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OP - August 18, 2009, 09:19 PM

The famous double slit experiment used a set of single electrons (particles) fired one after the other through 2 slits. The result was an interference pattern which is characteristic of a wave and not a particle. This implied that each single electron would go through both slits; through no slits; through just the left slit and through just the right all at the same time!

Quantum field theory explains this by stating that matter is neither a wave nor a particle. It is something more abstract and could be considered as a simultaneous co-existence of all possibilities. This leads to the idea of superposition i.e. all possibilities potentially existing at the same time.

The sikh scripture mentions the idea of superposition as being an intrinsic part of creation and the creator.

?You have thousands of eyes, and yet You have no eyes. You have thousands of forms, and yet You do not have even one. You have thousands of lotus feet, and yet you do not have even one foot.You have no nose, but you have thousands of noses. This Play of Yours entrances me.?
(SGGS p13)

?He himself is formless, and also formed; the one lord is without attributes, and also with attributes.?
(SGGS p250)

?At the same time, he is both hidden and revealed. For the gurmukh, doubt and fear are dispelled.?
(SGGS p1048)

Another finding from the famous double slit experiment was that when scientists put cameras at each of the slits to observe the actual slit through which any given electron was passing through they discovered that the electrons behaved like particles and created only 2 bands on a screen instead of an interference pattern! So matter behaved differently when interacting with thoughts or the mind.

The sikh scripture also goes further to mention that mind or consciousness and matter are interchangeable and that the spirit of God rests within both.

?You yourself are conscious of your creation.?
(SGGS p1076)

?Wherever i look, i see the lord pervading there, in the union of consciousness and matter.?
(SGGS p21)

?The distinction between mind and matter has been destroyed, and the darkness has been dispelled.?
(SGGS p163)

?He himself is mind, and he himself is matter.?
(SGGS p1236)

"When one bright intellect meets another bright intellect, the light increases and the Way becomes clear -- Rumi
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Reply #1 - August 18, 2009, 09:20 PM

When we move beyond quantum field theory which is already abstract to try and understand the nature of a quantum field we arrive at something which is pure being, something which is beyond the human intellect, something purely abstract and pure existence.

The sikh scripture talks about God as being something intrinsic within the whole of creation, a characteristic of the whole of creation which is also beyond our human intellect and understanding.

?The wisdom of the undying primal being is beyond comprehension.?
(SGGS p212)

?He is beyond calculation, beyond measure, uncountable and unfathomable.?
(SGGS p292)

?God is heard to be one thing, but he is understood to be something else again; he is beyond description and explanation.?
(SGGS p498)

?In an instant, you are one thing, and in another instant, you are another. Wondrous are your ways! You are beautiful, mysterious, profound, unfathomable, lofty, inaccessible and infinite.?
(SGGS p613)

Lincoln Barnet says that according to Einstein?s unified field theory ?The universe is revealed as one eternal field in which each star, each atom, each wandering comet and slow wheeling galaxy and flying electron, is seen to be but a ripple in the underlying space-time unity.?

We find similar words in sikh scripture:

?He pervades everywhere like an unfathomable ripple. No one can understand his play.?(SGGS p275)

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Reply #2 - August 18, 2009, 09:38 PM

Heard of confirmation bias?

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Reply #3 - August 18, 2009, 10:14 PM

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Reply #4 - August 19, 2009, 02:27 AM

Confirmation bias. Keeping the faithful in their own little bubble for centuries.

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Reply #5 - August 19, 2009, 10:10 AM

Quote from: asif on August 18, 2009, 09:19 PM
Another finding from the famous double slit experiment was that when scientists put cameras at each of the slits to observe the actual slit through which any given electron was passing through they discovered that the electrons behaved like particles and created only 2 bands on a screen instead of an interference pattern! So matter behaved differently when interacting with thoughts or the mind.

rofl

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Reply #6 - August 20, 2009, 05:00 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on August 19, 2009, 10:10 AM
rofl

Whats so funny? Hes not lying. Its an over simplification, but in essense its the truth.
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Reply #7 - August 24, 2009, 08:17 PM

The funny part is claiming that "observing" implies interaction with the mind and nothing else.

Like: if you "observe the electron" and just automatically record the electron position to a hard disk and later trash it without looking... the wave function will not magically collapse because no mind interacted with it?

MAYBE, just maybe, the observation method implies some kind of interaction with the electron itself thus causing the collapse of the wave function by mean of how it got observed... not by a sentient being being the spectator. You know?

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Reply #8 - August 24, 2009, 08:27 PM

Also, consider this simple fact:
by the time the electron position has been pinpointed and such information has reached the human brain, the electron has already reached the wall.

So the wave function collapse occurs BEFORE the electron position is processed by any conscious thought.

You could bring in strange theories about the wave function collapsing retroactively, but imagine this paradox:
There is this magic camera that somehow doesn't affect the wave function and sends the electron position to some viewer with a 5 seconds delay.
There is a computer that elaborates the data about the electron particles/waves hitting the wall.
If the computer detects that it acted as particle, it will send a signal to a giant hammer that will slam into the skull of the observer thus preventing him from checking the result from the camera after the 5 seconds have passed.

What is gonna happen then?
if a conscious mind observes the electron position with the camera...
that means that 5 seconds ago the electron collapsed to a particle...
and that means that a particle hit the wall...
and that means the computer triggered the giant hammer that killed the observer before he could observe the electron collapsing to a particle

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Reply #9 - August 24, 2009, 09:21 PM

well done - did you work that out yourself - what have / are you studying?

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Reply #10 - August 25, 2009, 08:26 AM

I just made it up.
Inspired by Shcroedinger's cat and this science fiction book I am reading about time travel and timeline consistencies

I am part-time studying information engineering (cause I was a n00b during my late teen years and I quit university after the 1st year back then)

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