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  • Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     OP - August 17, 2009, 08:26 PM
    Sounds funny so I decided to start a thread about it...
    May sound like bullcrap, but it makes a lot of sense if you think about it.
    We don't make weird excuses when we don't like something in the Quran.
    We don't whine about false interpretation or false translation of the Quran and Hadith.
    So we are more likely to go to heaven than most muslims.
    Anyone agree? ^^
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  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #1 - August 17, 2009, 09:16 PM
    I donot know , But i have a feeling that the higher being hates me , hated me when i was religious and hates me now ..  Cry
    And i keep having this thought that i want to send God to hell , b4 he sends me  wacko
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #2 - August 17, 2009, 09:18 PM
    It can't be much of a higher being if it hates you.  Why would it create something and then hate it? 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #3 - August 17, 2009, 09:22 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on August 17, 2009, 09:18 PM
    It can't be much of a higher being if it hates you.  Why would it create something and then hate it? 


    That`s what am struggling with these days..
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #4 - August 17, 2009, 09:38 PM
    Quote from: Prosaic on August 17, 2009, 09:16 PM
    I donot know , But i have a feeling that the higher being hates me , hated me when i was religious and hates me now ..  Cry
    And i keep having this thought that i want to send God to hell , b4 he sends me  wacko


    Yeah! I tried and tried my hardest to have this thing called "iman" whatever it is. Yet still I just found it so hard to believe. Maybe I'm one of those who are made for the hell fire!
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #5 - August 17, 2009, 09:42 PM
    Why do you think you are different from most muslim?
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  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #6 - August 17, 2009, 09:44 PM
    Islame, is that a rhetorical question?
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #7 - August 17, 2009, 09:46 PM
    No, i have often wondered why we are different - and I cant put my finger on it.  I certainly dont think we are cleverer or naturally more inspired than the average muslim. 

    So why is it?
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  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #8 - August 17, 2009, 09:52 PM
    I think it's because we are less afraid for everything...
    Muslims are afraid for the hell fire so they don't question things in the Quran or Hadith...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ExMuslims
    Council of Ex-Muslims of the Netherlands will be back!

    Never doubt that a small group of commited people can change te world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #9 - August 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
    Whenever i had thoughts or doubts about Allah or islam , i try so hard to chase them off my mind and think oh this must be shytaan trying to mess up my faith!! and thats what we are told , we shouldnot argue God , and any bad thought must be from the devil.

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #10 - August 17, 2009, 09:55 PM
    I think if there is a Gawd, he is happiest with the bravest of mankind. Apostates would probably be in this category, those who stand up and get counted. Tell their parents that they don't believe anymore, tell their wives, tell their children. Lose a lot of their friends but carry on going because they still would rather be a lone ranger than a sheep.

    And then there are those like me, who are too cowardly to say anything. Not because they are in danger, but because they really can't be bothered causing trouble.

    I salute all of the brave apostates!
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #11 - August 17, 2009, 09:57 PM
    Prosaic, this is exactly the thoughts I had when I was a muslim and I fought them off for a very long time, always thinking that the problem is me and not the religion.
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #12 - August 17, 2009, 09:59 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 17, 2009, 09:55 PM
    I think if there is a Gawd, he is happiest with the bravest of mankind. Apostates would probably be in this category, those who stand up and get counted. Tell their parents that they don't believe anymore, tell their wives, tell their children. Lose a lot of their friends but carry on going because they still would rather be a lone ranger than a sheep.

    And then there are those like me, who are too cowardly to say anything. Not because they are in danger, but because they really can't be bothered causing trouble.

    I salute all of the brave apostates!


    You are not a coward ,at least u are honest with urself, plus "peace of mind" is priceless !
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #13 - August 17, 2009, 09:59 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 17, 2009, 09:46 PM
    No, i have often wondered why we are different - and I cant put my finger on it.  I certainly dont think we are cleverer or naturally more inspired than the average muslim. 

    So why is it?


    On the contrary Muslims think we are stupid for not seeing Allah in his creations.
    ...
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #14 - August 17, 2009, 10:01 PM
    Being honest with yourself isn't actually brave, just application of common sense, and peace of mind is easily achievable.

    But I thank you anyway and I wish that you find the answers that may give you peace of mind.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #15 - August 17, 2009, 10:06 PM
    yw FinallyFree Smiley and thanks for the Good wish , i really need it .
    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #16 - August 17, 2009, 10:13 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 17, 2009, 09:55 PM
    And then there are those like me, who are too cowardly to say anything. Not because they are in danger, but because they really can't be bothered causing trouble.

    Maybe we 2 have to make a "Council of coward ex-muslims"... xD
    Everyone on school knew about my faith, except for my family... xD
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ExMuslims
    Council of Ex-Muslims of the Netherlands will be back!

    Never doubt that a small group of commited people can change te world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #17 - August 17, 2009, 10:14 PM
    You're situation is different, you are young, relient on your parents, have a father and live in a Muslim packed area.

    I am older, not reliant, I don't have a father-just a frail mother and I live in a 99.8% non-Muslim area.

    The only factor with me is because I don't want the trouble!

    So basically, you can't join my band of cowardly ex-Muslims because you are a poser!  Cheesy
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #18 - August 17, 2009, 10:16 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 17, 2009, 10:14 PM
    The only factor with me is because I don't want the trouble!

    I dont think thats true.  From what I remember of your personal situtation is that it is different and more complicated than those usually raised here.  I dont blame you, do what you think is right & the fair thing to do..
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  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #19 - August 17, 2009, 10:19 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 17, 2009, 10:14 PM
    You're situation is different, you are young, relient on your parents, have a father and live in a Muslim packed area.

    I am older, not reliant, I don't have a father-just a frail mother and I live in a 99.8% non-Muslim area.

    The only factor with me is because I don't want the trouble!

    So basically, you can't join my band of cowardly ex-Muslims because you are a poser!  Cheesy


    I think deep inside you aren't a coward...
    You just don't want to hurt your mother's feelings...
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ExMuslims
    Council of Ex-Muslims of the Netherlands will be back!

    Never doubt that a small group of commited people can change te world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #20 - August 17, 2009, 10:20 PM
    Wise words Farid92.
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #21 - August 17, 2009, 10:23 PM
    All I will say now is thanks both, I appreciate it.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #22 - August 17, 2009, 10:26 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 17, 2009, 10:14 PM
    You're situation is different, you are young, relient on your parents, have a father and live in a Muslim packed area.

    I am older, not reliant, I don't have a father-just a frail mother and I live in a 99.8% non-Muslim area.

    The only factor with me is because I don't want the trouble!

    So basically, you can't join my band of cowardly ex-Muslims because you are a poser!  Cheesy


    That's a very good reason to keep quiet about it.  Its not cowardly, its considerate of your mother's feelings.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #23 - August 17, 2009, 10:32 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on August 17, 2009, 10:23 PM
    All I will say now is thanks both, I appreciate it.

    It's why the council was founded... ^^
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/ExMuslims
    Council of Ex-Muslims of the Netherlands will be back!

    Never doubt that a small group of commited people can change te world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #24 - August 17, 2009, 10:33 PM
    Thanks, but being considerate is something I am getting bored of, selfless deeds and actions aren't in my nature and I can only put up with it for so long.


    Thanks anyway though.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #25 - August 17, 2009, 10:35 PM
    Quote from: Prosaic on August 17, 2009, 09:16 PM
    I donot know , But i have a feeling that the higher being hates me , hated me when i was religious and hates me now ..  :'(
    And i keep having this thought that i want to send God to hell , b4 he sends me  wacko


    Awww... Prosaic - if there really is a God, then he loves you for sure.

    If there is a God, he loves all Ex-Muslims Smiley
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #26 - August 17, 2009, 10:38 PM
    Quote from: 20yearstoolong on August 17, 2009, 09:38 PM
    Maybe I'm one of those who are made for the hell fire!


    No, c'mon - I know it's a joke - but I also know what's in the back of the mind of every Muslim.

    HELL DOESN'T EXIST... OK?

    IF... and that is a BIG IF... IF there is a God - then he definitely wont be burning ex-Muslims.

    He wont be burning anyone.

    Not even the bastards - like those stupid Mullahs, who deserve burning!
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #27 - August 17, 2009, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: Farid92 on August 17, 2009, 09:52 PM
    I think it's because we are less afraid for everything...
    Muslims are afraid for the hell fire so they don't question things in the Quran or Hadith...


    I was afraid.

    I'm still afraid at times.

    Maybe that's why it took me so long.

    But my rational/sceptic side won the battle with my fear - eventually!
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #28 - August 17, 2009, 10:42 PM
    Quote from: Prosaic on August 17, 2009, 09:53 PM
    Whenever i had thoughts or doubts about Allah or islam , i try so hard to chase them off my mind and think oh this must be shytaan trying to mess up my faith!! and thats what we are told , we shouldnot argue God , and any bad thought must be from the devil.


    Yep!

    Your mind is corrupted by modern thinking - you must just put your mind to one side and "Hear & Obey!"

    God gave us a mind by mistake.
  • Re: Allah loves Ex-muslims more than he loves Muslims.
     Reply #29 - August 17, 2009, 10:43 PM
    Quote from: Farid92 on August 17, 2009, 09:52 PM
    I think it's because we are less afraid for everything...
    Muslims are afraid for the hell fire so they don't question things in the Quran or Hadith...


    Less afraid?

    I'm still afraid.
    Listening to my uncle give us sermons on the day of judgement and hell and what will happen to those who are judged keeps me up at night wondering if i am wrong and will end up in hell.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

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