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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #60 - September 07, 2009, 06:52 PM

    Anyone know any good books on anthropology

    As per cheetahs recommendation, I am planning to get "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond

    Found it on youtube if anyones interested

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgnmT-Y_rGQ

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #61 - September 07, 2009, 09:00 PM

    Just wondering if there is a website that is a gold standard in the book world, which rates books out of 10, much like IMDB.com does for films?

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #62 - September 10, 2009, 12:30 PM

    Just wondering if there is a website that is a gold standard in the book world, which rates books out of 10, much like IMDB.com does for films?

    I guess the answer is no, as I have done a search myself?  Smells like an open opportunity for any budding techies..

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #63 - September 10, 2009, 12:33 PM

    Found it on youtube if anyones interested

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgnmT-Y_rGQ

    Very interesting - thanks for the hot tip cheetah  Afro.  Recommend it to anyone that hasnt seen it - it slightly OTT but thats what you would expect from an American programme - other than this minor flaw its very informative, and helps explain why Western  Europe dominated and still dominates the world..  the conclusion is not what you might think

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #64 - September 14, 2009, 04:50 PM

    Just finished "Atheism - A Very Short Introduction" by Julian Baggini. Very brief intro. Good for both theists and atheists.

    http://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192804243/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252946972&sr=8-1
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #65 - September 21, 2009, 08:55 PM

    I just finished "Influence" by Robert Cialdini. Highly enlightened me to the hijacking methods of Islam, incidentally.

    Right now: One Step Beyond by Chris Moon, a British land mine searcher/helper who lost arm/leg and now runs marathons for charity and speaks about how to keep a positive attitude in life.

    In the future: Probably "Gun, Germs and Steal" followed by "Neoconservatism: Why We Need it" by Douglas Murray. It's funny, I've been a liberal for so long, hated how Bush/Blair lied us into a war with all the WMD, but after feeling mugged by reality I'm ready to give this book a go.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #66 - September 21, 2009, 08:58 PM

    Douglas is actually a very good writer.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #67 - September 21, 2009, 09:03 PM

    Douglas is actually a very good writer.


    Well, after i've finished "Beyond Good and Evil" i'll have a goo at "Being and Nothingness".
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #68 - September 21, 2009, 09:07 PM

    I just finished "Influence" by Robert Cialdini. Highly enlightened me to the hijacking methods of Islam, incidentally.


    I'm halfway through that. Excellent book and highly recommended for all!

    I am currently re-reading all 7 Harry Potter books (on to the 2nd one now). Tongue

    I'm also sporadically reading "Living My Life", the autobio of Emma Goldman (in 2 volumes). Very intelligent woman who had a quite interesting life.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #69 - September 21, 2009, 09:10 PM

    I started reading a book by Ali Dashti, but put it down fairly sharpish. It really was full of angst and naff references.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #70 - September 21, 2009, 10:09 PM

    Yeah? Just WikiP'd him, sounds like an interesting guy. Why'd it suck?

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #71 - September 21, 2009, 11:21 PM

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Leaving-Islam-Apostates-Speak-Out/dp/1591020689/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253563896&sr=8-2
    Can anybody tell me if this book is worth reading?

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #72 - September 26, 2009, 09:24 AM

    Guys heres my reading list. It would be nice to compare what we have read and share recommendations. I'm gonna be updating it regularly.

    Updated 26/9/09

    Current changes in italic.

    Enjoy!

    Currently reading

    Being and Nothingness - Jean-Paul Sartre

    Skeptic/Science/Atheistic
    In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism and Islam - Michel Onfray
    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan
    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq
    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - Carl Sagan
    Varieties Of Scientific Experience - Carl Sagan
    Atheism as a Positive Social Force - Raymond W. Converse
    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens
    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris
    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith
    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger
    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion - Robert Spencer
    The Quest for the Historical Muhammad - Ibn Warraq
    Why I Am Not a Muslim - Ibn Warraq
    Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne
    Your Inner Fish: The Amazing Discovery of Our 375-Million-Year-Old Ancestor - Neil Shubin
    Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins
    The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
    Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism - David Mills
    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens
    Language, Truth and Logic - AJ Ayer
    50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God - Guy P Harrison
    The Improbability of God - Michael Martin
    Atheism - A Very Short Introduction - Julian Baggini
    Beyond Good and Evil - R J Hollingdale,  Friedrich W Nietzsche
    Leaving Islam - Ibn Warraq


    Islamic books
    Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions - Martin Lings
    The Vision of Islam - Sachiko Murata
    The Makkan Crucible - Zakaria Bashier
    Sunshine at Madinah - Zakaria Bashier
    Scattered Pictures: Reflections Of An American Muslim - Imam Zaid Shakir
    Way to the Quran - Khurram Murad; Rashid Rahman
    Milestones - Sayed Qutb
    Fiqh Al-imam: Key Proofs In Hanafi Fiqh - Abdur-Rahman Ibn Yusuf
    Hadith Literature: Its Origin, Development & Special Features - Muhammad Zubayr Siddiqi
    On Schacht's Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence - Muhammad M. al-Azami
    The History of The Qur'anic Text. - Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami.
    Mecca: From Before Genesis Until Now - Martin Lings
    The Eleventh Hour: The Spiritual Crisis of the Modern World in the Light of Tradition and Prophecy - Martin Lings
    What is Sufism? - Martin Lings
    Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings
    Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America - Jeffrey Lang
    Losing My Religion: A Call For Help - Jeffrey Lang
    Struggling to Surrender: Some Impressions of an American Convert to Islam - Jeffrey Lang
    The Broken Chain - Aftab Ahmad Malik
    Let Us Be Muslims - Sayyid A. Mawdudi
    Al-Ghazali on the Remembrance of Death and the Afterlife - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Al-Ghazali's Path to Sufism: His Deliverance from Error - Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali
    Inner Dimensions of Islamic Worship - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Purification of the Heart: Signs, Symptoms and Cures of the Spiritual Diseases of the Heart - Hamza Yusuf
    Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadith - Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi
    The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an English/Arabic - Abdullah Yusuf Ali

    Wish List
    The Republic - Plato
    The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
    The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution - Richard Dawkins
    Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion - Dale Mcgowan
    The Dragons of Eden Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence - Carl Sagan
    Breaking The Spell - Daniel Dennett
    Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life - Daniel C. Dennett
    The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman's Cry for Reason - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking
    Einstein in His Own Words: Science, Religion, Politics, Philosophy - Anne Rooney
    The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie
    The Venture of Islam Vol 1,2,3 - Marshall Hodgson
    The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins
    Being and Time - Martin Heidegger
    How are we to live - Peter Singer
    The Faith Healers - James Randi
    The Minds I - Douglas Hofstadter
    The Science of Good and Evil - Michael Shermer
    The Truth about Uri Geller - James Randi
    Flim Flam! - James Randi
    Why People Believe in Weird Things - Michael Shermer
    The Voice of Reason - Ayn Rand
    Capitalism - Ayn Rand
    Philosophy: Who Needs It - Ayn Rand
    With God On Our Side - Aftab Malik
    Losing Faith In Faith - Dan Barker
    The Philosophy of Humanism - Corliss Lamont
    Practical Ethics - Peter Singer
    For the New Intellectual: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - Ayn Rand
    Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology - Ayn Rand
    The Clash of Fundamentalisms Crusades, Jihads and Modernity - Tariq Ali
    Existentialism and Humanism - Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Age of Reason - Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Prince - George Anthony Bull, Niccolo Machiavelli

    Why Darwin Matter - Michael Shermer


  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #73 - September 29, 2009, 06:54 PM

    Dawkins has nicked nineberry's avatar half way down that page


    Am I famous now?
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #74 - October 17, 2009, 07:26 AM

    Updated 21/10/09

    Current changes in italic.

    Enjoy!

    Currently reading


    Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion
    Being and Nothingness - Jean-Paul Sartre (On hold)

    Skeptic/Science/Atheistic
    How are we to live - Peter Singer
    The Clash of Fundamentalisms Crusades, Jihads and Modernity - Tariq Ali
    In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism and Islam - Michel Onfray
    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan
    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq
    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - Carl Sagan
    Varieties Of Scientific Experience - Carl Sagan
    Atheism as a Positive Social Force - Raymond W. Converse
    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens
    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris
    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith
    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger
    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion - Robert Spencer
    The Quest for the Historical Muhammad - Ibn Warraq
    Why I Am Not a Muslim - Ibn Warraq
    Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne
    Your Inner Fish: The Amazing Discovery of Our 375-Million-Year-Old Ancestor - Neil Shubin
    Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins
    The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
    Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism - David Mills
    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens
    Language, Truth and Logic - AJ Ayer
    50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God - Guy P Harrison
    The Improbability of God - Michael Martin
    Atheism - A Very Short Introduction - Julian Baggini
    Beyond Good and Evil - R J Hollingdale,  Friedrich W Nietzsche
    Leaving Islam - Ibn Warraq
    Against All Gods - AC Grayling


    Islamic books
    Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions - Martin Lings
    The Vision of Islam - Sachiko Murata
    The Makkan Crucible - Zakaria Bashier
    Sunshine at Madinah - Zakaria Bashier
    Scattered Pictures: Reflections Of An American Muslim - Imam Zaid Shakir
    Way to the Quran - Khurram Murad; Rashid Rahman
    Milestones - Sayed Qutb
    Fiqh Al-imam: Key Proofs In Hanafi Fiqh - Abdur-Rahman Ibn Yusuf
    Hadith Literature: Its Origin, Development & Special Features - Muhammad Zubayr Siddiqi
    On Schacht's Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence - Muhammad M. al-Azami
    The History of The Qur'anic Text. - Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami.
    Mecca: From Before Genesis Until Now - Martin Lings
    The Eleventh Hour: The Spiritual Crisis of the Modern World in the Light of Tradition and Prophecy - Martin Lings
    What is Sufism? - Martin Lings
    Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings
    Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America - Jeffrey Lang
    Losing My Religion: A Call For Help - Jeffrey Lang
    Struggling to Surrender: Some Impressions of an American Convert to Islam - Jeffrey Lang
    The Broken Chain - Aftab Ahmad Malik
    Let Us Be Muslims - Sayyid A. Mawdudi
    Al-Ghazali on the Remembrance of Death and the Afterlife - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Al-Ghazali's Path to Sufism: His Deliverance from Error - Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali
    Inner Dimensions of Islamic Worship - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Purification of the Heart: Signs, Symptoms and Cures of the Spiritual Diseases of the Heart - Hamza Yusuf
    Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadith - Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi
    The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an English/Arabic - Abdullah Yusuf Ali

    Wish List
    The Republic - Plato
    Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion - Dale Mcgowan
    The Dragons of Eden Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence - Carl Sagan
    Breaking The Spell - Daniel Dennett
    Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life - Daniel C. Dennett
    The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman's Cry for Reason - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking
    Einstein in His Own Words: Science, Religion, Politics, Philosophy - Anne Rooney
    The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie
    The Venture of Islam Vol 1,2,3 - Marshall Hodgson
    The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution - Richard Dawkins
    The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
    The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins
    Being and Time - Martin Heidegger
    The Minds I - Douglas Hofstadter
    The Faith Healers - James Randi
    The Truth about Uri Geller - James Randi
    Flim Flam! - James Randi
    Why Darwin Matter - Michael Shermer
    The Science of Good and Evil - Michael Shermer
    Why People Believe in Weird Things - Michael Shermer
    With God On Our Side - Aftab Malik
    Losing Faith In Faith - Dan Barker
    The Philosophy of Humanism - Corliss Lamont
    Practical Ethics - Peter Singer
    Philosophy: Who Needs It - Ayn Rand
    The Voice of Reason - Ayn Rand
    Capitalism - Ayn Rand
    For the New Intellectual: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - Ayn Rand
    Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology - Ayn Rand
    Existentialism and Humanism - Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Age of Reason - Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Prince - George Anthony Bull, Niccolo Machiavelli
    [/quote]
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #75 - October 17, 2009, 08:21 AM

    Updated 17/10/09

    Current changes in italic.

    Enjoy!

    Currently reading


    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris

    He sounds like a paranoid Wilders in this!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkJny8w9-1s&feature=player_profilepage#

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #76 - October 17, 2009, 08:29 AM



    I like Sam Harris for his forthright delivery, but a fair amount of his talk about Islam leaves a fair amount to be desired. Muslims will likely to be turned off by his observation.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #77 - November 03, 2009, 11:51 PM

    Updated 18/01/10

    Current changes in italic.

    Enjoy!

    Currently reading


    Why Darwin Matters? - Michael Shermer

    Skeptic/Science/Atheistic

    Sense and goodness without God - Richard Carrier (9.5/10 - A superb read, thoroughly reasoned and argued. Richard Carrier is probably my favourite modern philosopher. Extremely underrated. It would have got a 10 but was slightly put off by the multiverse argument as a replacement for a first cause. Otherwise it was excellent.

    The new atheism - Victor Stenger (7/10 - I'm familiar with most of the arguments in the book so it wasn't a new revelation for me. It was more a rebuttal to people like Dinesh D'Souza and Alliastair McGrath)


    50 voices of disbelief - Various (7.5/10 - A good read. Thought it was much better than "Leaving Islam".

    How are we to live - Peter Singer (7/10 - Overall good, but rambles too much about animal rights in every chapter)

    The Clash of Fundamentalisms Crusades, Jihads and Modernity - Tariq Ali (8.5/10 - Mainly about American foreign policy and imperialism. I like Tariq Ali and with him being a Pakistani atheist it's easier to get a feel of his thought)

    In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism and Islam - Michel Onfray (7/10 - Not bad if you are already an atheist. Some ranting and anger. The muslim would probably dismiss it as out of context)

    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan (10/10 - It's the demi-god Sagan. What more can I say?)

    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq (7/10 - A collection of essays by Islamic scholars such as John Wansborough and others. I would only read it if you want a flavour for what western academics have looked into in terms of studying the Islamic sources. The author leans far too much on others and I would like to see some original thought from him)

    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali (5/10 - The book is so so. I really don't like this woman being one of the people representing frontline muslim apostates. Her knowledge of Islam is poor and very one-sided. Besides Tariq Ramadhan I don't think anyone else would bother debating her. And I wish Sam Harris etc would stop referring to her as a scholar)

    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - Carl Sagan (9/10 - Do I need to add anything here?)

    Varieties Of Scientific Experience - Carl Sagan (9/10 - Put together by Carl Sagans wife. A collection of lectures that he gave in Scotland somewhere)

    Atheism as a Positive Social Force - Raymond W. Converse (8/10 - Fairly rare and unknown work. Looks at sociological aspects of religion from the dawn of humanity and the impact it has had)

    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens (8/10 - Contains words and things written by atheists throughout the centuries. Really for someone already an atheist)

    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins (10/10 - This was the second book I read and the one that made me an apostate. I used to squint at this in the bookstore during my doubts. For the layman really and not something I would give to a theologian to read!)

    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris (9/10 - I like Sam Harris for his blunt attitude and clear response. This is one of them)

    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith (9/10 - A bit old but still hits the mark. Examines the classic arguments and theodicies put forward by the theologians in detail, slightly technical)

    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger (8/10 - This is one of those books that sets out to try to prove a negative, fairs well. I would recommend it to someone with a science and particularly a physics background)

    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion - Robert Spencer (6/10 - I really don't like people who simply have some sort of agenda that claims one religions superiority over another. Although this guy is using purely Islamic sources and quotes extensively, it's the tone in his argument that lets it down)

    The Quest for the Historical Muhammad - Ibn Warraq (9/10 - Again not his own work but good in it's own right. I really want to see some original thought from this guy though)

    Why I Am Not a Muslim - Ibn Warraq (9/10 - The works within the book are fine but again no original thought)

    Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne (10/10 - This is the best book I've read on this subject. There is no
    bashing the opponent, just a simple analysis and laying down of the facts)


    Your Inner Fish: The Amazing Discovery of Our 375-Million-Year-Old Ancestor - Neil Shubin (10/10 - Lighthearted reading showing the similarities we have with our aquatic cousins, inspires awe)

    Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins (9/10 - A classic, I'm sure a review is not needed here)

    The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin (9/10 - The book I would give as a present to friends)

    Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism - David Mills (9/10 - This is the first book I read on the subject of atheism and was the best seller before TGD. Was the first domino and tipped me over the edge)

    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens (10/10 - I have this in paperback and as an audiobook. I think I must have listened to the audiobook in my car about twenty times. I made my missus listen to it as well. I feel that he could have gone on longer with his chapter on Islam. He made a crucial point in the book and one which I didn't think of initially. He said that a rebuttal to one in in effect a rebuttal to all. If the foundation stories of the OT are flawed, then why would the Quranic narratives have any validity? This is my personal favourite)

    Language, Truth and Logic - AJ Ayer (7/10 - Discusses a philosophical position known as "Logical Positivism" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism. Something that has fallen out of favour. One of the key thoughts is that discussing metaphysics isn't wrong, but that it doesn't mean anything)

    50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God - Guy P Harrison (7/10 - Not really a polemic but more discussions about why people believe in God. Was okay but riddled with strawmen)

    The Improbability of God - Michael Martin (8/10 - Very academic and technical. You would really need to be familiar with theology and theodicy big time! Various white papers and refutations to arguments put forward by theologians. Not light reading!)

    Atheism - A Very Short Introduction - Julian Baggini (9/10 - Brilliant! Very short, but very direct. Takes a more balanced view and shows why naturalism is an objective and default way of looking at the world)

    Beyond Good and Evil - R J Hollingdale,  Friedrich W Nietzsche (8/10 - When I first read this book, knowing next to nothing about Nietzsche, I gave it 6/10. After listening to a lecture about him and reading it again I have given it a better score. A complete anti-thesis to religious thought. The book discusses ethics and morals and says that the hand me down morals of christianity should be taken apart and a new set of morals and ethics be put in place)

    Leaving Islam - Ibn Warraq - (7/10 - You can read most of these accounts online. Again no original thought)

    The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality - Andre Comte-Sponville (7/10 - Overall good. Not wishy washy and shows that agnostics and atheists can be spiritual just by being in marvel and awe at the complexities of nature itself)

    Against All Gods - AC Grayling (8/10 - Very short. More like a lecture than a book. Takes about an hour to read)

    Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion - David Hume (9/10 - David Hume is one of my idols. His thought is clear and logical. He discusses two of the arguments put forward by theologians and destroys them. The book takes the format of a dialogue taking place between three friends)

    The End of Faith - Sam Harris (8/10 - Direct and well thought out. Muslims really don't like this guy because his primary target is Islam. He quotes from the Quran, but again muslims would dismiss it as out of context)

    Islamic books
    Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions - Martin Lings
    The Vision of Islam - Sachiko Murata
    The Makkan Crucible - Zakaria Bashier
    Sunshine at Madinah - Zakaria Bashier
    Scattered Pictures: Reflections Of An American Muslim - Imam Zaid Shakir
    Way to the Quran - Khurram Murad; Rashid Rahman
    Milestones - Sayed Qutb
    Fiqh Al-imam: Key Proofs In Hanafi Fiqh - Abdur-Rahman Ibn Yusuf
    Hadith Literature: Its Origin, Development & Special Features - Muhammad Zubayr Siddiqi
    On Schacht's Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence - Muhammad M. al-Azami
    The History of The Qur'anic Text. - Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami.
    Mecca: From Before Genesis Until Now - Martin Lings
    The Eleventh Hour: The Spiritual Crisis of the Modern World in the Light of Tradition and Prophecy - Martin Lings
    What is Sufism? - Martin Lings
    Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings
    Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America - Jeffrey Lang
    Losing My Religion: A Call For Help - Jeffrey Lang
    Struggling to Surrender: Some Impressions of an American Convert to Islam - Jeffrey Lang
    The Broken Chain - Aftab Ahmad Malik
    Let Us Be Muslims - Sayyid A. Mawdudi
    Al-Ghazali on the Remembrance of Death and the Afterlife - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Al-Ghazali's Path to Sufism: His Deliverance from Error - Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali
    Inner Dimensions of Islamic Worship - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Purification of the Heart: Signs, Symptoms and Cures of the Spiritual Diseases of the Heart - Hamza Yusuf
    Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadith - Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi
    The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an English/Arabic - Abdullah Yusuf Ali

    Wish List
    The Republic - Plato
    Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion - Dale Mcgowan
    The Dragons of Eden Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence - Carl Sagan
    Breaking The Spell - Daniel Dennett
    Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life - Daniel C. Dennett
    The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman's Cry for Reason - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking
    Einstein in His Own Words: Science, Religion, Politics, Philosophy - Anne Rooney
    The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie
    The Venture of Islam Vol 1,2,3 - Marshall Hodgson
    The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution - Richard Dawkins
    The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
    The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins
    Being and Time - Martin Heidegger
    The Minds I - Douglas Hofstadter
    The Faith Healers - James Randi
    The Truth about Uri Geller - James Randi
    Flim Flam! - James Randi
    Why Darwin Matter - Michael Shermer
    The Science of Good and Evil - Michael Shermer
    Why People Believe in Weird Things - Michael Shermer
    With God On Our Side - Aftab Malik
    Losing Faith In Faith - Dan Barker
    The Philosophy of Humanism - Corliss Lamont
    Practical Ethics - Peter Singer
    Philosophy: Who Needs It - Ayn Rand
    The Voice of Reason - Ayn Rand
    Capitalism - Ayn Rand
    For the New Intellectual: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - Ayn Rand
    Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology - Ayn Rand
    Existentialism and Humanism - Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Age of Reason - Jean-Paul Sartre
    The Prince - George Anthony Bull, Niccolo Machiavelli
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #78 - November 03, 2009, 11:55 PM

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    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan


    Where did you get a copy of that?  I tried to order it from the local bookshop and they said it was out of print.   Cry

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #79 - November 04, 2009, 12:04 AM

    Its great that you have read all these - which book did you enjoy reading the most, and which book would you say had the most profound impact on you?

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #80 - November 04, 2009, 12:58 AM

    Massive list Omar, perhaps a */10 score for each book you have already read would be great, giving us an idea of what books to avoid or read.  Wink

    On a side note, I ordered the book "Atheist's Guide to Christmas" and it arrived a few days ago, have yet to read it. But it seems to be interesting considering the authors who contributed to it. Also apparently the profit from sales goes to charity, which is another good reason to buy it.

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #81 - November 04, 2009, 07:47 AM

    Where did you get a copy of that?  I tried to order it from the local bookshop and they said it was out of print.   :'(


    I got mine from Ebay. Here is a link to one on there now.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/The-Demon-Haunted-World-Science-as-a-Candl-Carl-Sagan_W0QQitemZ190343705622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_NonFictionBooks_NonFictionBooks_SM?hash=item2c515e7416
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #82 - November 04, 2009, 07:55 AM

    Massive list Omar, perhaps a */10 score for each book you have already read would be great, giving us an idea of what books to avoid or read.  Wink


    I'll amend the list so that there is a score next to each book in the "atheist/skeptic" section. I'm not going to bother with the religious books unless someone specifically wants me to do that.

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    On a side note, I ordered the book "Atheist's Guide to Christmas" and it arrived a few days ago, have yet to read it. But it seems to be interesting considering the authors who contributed to it. Also apparently the profit from sales goes to charity, which is another good reason to buy it.


    Isn't that supposed to be a light hearted read?
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #83 - November 04, 2009, 08:38 AM

    On the fiction side, I'd throw in

    Julian by Gore Vidal or Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut

    I loved that book. In it he invents a new religion called Bokononism. Which is completely made up, and everyone knows its made up, but it makes life more fun, so they go with it.

    Or as the great Bokonon said:

    I wanted all things
    To seem to make sense,
    So we all could be happy, yes,
    Instead of tense.
    And I made up lies
    So that they all fit nice,
    And I made this sad world
    A par-a-dise.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #84 - November 04, 2009, 10:34 AM

    Okay, I've modified the list to include marks out of ten and a small comment. What will say though, is that written work by ex-muslims is really piss poor quality and shows a huge amount of angst and not enough original thought. There have been a couple of books written by Iranian scholars that I've just had to put down after a dozen or so pages. This is probably due to refutations to Islam being in it's infancy.

    Muslims really don't take Dawkins, Harris or Hitchens seriously because they feel that the arguments they present are way off the mark in terms of attacking Islam. They just take one stroke of the razor and say "out of context". For muslims a better read is books by philosophers because it will teach them to question their own thought process rather than the religion itself.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #85 - November 04, 2009, 12:10 PM

    Okay, I've modified the list to include marks out of ten and a small comment. What will say though, is that written work by ex-muslims is really piss poor quality and shows a huge amount of angst and not enough original thought. There have been a couple of books written by Iranian scholars that I've just had to put down after a dozen or so pages. This is probably due to refutations to Islam being in it's infancy.

    Muslims really don't take Dawkins, Harris or Hitchens seriously because they feel that the arguments they present are way off the mark in terms of attacking Islam. They just take one stroke of the razor and say "out of context". For muslims a better read is books by philosophers because it will teach them to question their own thought process rather than the religion itself.


    I second that - philosophy raises questions as to how one understands reality and so forth; it isn't a direct attack on Islam but rather a Muslim walks away and wonders how Islam fits into it, as he or she thinks about it - at the very least the absolutism that many Muslims have about their faith will wither away till you have, hopefully, 1.6billion Reza Aslans - which would be a damn site better than the current situation.

    I've seen staunchly religious people within a few months take a whole new approach to spirituality - which can only be a good thing.

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #86 - November 04, 2009, 12:25 PM

    I know a couple of Muslims who have studied philosophy at degree level and have remained Muslim. I used to wonder what kept them believing in Islam after studying philosophy and now I know. Even though Nietzsche was an atheist, he is associated with a philosophy called perspectivism, which says that there really isn't an objective truth out there and even science is something which is our projection of what we think reality is (a perspective) therefore IMHO muslims view science as a perspective on how things work rather than on the why questions, which is another perspective. I have also heard many scholars say that Muslims should get a thorough grounding in Islamic theology before taking any class in philosophy.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #87 - November 04, 2009, 02:51 PM

    The course point of philosophy is to suspend what you 'believe'. If one believes there to be no objective truth then we should all be agnostics if we are being totally honest with ourselves. To believe in Islam but accept you could be wrong is not complete faith and religions, like Islam, require complete faith from their followers.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #88 - November 04, 2009, 03:05 PM

    The course point of philosophy is to suspend what you 'believe'. If one believes there to be no objective truth then we should all be agnostics if we are being totally honest with ourselves. To believe in Islam but accept you could be wrong is not complete faith and religions, like Islam, require complete faith from their followers.


    The element of doubt or conceding that you might be wrong isn't allowed in Islam. Even entertaining such a notion makes your faith null and void.

    One of the guys I know suspended all his beliefs, studied other religions and philosophy and came back to Islam. He narrowed the choice down to Christianity, Islam and Buddhism.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #89 - November 04, 2009, 03:06 PM

    Its great that you have read all these - which book did you enjoy reading the most, and which book would you say had the most profound impact on you?

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