and Psalm etc), dogmas and beliefs cannot teach, something higher and greater that words cannot explain. That is what I want to know".

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #99 - August 03, 2009, 10:10 PM

    I have no proof; this has always been difficult, for it is impossible to define God in words. As Allah said:

    "Allah is Single, and He loves that which is single. That is to say, He loves work that is sincerely devoted to Him, without hypocritical display and the pursuit of fame"

    Nevertheless, I do believe there is a way of getting proof of God's existence and the first thing I have to learn by belief in God is to know the source. ?He who knows himself knows Allah and Mutu qabla an tamutu (Die before Death) etc? I guess so.



    But you have to know that God exists before you take his guidance. Would you take the medical advice of Dr. X if you could not be sure he even existed? Dr. X could have been made up by someone.

    You say (or the Qur'an says) our ignorance regarding the existence of God is simply due to God choosing not to tell us about him because he supposedly is too modest to boast his existence to us. Well, not only is it true that God does not boast his existence to us, but he leaves so few clues that makes it extremely difficult for us (as well as stressful because not only does he leave such few clues of his existence but he also threatens eternal hell if you ignore his existence!) to ascertain whether he exists.

    At any rate, if God really is being modest and humble and therefore he does not want to boast about his magnificence and his existence, then that may be morally praiseworthy of God, just as it may be morally praiseworthy of a human who saved somebody's life but then remained anonymous because he didn't want to boast about his heroic action. This may be morally praiseworthy because it shows that the hero's action was sincere and not motivated by desire for fame. However, imagine if somebody saved somebody from a fire, remained anonymous because he wanted to prove himself to be a truly sincere hero, but then when nobody would recognize him for the heroic action he had done, he raids every person's home in the area, kidnaps them and tortures them over and over again for ever and ever... you wouldn't say that man is humble, you would say he has serious psychological issues.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #100 - August 03, 2009, 10:20 PM

    I asked for the second time
    Quote
    how are you different from other Muslims?


    You answered

    One thing impressed me very much, "There is something else I must know that Holy Books (Quran, Bible, Torah, and Psalm etc), dogmas and beliefs cannot teach, something higher and greater that words cannot explain. That is what I want to know".


    I still dont understand.  Please answer the question in your own words, without relying on quotes from the quran or other sources, to do so on your behalf.

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #101 - August 03, 2009, 11:02 PM

    ."
     
    Btw, May I ask you a question? "if He is in man, where is He to be found, and what part of man's being is considered to be God?" 

    Just curious to know.




    Ask GC, but he's dead..

    I dunno.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #102 - August 03, 2009, 11:21 PM

    Quote from: S.A.M
    what part of man's being is considered to be God?"

     

    the frontal lobe of the brain - thats where he is most imaginative

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #103 - August 04, 2009, 12:24 AM

    http://www.troid.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Itemid=309

    Muhammad said: "Do not precede the Jews and the Christians with Salaams, and if you meet one of them on a street, then force them towards the narrow end. (meaning do not make their passage easy). [related by Abu Hurayrah] [reported by Ahmad, Muslim, Abu Daawood, and Tirmidthee]

    [It has also been mentioned by Imaam Al Bayhaqee in his Sunan, and by Imaam At-Tahaawee, and by the Ameer Al Mu'mineen in Hadeeth, Muhammad Ibn Ismaa'eel Al Bukhaaree in his Adab Al Mufrad]

    Shaykh Al Albaanee has included it in his Ikhtisaar of Saheeh Muslim no. 1432. He has also made its takhreej in Silsilah-al-Ahaadeeth as Saheehah no. 604, Irwaa Al Ghaleel no. 1271.

    He declares it Saheeh in Saheeh Al Jaami' no. 6204.

    Salam? is a Greeting for Non-Muslims | Sheikh Faysal b. Anwar Mawlaw?, Retired Judge|
       

    It is perfectly alright for a non Muslim to greet another person with the Islamic greeting of peace: ?Al-Sal?m `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barak?tuh.?

    However, the non-Muslim will not receive the blessing for the practice that a Muslim does, since the blessing one earns by offering the greeting to someone else comes from emulating the example ? the Sunnah ? of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and a non-Muslim, by definition, does not believe in following the Prophet?s Sunnah as a matter of faith.

    It is also permissible for a Muslim to greet a non Muslim with this greeting. This was asserted by a number of Companions and Successors, including Ibn `Abb?s, Ibn Mas`?d, Ab? Um?mah, Ibn Muh?r?z, and `Umar b. `Abd al-`Az?z. It was also the opinion of many prominent imams, including Sufy?n b. `Uyaynah, al-Sha`b?, al-Awz?`?, and al-Tabar?. Recently, this opinion has been adopted by al-Sayyid Rash?d Rid?? in Tafs?r al-Man?r and al-Shinq?t? in Adw?? al-Bay?n.

    This view is in harmony with how the Qur??n represents the Islamic greeting of peace as a universal greeting.

    Allah says: ?O you who believe! Enter not houses other than your own without first announcing your presence and invoking peace upon the folk thereof. That is better for you, that you may be heedful.? [S?rah al-N?r: 27]

    Allah says: ?And when they hear idle talk they turn aside from it and say: We shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds; peace be on you, we do not desire the ignorant.? [S?rah al-Qasas: 55]

    He says: ?And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, ?Peace!? ? [S?rah al-Furq?n: 63]

    He also says: ?Consider his cry: ?O my Lord! surely they are a people who do not believe?. So turn away from them and say, ?Peace?, for they shall soon come to know.? [S?rah al-Zukhruf: 88-89]

    And: ?(The father) replied: ?Do you hate my gods, O Abraham? If you forbear not, I will indeed stone you: Now get away from me for a good long while!? Abraham said: ?Peace be on thee: I will pray to my Lord for thy forgiveness: for He is to me Most Gracious?.? [S?rah Maryam: 47]

    There is also ample had?th evidence to establish the universality of this greeting.

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ?Greet with ?Peace? those whom you know and those whom you do not know.? [Sah?h al-Bukhar? (12) and Sah?h Muslim (39)]

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) also informed us that when Allah created Adam, He commanded him: ?Go to that assembly ? and they were an assembly of seated angels ? and listen to how they greet you. Indeed, it is your greeting and the greeting of your descendants. He said: ?Peace be upon you.? They said: ?Peace be upon you and Allah?s mercy.? [Sah?h al-Bukh?r? (3326 & 6227) and Sah?h Muslim (2841)]

    The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said: ?Spread the greeting of peace.? [Sunan al-Tirmidh? (1854) and Sah?h Ibn Hibb?n (489)]

    There are many scholars who hold the view that it is either disliked or prohibited for Muslims to initiate the greeting of sal?m with non-Muslims. They rely on the following had?th as evidence: ?Do not initiate the salutation of ?Peace? with the Jews and Christians.? [Sah?h Muslim (2167)]

    However, this had?th relates to a state of hostilities which had erupted at that time against the Muslims. It was, in fact, at the time of the campaign against Ban? Qurayzah. This is established by another authentic had?th where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ?We are going forth in the morning against a group of Jews, so do not initiate the greeting of ?Peace? with them. [Musnad Ahmad (26695) and Mu`jam al-Tabar?n? al-Kab?r (22/291). See also Musnad Ahmad (16844 & 17584)]

    Ibn Hajar al-`Asqal?n? relates the same from al-Bukh?r??s al-Adab al-Mufrad and from Sunan al-Nas??? while discussing this topic in Fath al-B?r? (11/39).

    Therefore, the opinion that the greeting of peace can be used for all people is the strongest one. This view has been held by eminent scholars of all schools of thought. It is certainly the opinion to adopt when living at peace in the company of non-Muslims. Those Muslims who are living in non-Muslim countries should have a concern for outreach. Greeting all people in the best of manner without showing discrimination is an essential etiquette of reaching out to others.

    It is also important to understand that the difference of opinion regarding the greeting of ?sal?m? with non-Muslims pertains only to initiating the greeting, not to replying to it. When a non-Muslim greets a Muslim with ?al-Sal?m `alaykum?, then it is obligatory for the Muslim to return the greeting.

    This is because Allah says: ?When you are greeted with a greeting, greet back with better than it or return it. Lo! Allah takes count of all things.? [S?rah al-Nis??: 86]

    This verse shows that it is preferable to offer a better, more generous greeting and it is obligatory to do justice and to at least return the same. Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah explains in Ahk?m Ahl al-Dhimmah that this ruling certainly applies to non-Muslims as well as Muslims.
     

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #104 - August 04, 2009, 08:37 PM

    But you have to know that God exists before you take his guidance. Would you take the medical advice of Dr. X if you could not be sure he even existed? Dr. X could have been made up by someone.

    You say (or the Qur'an says) our ignorance regarding the existence of God is simply due to God choosing not to tell us about him because he supposedly is too modest to boast his existence to us. Well, not only is it true that God does not boast his existence to us, but he leaves so few clues that makes it extremely difficult for us (as well as stressful because not only does he leave such few clues of his existence but he also threatens eternal hell if you ignore his existence!) to ascertain whether he exists.

    At any rate, if God really is being modest and humble and therefore he does not want to boast about his magnificence and his existence, then that may be morally praiseworthy of God, just as it may be morally praiseworthy of a human who saved somebody's life but then remained anonymous because he didn't want to boast about his heroic action. This may be morally praiseworthy because it shows that the hero's action was sincere and not motivated by desire for fame. However, imagine if somebody saved somebody from a fire, remained anonymous because he wanted to prove himself to be a truly sincere hero, but then when nobody would recognize him for the heroic action he had done, he raids every person's home in the area, kidnaps them and tortures them over and over again for ever and ever... you wouldn't say that man is humble, you would say he has serious psychological issues.

    Allah has said, 'If you wish to see Me, I am to be found in man'  lipsrsealed

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #105 - August 04, 2009, 08:39 PM


    I still dont understand.  Please answer the question in your own words, without relying on quotes from the quran or other sources, to do so on your behalf.


    You know that in the Islam religion there are so many sects, one opposing the other and they also consider that no religion is worth thinking about except their own. To me these differences are very confusing to the Muslims. This why I looking the truth that sets me free of this antagonism....

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #106 - August 04, 2009, 08:43 PM

    I still dont get it, what is the difference between your beliefs and those of other muslims?

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #107 - August 04, 2009, 08:51 PM

    Hello IsLame,
    What makes you so interested to know?  Huh?

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #108 - August 04, 2009, 08:54 PM

    Not sure why you are being so evasive, just trying to get a better idea of who you are and what you think so I can see where you are coming from.

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #109 - August 04, 2009, 09:00 PM

    Hello IsLame,

    Ahlul-Bayat.......... I need to be cryptic?

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #110 - August 04, 2009, 09:02 PM

    Quote
    Ahlul-Bayat

    Whats that?

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #111 - August 04, 2009, 09:05 PM

    You don't know... wow!!. Are you ex-Muslim or not?

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #112 - August 04, 2009, 09:06 PM

    What does that mean SAM?

    ...
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #113 - August 04, 2009, 09:06 PM

    Whats that?


    Ahlul bayt literally means 'family of the house' - the 'house' being the prophets family.

    In other words the 'Prophets family.'

    Of course those who regard the the 'ahlul bayt' as particularly special are the Shi'ah.
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #114 - August 04, 2009, 09:11 PM


    Quote
    Ahlul bayt literally means 'family of the house' - the 'house' being the prophets family.

    In other words the 'Prophets family.'

    Of course those who regard the the 'ahlul bayt' as particularly special are the Shi'ah.

    Can you give them more details?  grin12

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #115 - August 04, 2009, 09:11 PM

    Allah has said, 'If you wish to see Me, I am to be found in man'  lipsrsealed


    Where did God say that?

    Are you Alawi? Or some other Shi'ah sect that believes God is incarnate in some descendant of Muhammad?
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #116 - August 04, 2009, 09:13 PM

    Can you give them more details?  grin12


    No, you give them more details - why are you behaving like a dick head? Just say what you believe?

    Are you embarrassed about what you believe or what?
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #117 - August 04, 2009, 09:19 PM

    Ahlul bayt literally means 'family of the house' - the 'house' being the prophets family.

    In other words the 'Prophets family.'

    Of course those who regard the the 'ahlul bayt' as particularly special are the Shi'ah.


    He said Bayat and not Bayt. I speak Arabic and did not get what he meant by Bayat!!!
    Bayt is correct ... It means Home!

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  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #118 - August 04, 2009, 09:20 PM

    He said Bayat and not Bayt. I speak Arabic and did not get what he meant by Bayat!!!
    Bayt is correct ... It means Home!


    I think he made a mistake. He's probably not an Arabic speaker.
  • Re: Introduce myself
     Reply #119 - August 04, 2009, 09:34 PM

    Can you give them more details?  grin12

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