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  • 40 lashes for wearing pants
     OP - August 04, 2009, 06:22 PM


    Female Sudanese journalist Lubna Husein faces 40 lashes for wearing pants in public

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    A Sudanese woman facing 40 lashes for wearing trousers in public made her first appearance today in a court packed with supporters, in what her lawyer described as a test case in Sudan's decency laws.

    There were chaotic scenes as Lubna Hussein, a former journalist who works for the United Nations, attended the hearing wearing the same green slacks that got her arrested for immodest dress. Indecency cases are not uncommon in Sudan. But Ms. Hussein has attracted attention by publicizing her case, inviting journalists to hearings and using it to campaign against dress codes sporadically imposed in the capital.


    The case was adjourned as lawyers discussed whether her status as a UN employee gave her legal immunity.


    After the hearing, defence lawyer Nabil Adib Abdalla said Ms. Hussein had agreed to resign from the United Nations in time for the next session on Aug. 4 to make sure the case continued. ?First of all she wants to show she is totally innocent, and using her immunity will not prove that,? Mr. Abdalla told reporters. ?Second she wants to fight the law. The law is too wide. It needs to be reformed ... This is turning into a test case. Human rights groups will be watching this closely.?


    He said Ms. Hussein was ready to face the maximum penalty for the criminal offence of wearing indecent dress in public, which was 40 lashes and an unlimited fine. Before the hearing Ms. Hussein said she was arrested in early July when police raided a party she was attending at a restaurant in Khartoum's Riyadh district.


    ?Thousands of women are punished with lashes in Sudan but they stay silent,? she said. ?The law is being used to harass women and I want to expose this.?


    She said a number of other women arrested with her received lashes. But her case was sent for trial when she called in a lawyer.


    More here : http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/29/2009-07-29_female_sudanese_journalist_lubna_husein_faces_40_lashes_for_wearing_pants_in_pub.html

    What a brave woman.





    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #1 - August 04, 2009, 06:46 PM
    She's wearing pants?  What a slapper!
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #2 - August 04, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Sick twats!
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #3 - August 04, 2009, 07:47 PM
    And this is the same government who is backing raids on villages in Darfur and capturing the natives to be sold as slaves to rich Arabs in Khartoum.  To me it seems that the Sudanese government is trying to be more Arab than the Arabs with this kind of behaviour or perhaps they are concerned that they may lose legitimacy, hence the crackdown on women's dress which is almost always the first tactic of a dictatorial, faith based government when a perceived threat looms on the horizon.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #4 - August 04, 2009, 07:52 PM
    The Arabs have been fortunate enough to have oil and fund their education, and enforce their societal structure.  Othewise I have no doubt they too would be in the same mess.
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #5 - August 04, 2009, 07:56 PM
    Grr!  finmad  Damn that oil!  If only the Saudis were still impoverished nomads wandering the arid wastes of Arabia...sigh...
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #6 - August 04, 2009, 08:18 PM
    might not be too long that the arabs are in the shit once we finally come up with better alternatives to fossil based power...i forsee another big war coming...
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #7 - August 05, 2009, 01:30 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on August 04, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Sick twats!


    Thats what happens when the Quran and Sharia Law are put into governing power in these counties after having spread by violence in the first place and nothing is done to oppose it.
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #8 - August 05, 2009, 10:14 AM
    Quote from: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/08/04/sudan.journalist.lashings/index.html?eref=rss_world
    Al-Hussein -- who writes for a newspaper and worked for the media department of the United Nations mission in Sudan -- resigned from her U.N. position to deliberately lose immunity and face the charges.

    She was "disappointed" with the court's decision to delay her trial, Adib said. "She wanted to have her case tried in order to clear her name and have the law announced unconstitutional," he said.

    Al-Hussein told the British Broadcasting Corporation that she wants a public flogging to make a point about the treatment of women in Sudan. She even sent out 500 invitations to witness her lashings.

    "I'm not afraid from pain ... but flog is not pain, flog is (an) insult, insult to humans, insult to women," al-Hussein told the BBC.


    OUCH!
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #9 - August 05, 2009, 10:25 AM
    I think we should administer 40 lashes to anyone who wears the Burka, on the naked bum with a wire.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #10 - August 05, 2009, 10:45 AM
    Thins brings up a debate.

    Muslims come into the west crying about their freedom to wear their Burkha / Niqab / Hajib, yet in Muslim countries they dont even have the freedom to wear trousers?

    Beyond pathetic crying and whinging little scums they are.

    Why the heck should we allow them to dress up in a mobile tent, when they dont even allow western clothes in their countries?
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #11 - August 05, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Poor choice of words there exhindu. It sounds like you hate Muslims in general. That is what I don't like about this site people who aren't ex-muslims and just have a hate agenda. Apologies in advance if I am wrong.
    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #12 - August 05, 2009, 11:16 AM
    Quote from: ExHindu on August 05, 2009, 10:45 AM
    Thins brings up a debate.

    Muslims come into the west crying about their freedom to wear their Burkha / Niqab / Hajib, yet in Muslim countries they dont even have the freedom to wear trousers?

    Beyond pathetic crying and whinging little scums they are.

    Why the heck should we allow them to dress up in a mobile tent, when they dont even allow western clothes in their countries?


    I was a Muslim once, and I am seeing his point.

    He has a point. He is criticizing the Muslim double standards here. I am from a country where Alcohol is totally banned and you get locked up for drinking beer in public or at home. Yet they protest other countries if they suggest banning burqas!

    If that is not double standard ill-minded bigoted idiotic behavior, I don't know what it is!
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #13 - August 05, 2009, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: pakman on August 05, 2009, 10:56 AM
    Poor choice of words there exhindu. It sounds like you hate Muslims in general. That is what I don't like about this site people who aren't ex-muslims and just have a hate agenda. Apologies in advance if I am wrong.

    To be fair I dont think ex-Hindu likes any sect of the human race, haven't you read his posts?  It would only be discrimanatory if he ever claimed to like anyone.
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #14 - August 05, 2009, 11:50 AM
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    Fundies come to the west crying about their freedom to wear mobile tents, yet in Muslim countries they dont even have the freedom to wear trousers

     edited to meet approval

    Almost signature-worthy
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #15 - August 05, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Quote from: ExHindu
    Beyond pathetic crying and whinging little scums they are.


    You're getting a bit out of order with some of your comments ExHindu, eg the one I've quoted above.  You need to cool it and stop throwing generalised insults at all muslims for the actions of a few.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #16 - August 05, 2009, 12:10 PM
    Remember ExHindu, thats how homophobic generalisations came about
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #17 - August 05, 2009, 02:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 05, 2009, 12:04 PM
    You're getting a bit out of order with some of your comments ExHindu, eg the one I've quoted above.  You need to cool it and stop throwing generalised insults at all muslims for the actions of a few.


    And because of the actions of the few, we have Sharia courts. And discrimination against religion is now considered racism and punishable by Law.

    Yet in their Sharia counties, they dont treat non muslims with any more respect then they demand from the west.

    Quote from: IsLame on August 05, 2009, 11:49 AM
    To be fair I dont think ex-Hindu likes any sect of the human race, haven't you read his posts?  It would only be discrimanatory if he ever claimed to like anyone.


    This. I dont think Muslims are any worse then Christians, Hindus, the BNP, or any other faith.

    Reigion should not be allowed political power anywhere in the world.
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #18 - August 05, 2009, 02:55 PM
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    And because of the actions of the few, we have Sharia courts. And discrimination against religion is now considered racism and punishable by Law.


    If by 'we' you mean the UK, what you have is a legal system in which anybody can choose their own form of arbitration in a civil dispute, including Sharia Law.  The Jewish people in Britain have been doing that for years with their own religious courts.  Not that big a deal.

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    Yet in their Sharia counties, they dont treat non muslims with any more respect then they demand from the west


    I don't particularly want my country to lower itself to the standards of Saudi Arabia, I would prefer we carry on respecting the rights of minorities.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #19 - August 05, 2009, 03:01 PM
    So how old were the letters in your drawer - what did they say?
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #20 - August 05, 2009, 03:03 PM
    They were about 10-15 years old, and they were mostly old bills and payslips.  There were old cassettes in there too, all  by men in Val Doonican cardigans.   wacko
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #21 - August 05, 2009, 04:18 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 05, 2009, 02:55 PM
    If by 'we' you mean the UK, what you have is a legal system in which anybody can choose their own form of arbitration in a civil dispute, including Sharia Law.  The Jewish people in Britain have been doing that for years with their own religious courts.  Not that big a deal.


    Really?

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3839.0

    Why do you disagree with this?
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #22 - August 05, 2009, 04:27 PM
    I'd agree with amending the Arbitration Act, but I don't think its a big deal if it isn't amended.  Religious courts have been operating in the UK for hundreds of years and it hasn't fallen apart yet. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #23 - August 05, 2009, 04:33 PM
    Never mind:

    Jewish courts are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.

    I didnt know, I dont want those either.

    But it is still true that people in Islamic countries cannot be trialed under foreign laws, so why do we have to allow it in the UK?
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #24 - August 05, 2009, 09:42 PM
    I agree with ex-Hindu, the Jewish courts operated at a different level to the Muslim courts and Judaic talmud laws work in a very different level, plus Muslim power and influence far outstrips any Jewish influence at any time period

    Having said that one law for all is the best idea. I don't believe in giving everyone the choice, heck as a legal student the thought of Ombudsmen scares the bjeezus out of me! But that's a story for another day, as long as UK law is officially secular, it should apply to all

    By the way ex-Hindu I think you should tone down your language a bit, I know your passionate and I can understand why, but it won't work out for you and your opinions will be ignored if you talk in such an aggressive manner-trust me on that. Just some friendly advice!
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #25 - August 05, 2009, 09:46 PM
    I dont ignore his reactionary posts, I just water down what he says as he talks from the heart
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #26 - August 05, 2009, 09:48 PM
    Well, after a while people tend to ignore what they think as nutjobs, and such language is often associated with the former group.

    Not that he is or isn't, it's just a slippery slope, a reputation is harder to get back then a rental deposit!
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #27 - August 05, 2009, 09:58 PM
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    But it is still true that people in Islamic countries cannot be trialed under foreign laws, so why do we have to allow it in the UK?


    The UK does not allow people to be tried under foreign laws.  If two people are involved in a civil dispute they have the  right to go into arbitration to settle it, and they have the right to choose which principles that arbitration is carried out under. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #28 - August 05, 2009, 10:00 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 05, 2009, 09:48 PM
    a reputation is harder to get back then a rental deposit!

     Cheesy, its still possible though (look at where you are after talking about  lipsrsealed .... i wont remind everyone  Wink)
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  • Re: 40 lashes for wearing pants
     Reply #29 - August 05, 2009, 10:02 PM
    Really? That's sad  Cry I thought I was recovering it!

    Oh well, I might have to try harder, or give up.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
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