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 Topic: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?

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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #90 - July 28, 2011, 10:24 PM
    I tried that one. It never works for me.
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #91 - July 28, 2011, 10:26 PM
    Going on the offensive and attacking the specific doctrines of Islam as mentioned in the Quran is even more frustrating, because you can't convince/persuade an apologist.  Just the fact that they are an apologist means that they are willing to jump through any hoops to make the unacceptable acceptable, as that is what they have already convinced themselves of.
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #92 - July 28, 2011, 10:43 PM
    Quote from: SunbulRocket on July 28, 2011, 10:24 PM
    I tried that one. It never works for me.

    I tend to say it once, if they don't shut up I just stop responding and start day dreaming. That does work, eventually.
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #93 - July 28, 2011, 10:44 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp#J on July 28, 2011, 10:26 PM
    Going on the offensive and attacking the specific doctrines of Islam as mentioned in the Quran is even more frustrating, because you can't convince/persuade an apologist.  Just the fact that they are an apologist means that they are willing to jump through any hoops to make the unacceptable acceptable, as that is what they have already convinced themselves of.

    And that's why I stick to emotional appeals. Those work, too.
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #94 - July 28, 2011, 10:44 PM
    Going on the offensive tends to rank as one of the worst ways to ‘debate’ a muslim. Watch them go LALALA the instant you mention ‘Aishah’s age.
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #95 - July 28, 2011, 11:09 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 28, 2011, 10:43 PM
    I tend to say it once, if they don't shut up I just stop responding and start day dreaming. That does work, eventually.

     Afro
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #96 - July 28, 2011, 11:11 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 28, 2011, 10:44 PM
    And that's why I stick to emotional appeals. Those work, too.


    But that makes me feel all icky inside. My conscience can't live with that Prince Spinoza, it just can't.
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #97 - July 28, 2011, 11:19 PM
    Vhy nawt?
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #98 - July 28, 2011, 11:23 PM
    Actually, I think its probably just because I find that emotional appeals tend not to work very well in convincing me of anything, so I just don't really consider it to be that effective of a tactic.

    Appeal to humor tends to work well for me, but it just usually makes me laugh and then I forget about the argument.
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #99 - July 28, 2011, 11:28 PM
    Quote from: asbdsp#J on July 28, 2011, 11:23 PM
    Actually, I think its probably just because I find that emotional appeals tend not to work very well in convincing me of anything, so I just don't really consider it to be that effective of a tactic.

    Really? Odd. What sort of emotional appeals do you tend to attempt?
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #100 - July 28, 2011, 11:36 PM
    No I mean I don't attempt them because they tend to fail pretty badly when tried on me.  Wink
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #101 - July 28, 2011, 11:38 PM
    Yeah I got that, but I assumed you would have at least tried to see if they worked on other people. Tongue
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #102 - July 29, 2011, 12:09 AM
    Quote from: Naija Infidel on July 28, 2011, 12:00 PM
    What irritates me most is when they keep using circular logic and get stuck in there.the moment one started using circular logic to defend his arguments, thats when i end the debate because there is nothing i can do to convince one.

    I still cant fathom the idea of accepting the Qur'an as a divine word of Allah just because an ayat in the qur'an says so, other than the Qur'an itself where is the evidence that Qur'an is the true word of Allah. None of them has given me a concrete answer and most of the time they deflect the question itself by bringing silly analogies that doesnt hold a water

    Quote from: asbdsp#J on July 28, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Muslim: Allah has put a seal over your heart.

    ^ This really puts me off talking to Muslims.

    Why bother with coming out if they can't understand or take you seriously?
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #103 - July 29, 2011, 12:14 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp#J on July 28, 2011, 10:26 PM
    Going on the offensive and attacking the specific doctrines of Islam as mentioned in the Quran is even more frustrating, because you can't convince/persuade an apologist.  Just the fact that they are an apologist means that they are willing to jump through any hoops to make the unacceptable acceptable, as that is what they have already convinced themselves of.

    At which point the discussion stops being about Islam, and them trying to convince you of their 'correct' Islam.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #104 - July 29, 2011, 02:00 AM
    Also, unless this is outside the scope of this thread we should also post how our real life debates about Islam have went in here.

    Like if you faced an argument you didn't have a good response to, or if you had success with a particular type of emotional/rational argument, etc.

    Right now this feels too much like a whinge thread, but if it were something more then I think that would be interesting.
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    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #105 - July 29, 2011, 01:11 PM

    Had a conversation with a Muslim acquaintance who had expressed hateful Ahmadiya views in the past. He was talking about how 'attacking' Islam leads to violence against Muslims. Hence, anything that he deemed unacceptable as criticism, should be banned in the same way common assault and violence are criminal offences.

    He was not referring to the kind of bigotry associated with the EDL, but any criticism of Islam no matter how reasonable.

    I asked him how he squared that with his support for the persecution of Ahamadiyas, and he refused to even accept or see the double standard and hypocrisy.

    For the first time in ages, I wanted to bang my head against the wall in frustration.
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #106 - July 29, 2011, 03:10 PM
    I wonder how they live with this kind of mindset in the 21st century.
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #107 - July 29, 2011, 03:37 PM
    Whenever I discuss matters with someone, and he tuns out to be orthodox, I end the discussion, because it will lead to nothing and I have better things to do  Wink No matter if he is a muslim, christian, communist, hindu or whatever.  idiot2
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #108 - July 29, 2011, 09:04 PM
    Quote from: billy on July 29, 2011, 01:11 PM
    Had a conversation with a Muslim acquaintance who had expressed hateful Ahmadiya views in the past. He was talking about how 'attacking' Islam leads to violence against Muslims. Hence, anything that he deemed unacceptable as criticism, should be banned in the same way common assault and violence are criminal offences.

    He was not referring to the kind of bigotry associated with the EDL, but any criticism of Islam no matter how reasonable.

    I asked him how he squared that with his support for the persecution of Ahamadiyas, and he refused to even accept or see the double standard and hypocrisy.

    For the first time in ages, I wanted to bang my head against the wall in frustration.



    This kind of response makes sense for people who are entrenched deeply in an us vs. the world kind of mentality. One way to counteract this is to show examples of critical approaches to other religions in the west. A lot of Muslims seem to have the idea that societies in the west come about from the natural implementation of Christian doctrine, when nothing could be further from the truth. Mentioning things like Piss Christ, virgin dung, etc. goes a long way towards opening eyes.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #109 - July 29, 2011, 11:40 PM
    Quote from: billy on July 29, 2011, 01:11 PM
    Had a conversation with a Muslim acquaintance who had expressed hateful Ahmadiya views in the past. He was talking about how 'attacking' Islam leads to violence against Muslims. Hence, anything that he deemed unacceptable as criticism, should be banned in the same way common assault and violence are criminal offences.

    He was not referring to the kind of bigotry associated with the EDL, but any criticism of Islam no matter how reasonable.

    I asked him how he squared that with his support for the persecution of Ahamadiyas, and he refused to even accept or see the double standard and hypocrisy.

    For the first time in ages, I wanted to bang my head against the wall in frustration.



    This is what I don't understand when people say that any sort of criticism against Islam should not be published or voiced. Even the Shahaba allowed criticism of Islam.

    Also on Ummah.com (tbh the equivalent of the islamic stormfront  Cheesy) I remember reading how quite a few on there wanted to kill people voicing ciriticism against Islam  parrot
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #110 - July 30, 2011, 10:10 AM
    Here in Pakistan, I never ever ever debate or criticize anything to do with religion or politics, I try to stay as far away from it as possible. This includes listening to music only on my headphones so it wouldn't conflict with the azaan, and not buying food during the day in ramadan...

    I remember last year during ramadan, one day I was out of food so I gave a call to have some pizza delivered to my house, and the girl at the call center was like "omigosh we dont deliver pizza during ramadan until iftar time"  jawdrop
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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #111 - July 30, 2011, 02:23 PM
    I agree with the OP.

    I recommend try finding a Muslim who has actually read and studied the Quran (in a language they understand)........ you might have a better convo.

    But good luck finding such a Muslim.*


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  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #112 - August 02, 2011, 12:54 PM
    well then those muslims may not know the answer to your question, so why dont you ask someone who knows about their religion?
  • Re: Why is it so frustrating to debate a Muslim?
     Reply #113 - August 02, 2011, 03:43 PM
    ^ What do you mean?
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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