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  • Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     OP - August 13, 2009, 04:21 PM

    OK, so this has obviously been talked about over and over again,

    I had a little chat with my mum the other day and she gave her reasoning behind the hijab/burqa:

    1.  If you wear small skirts/ short shorts and walk by some men, they will obviously get aroused, so to protect yourself by wearing burqa. Lets be rational here.


    2. Allah knows best, this is like the mother that gives her children flu shots to protect them from the flu, this is what allah does with the rule about XYZ problem, in this case rape/harassment.


    Anyone agree/disagree?

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #1 - August 13, 2009, 04:34 PM

    I think they should put higher punishments on harassing women.
    There isn't any pervert who'll touch a woman if he gets 5-10 years jail for it.

    Heck, make it 50 years...

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #2 - August 13, 2009, 05:41 PM

    The very idea of female virtue is necessitated by the patriarchial conservative tradition, leading to a ban on fornication,  sexual segregation etc, and as a consequence, modest dressing for females.  Prohibition enforced either by tradition or religion creates a sexual pressure cooker in the minds of many who live in such socities.

    Sexual harrasment incidents are more probable in places where a conservative "village" sort of culture meets a liberal "city" culture. It would be appropriate to dress conservatively in places where people are sex-starved, while you can get away with a miniskirt in places like London.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #3 - August 13, 2009, 05:41 PM

    Interestingly, harrassment mainly takes place in countries where women cover.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #4 - August 13, 2009, 05:48 PM

    Another point is that, people from conservative cultures are simply not used to miniskirts.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #5 - August 13, 2009, 05:51 PM

    Interestingly, harrassment mainly takes place in countries where women cover.


    Totally, in morocco I was hassled like you wouldn't believe, no matter where I went.

    The hijab makes no difference either, women are still raped in hijab, they are still molested and groped in hijab, my aunty had some man rubbing up against her on a packed bus, and he came all over her jilab, so being covered makes no difference.


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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #6 - August 13, 2009, 06:03 PM

    This is something I posted on Ummah - Do you agree with me?
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    Rape and sexual harrasment has absolutely nothing at all to do with how a woman dresses. "Modest" dress is all relative. If it was about how women dress, women from indigenous tribes in the Amazon rainforest would be getting raped everyday, because they do not wear any clothes. What it is actually about is a societies attitudes to sex and modesty.

    For example, just say there were no police around at all and a woman was walking around Jeddah wearing cropped trousers and a vest top, there is a could chance she would be the victim of harrassment, because that is considered immodest dress in Saudi Arabia. If a woman walked around Manchester dressed like that noone would bat an eyelid, because that is actually considered quite modest in Manchester. Alternatively, if a woman was walking around Manchester wearing nothing but a piece of string tied around her waist, there is a good chance that she would be the victim of harrassment, but if a woman dressed like that in the Amazon rainforest, noone would bat an eyelid, because that is normal.

    I think one mistake that Islam makes is it assumes that all people and societies are exactly the same and should be living by the same principles, when is just not the case.


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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #7 - August 13, 2009, 06:04 PM

    I agree with the above post.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #8 - August 13, 2009, 06:04 PM

    Wow, that is disgusting BerberElla. So what did she do? What is the protocol for something like this in a place like Morocco?

    And Yes aliadiere, that does make perfect sense.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #9 - August 13, 2009, 06:10 PM

    What Berbs? He came on her Jilbab in public?

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #10 - August 13, 2009, 06:52 PM

    Wow, that is disgusting BerberElla. So what did she do? What is the protocol for something like this in a place like Morocco?

    And Yes aliadiere, that does make perfect sense.


    Nothing, it was a very packed bus, I'm talking like sardines in a tin.  she knew he was doing something, but couldn't really manouver herself, and when we got off is when she saw all the semen on her clothes.

    What Berbs? He came on her Jilbab in public?


    Yes, ^^ but most likely no one saw.

    This is something I posted on Ummah - Do you agree with me?

    <snip>



    I agree, however even in a veil a woman can be raped in saudi, you should have pointed that out too, she doesn't even have to be wearing cropped trousers in saudi to get raped.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #11 - August 13, 2009, 07:03 PM

    "and when we got off is when she saw all the semen on her clothes."
    That's sick! xD xD
    Sounds like something an Algerian would do though...  whistling2

    But that's exactly the point...
    It's like the more open and tolerant a country is, the less horny the people are... xD

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #12 - August 13, 2009, 07:05 PM

    Haha, sorry man, I've been groped by guys who were very much moroccan.

    I used to be swimming in the sea and some random idiot would attempt to swim between my legs for a quick feel.  finmad

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #13 - August 13, 2009, 07:05 PM

    They were talking about women going clubbing and somebody said something along the lines of "the way women dress when they go clubbing, they might as well have a sign around their neck saying "available for rape" "

    I really hate that argument, but yeah, I should have pointed out that women wearing an abaya still get raped as well.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #14 - August 13, 2009, 07:06 PM

    Hey, it's not just muslims with that attitude, remember my thread awhile back about the way a woman dresses still being a problem?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #15 - August 13, 2009, 07:10 PM

    An egyptian research found out that 82% of all egyptian womans had been sexually harrassed,in hijab,and 98% of all the tourists women had been sexually harrassed by egyptian men.

    So all the talk about modesty protect a woman from this shit,is the biggest lie.



  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #16 - August 13, 2009, 07:13 PM

    Another thing is, I don't trust official statistics of rape, because of definition of rape. People like Zakir Naik take great pleasure when they are telling people how many rapes there are in America compared to Muslim countries, but there are two major points they have to consider.

    Firstly, the definition of rape is wider in non Muslim countries as it includes marital rape, whereas marital rape is not considered in Muslim countries.

    And secondly, how many rape cases in Muslim countries get turned into the woman being charged with Zina?

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #17 - August 13, 2009, 07:15 PM

    My Grandmother told me that the burqa never made a difference really. Pervs approach you even when you have it on. It's only when you took your hand out of the glove to reveal an aged hand that they leg it.
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #18 - August 13, 2009, 07:28 PM

    We've all heard Zakir Naiks stupid argument about the twin sisters walking down the street.  Here it is for those of you who haven't:


    Example of twin sisters

    Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur?an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.



    I would say this to Zakir Naik:

    Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street.  One wearing the Islamic hijaab and the other wearing western clothes.  Just around the corner there is a racist Muslimophobe.  Which girl will he tease?  Will he tease the girl in the hijab or the girl in the western clothes?

    .
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #19 - August 13, 2009, 07:31 PM

    An egyptian research found out that 82% of all egyptian womans had been sexually harrassed,in hijab,and 98% of all the tourists women had been sexually harrassed by egyptian men.

    So all the talk about modesty protect a woman from this shit,is the biggest lie.






    Oh wow, can I have the source on that, it would be nice to have in a debate.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #20 - August 13, 2009, 07:32 PM

    Most of Zakir Naik's arguments are stupid.

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #21 - August 13, 2009, 07:39 PM

    "I used to be swimming in the sea and some random idiot would attempt to swim between my legs for a quick feel."
    Yeah I remember that  Embarrassed Sorry.

    "98% of all the tourists women had been sexually harrassed by egyptian men."
    I thought Egypt was pretty safe for tourists =O

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #22 - August 13, 2009, 08:25 PM

    Egypt's sexual harassment 'cancer'

    Sexual harassment of women in Egypt is on the increase and observing Islamic dress code is no deterrent, according to a survey published this week.

    The Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights (ECWR) describes the problem as a social cancer and calls on the government to introduce legislation to curb it.

    The findings contradict the widely held belief in Egypt that unveiled women are more likely to suffer harassment than veiled ones.
    Participants in the survey were shown pictures of women wearing different kinds of dress - from the mini skirt to the niqab (full face veil) and asked which were more likely to be harassed.

    More than 60% - including female respondents - suggested the scantily clad woman was most at risk. But in reality the study concluded the majority of the victims of harassment were modestly dressed women wearing Islamic headscarves.

    ECWR head Nihad Abu El-Qoumsan said that even veiled women who were victims of harassment blamed themselves.

    Western women who took part in the study demonstrated a strong belief in their entitlement to personal safety and freedom of movement, she says, but this was totally absent among Egyptian respondents.

    No-one spoke about freedom of choice, freedom of movement or the right to legal protection. No-one showed any awareness that the harasser was a criminal, regardless of what clothes the victim was wearing.

    Shocking attitude

    The centre is campaigning for a new law that clearly defines sexual harassment as a crime and makes it easier for women to report it in Egypt - women like Noha Ostath.
    The young film-maker told the BBC she was repeatedly groped in broad daylight by a van driver in a Cairo traffic jam as she walked on the pavement.

    His behaviour made her so angry she ran after the van and held on to the side mirror to force the driver to stop so she could take him to a police station.

    She was equally shocked by the attitude of other passers-by. Some tried to dissuade her from going to the police - others blamed her for what she was wearing (a baggy sports outfit).

    In the end, after a tussle with the man that lasted for more than one hour, the strong-willed Ms Ostath dragged the man to the police station.

    But even there, police officers refused to open an investigation and insisted on the presence of her father despite the fact that she is not a minor - she is 26.

    Impudent allegation

    After Noha's story was published in the Badeel daily, editor-in-chief Muhammad El Sayyed Said wrote that the behaviour of the crowd was characteristic of oppressed societies, where the majority identified with the oppressor.

    He blamed the increase in sexual harassment on what he said were "three decades of incitement against women" from the pulpits of some of Egypt's mosques.

    "This verbal incitement is based on the extremely sordid and impudent allegation that our women are not modestly dressed. This was, and still is, a flagrant lie, used to justify violence against women in the name of religion."

    The British foreign office says Egypt is one of the countries with the highest number of cases reported to embassy staff regarding sexual offences against visiting women.

    It warns them to be extra cautious in public places especially when alone because of the risks.

    Ms Abou El-Qoumsan says Egyptians need to re-evaluate their value system and school curricula and to ensure that the rule of law prevails and prevents offenders and criminals walking free because of a breakdown of basic notions of right and wrong.

    Thanks to surveys like this, one encounters an endless number of newspaper articles reflecting the feeling that Egypt is in the grip of a moral crisis.

    Perhaps nothing illustrates Egypt's loss of a moral compass than the responses of some men in the ECWR study.

    Some said they harassed a woman simply because they were bored. One who abused a woman wearing the niqab said she must be beautiful, or hiding something.

     SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN EGYPT
    Experienced by 98% of foreign women visitors
    Experienced by 83% of Egyptian women
    62% of Egyptian men admitted harassing women
    53% of Egyptian men blame women for 'bringing it on'
    Source: Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights

    From:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7514567.stm

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #23 - August 18, 2009, 04:18 AM

    Wow that really is something else Nour.


     

    I would say this to Zakir Naik:

    Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street.  One wearing the Islamic hijaab and the other wearing western clothes.  Just around the corner there is a racist Muslimophobe.  Which girl will he tease?  Will he tease the girl in the hijab or the girl in the western clothes?


    Yea, but this doesnt answer his question...

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #24 - August 18, 2009, 06:56 AM

    It is funny that I see this thread now! It is a strange coincidence!

    Yesterday, at the bank, I have just finished talking to one of the bank employees and I was waiting for her to bring me back some documents and forums to fill etc... I was basically waiting to be served.

    All of a sudden I felt something touching me to the right side of my body.... and when I looked to find out who or what the heck that was, I was amazed to see that it was a fully Niqabed lady, however her face was uncovered (the black face flap was thrown to the back of the head) as they usually do here when they want to speak to someone. She was 30 something in age, not ugly and not attractive either.

    Anyways, I was shocked, as she simply smiled at me and said something like.... oops, I am sorry (In Arabic of course) and she just stood there brushing up against me pretending to look for the bank employee to get some help with her application.  I jumped back in horror and left her standing there.

    Although there were other people at the bank hall, the help desk were we were standing was free. It was just me. I mean she could have just asked me politely to excuse her and give her some space to use the counter!!

    I was puzzled, and did not know what to do. I know I was sexually harassed by the standards of our society. Do I tell her off.... and make a scene? Then I thought not, it would not be a good idea.... Because if she turns the table on me and accuse me of harassing or groping her then I am fu**ed and no one would believe me!!! She is a woman in Burqa after all!

    ...
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #25 - August 18, 2009, 06:59 AM

    My Grandmother told me that the burqa never made a difference really. Pervs approach you even when you have it on. It's only when you took your hand out of the glove to reveal an aged hand that they leg it.


    And why the hell your Grandmother wear a burqa? To confuse groper wannabes and make them think she was 18 or something? LOL

    ...
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #26 - August 18, 2009, 09:46 AM

    This behavior from men is so much expected when u have imams in mosques talking about "skinny jeans" and how women are late outside their homes with no mahrams.. Giving men the green light to do whatever they want , as long as the woman is without a man , that means she is asking to be harassed ! 

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  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #27 - August 21, 2009, 02:18 AM

    Totally, in morocco I was hassled like you wouldn't believe, no matter where I went.

    The hijab makes no difference either, women are still raped in hijab, they are still molested and groped in hijab, my aunty had some man rubbing up against her on a packed bus, and he came all over her jilab, so being covered makes no difference.


    That is so gross.  Don't those fuckers know how to masturbate in private?
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #28 - August 21, 2009, 02:23 AM

    My Grandmother told me that the burqa never made a difference really. Pervs approach you even when you have it on. It's only when you took your hand out of the glove to reveal an aged hand that they leg it.

    Sounds like you have hit on a self-defence tactic:  A form-fitting glove made to look like aged skin.
  • Re: Old Topic, New Thread : Burqa
     Reply #29 - August 24, 2009, 12:07 PM

    Tens of thousands of people in Mali's capital, Bamako, have been protesting against a new law which gives women equal rights in marriage.

    "We have to stick to the Koran," Ms Dembele told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme. "A man must protect his wife, a wife must obey her husband."

    "It's a tiny minority of women here that wants this new law - the intellectuals. The poor and illiterate women of this country - the real Muslims - are against it," she added.

    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8216568.stm
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