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OP - August 02, 2009, 12:46 AM

This is a monitor.

Looks kinda cool, but is totally useless for web design and development work.

Up until now I've been doing everything on my ASUS laptop, but yesterday the monitor flickered a few times then promptly died. So I bolt down to the local shop before they shut for the day and after talking with the dude there I buy a BenQ G2220HD. I figure for the same money as fixing the laptop screen I might as well get something good.

The extra size is cool (22" with 1920x1080 native res) and the definition is good, but the colour reproduction is not nearly good enough for design work. Fine for basic office stuff and for a bit of browsing if you aren't too fussy, but for me it's as useless as that there lizard up top.

Anyone got suggestions on reasonably priced monitors that have good accuracy with regard to colour? Doesn't have to be widescreen. Frankly if I have to choose I'd prefer to go with something that is twice the quality but half the size.

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Reply #1 - August 02, 2009, 02:52 AM

I'm using a view sonic monitor right now mate-- and I'm not that much of a tech savy to give you proper advise. But if anything, check out NewEgg.com They have all the specs and shit you want out of a monitor listed on their site. That's where I'd look anyways.

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Reply #2 - August 03, 2009, 09:36 AM

Well after a fair bit of Googling I'm currently thinking I might go with an "outmoded" monitor. Why? Because I can get a much higher quality one for about the same price as the plonker I just bought. Warranty starts from date of purchase anyway and I can get something that cost three times as much when it was the newest thing in town.

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Reply #3 - August 03, 2009, 10:07 AM

Os, or anyone, you don't happen to know if HD ready tv's have dvi inputs do you? I need a extra wide monitor for my studio, and I wondered if this was an option, but it must be dvi.

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Reply #4 - August 03, 2009, 10:14 AM

I thought everything had dvi inputs these days. That monitor I'm grumbling about does. I think all the widescreens do. Your local shop could tell you for sure though.

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Reply #5 - August 03, 2009, 10:15 AM

I would have thought so too - isnt that the current standard?

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Reply #6 - August 03, 2009, 10:19 AM

Tbh, the shops seem to know very little, so far I've been flogged two that don't have dvi, even though I was told they do. Widescreen seem to cause these people a lot of confusion...hey, Os, I'll have yours then!! Seriously, how much do these things cost in Oz? Very expensive here it seems.

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Reply #7 - August 03, 2009, 10:20 AM

Quote from: IsLame on August 03, 2009, 10:15 AM
I would have thought so too - isnt that the current standard?

Def not, Islame, unfortunately.

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Reply #8 - August 03, 2009, 10:20 AM

Yep, as far as I know. There is HDMI as well which is supposed to be groovier but I'm not up with the details on them all.

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Reply #9 - August 03, 2009, 10:21 AM

Are they brand new - So what sockets do they use instead?

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Reply #10 - August 03, 2009, 10:21 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on August 02, 2009, 12:46 AM
This is a monitor.

(Clicky for piccy!)

Ah, I suddenly realise my problem...I wondered what the pet shop had to do with computers

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Reply #11 - August 03, 2009, 10:22 AM

Quote from: IsLame on August 03, 2009, 10:21 AM
Are they brand new - So what sockets do they use instead?

VGA

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Reply #12 - August 03, 2009, 10:23 AM

VGA - that is definitely an older standard, are these monitors new or reconditioned?

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Reply #13 - August 03, 2009, 10:24 AM

Quote from: Jack Torrance on August 03, 2009, 10:19 AM
Tbh, the shops seem to know very little, so far I've been flogged two that don't have dvi, even though I was told they do. Widescreen seem to cause these people a lot of confusion...hey, Os, I'll have yours then!! Seriously, how much do these things cost in Oz? Very expensive here it seems.

That's weird. Check the manufacturer's sites rather than relying on sales wankers. Those clowns will tell you anything. You could even run a search on a tech head forum. Shouldn't have to register but you can probably turn up some model numbers.

The 22" widescreen I have now was $270 Australian. That'd be about 150 quid I think. Not sure about the current exchange rate.

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Reply #14 - August 03, 2009, 10:27 AM

Jack, check the second post here: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1204292

This looks handy for the UK. http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/monitors/

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Reply #15 - August 03, 2009, 11:20 AM

Cool, thanks Os.

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Reply #16 - August 04, 2009, 01:43 AM

Acer G24 is the best monitor you can get for ?300. Highly recommended by me who also uses one.

They come in bright orange or blue which may be distracting online, but they look beautiful in reality when placed on your desk.

Look up some reviews for in on youtube and you can see some great clear recordings and review of monitors such as this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdl_YufrE6s

Also when buying anything to do with computers ... DO NOT LISTEN TO RETAIL STAFF!!!

Google reviews and read up on reliable hardware review sites, and it is always cheaper with much better technical and customer service to buy the product from a computer e-tailer then it is from a shop.

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Acer G24 is all the latest and best features for its 300ish quid price point - HDMI, 1080p resolution, 2MS response time, high 400 CD/M2 brightness, a claimed 50000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, but definately with perfect rendering of black and white colours, and also a superb 176 degree viewing angle.

Best monitor available for its asking price, you wont get any better unless you pay lots more.

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Reply #17 - August 04, 2009, 07:35 AM

Hmm, gonna check the acer out! Cheers ExH

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Reply #18 - August 04, 2009, 02:40 PM

Some alternatives here:

Dell equivalent to the Acer G24:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-024-DE&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

or if you want to spend less, there are these two decent models from IIyama and Samsung:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-047-IY&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-106-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

They dont have as much brightness though, and I dont think they have as glowing and shiny lighting and colours as the Acer does. I got my Acer right when it was released on an early offer for ?324, but the price on it has gone up quite considerably to ?350-400 now, while they drove the prices on the lower spec Samsung monitors down, so just get whichever you feel like spending on.

All you really want as a minimum for todays standard is 2MS response time, with 1080p resolution and HDMI input on a 24 inch screen, which you can amazingly get for just ?200 now on the IIyama model, so there is no need to go for any lower then that one. Then the more expensive ones will have better contrast, brightness and colours. The only problem is eventually getting used to it with everyday use will mean that normal smaller screens will be painful to use on other computers :p.

Acer G24 or Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP = awesomeness.

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Reply #19 - August 05, 2009, 02:01 AM

2ms response time means it's a TN panel rather than a TFT and as such wont be as good for colour reproduction. Not optimal for design work. Fine for movies and games though. Also, depending on which specs and reviews you read the Acer is claimed to have a 5ms response time, which is normal for a TN screen.

Anyway I priced the Acer over here and I don't want to spend that much at the moment, plus the 22" is heaps big enough for me. It just needs better quality (although after a lot of fucking around I have managed to get it tolerable).

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Reply #20 - August 05, 2009, 02:15 AM

The ACER G24 is a 2MS TN panel with perfect colour rendering and considered by some to be the best TN panel available on the market.

I easilly scored 100% on a 'test your color vision' test on the monitor in which randomised bands of slightly progressive colours appear that you try to place in order. Each individual colour was very clearly distinguished from the slightly different one above and below it, and very few people do manage to score 100% on those tests in which case you shouldnt be doing any kind of graphics design work :p.

Better panels then TNs are very pricey and are only beneficial for graphics design work. If you arent working in graphics and just need a monitor for normal everyday use, movies, and games, then a top quality TN panel makes a better buy.

Very few people actually require a better monitor then a good TN panel, and colour rendering seems completely flawless to me on the ACER, and far beyond my old Sony X Black display which during its time was considered to have the best colour production.

19" Sony X Black display 4 years ago = ?380

24" Acer G24 earlier this year = ?324.

Prior to that I used a 17" IIyama Diamondtron that was ranked as the No.1 17" CRT model in many magazines, with its 19" model ranked around No.3 but was too expensive at the time, so Ive always had good quality monitors and know a good one when I see it, but end up wanting to tear my hair off my head when I had to use school and university computers that looked like crap.

I use my PC for games and movies and required better then standard monitors. The advantage being that each one is completely perfect at the time to last at least 3 years with that much warranty cover.

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