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 Topic: The Deen of Allah

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  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #90 - September 09, 2009, 08:51 AM


    I dunno why ypou all jump on Muslims when they visit this site, no wonder they never stick aound. To answer any of your questions, just put yourself back into your muslim days and give the amswer you would have given. Or are you expecting something different now?


    I don't think anyone has been rude or nasty to him - almost everyone has been polite. There's nothing wrong with asking questions and trying to get a discussion going - this is a discussion forum after all.

    (u should visit either Ummah.com to see how Muslims treat ex-Muslims/Kuffar or FFI to see how they jump on Muslims - I think we are very civilised here.)
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #91 - September 09, 2009, 08:53 AM

    I dunno why ypou all jump on Muslims when they visit this site

    You thought my post (no.82) was rude  Huh?

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  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #92 - September 09, 2009, 09:13 AM


    (u should visit either Ummah.com to see how Muslims treat ex-Muslims/Kuffar or FFI to see how they jump on Muslims - I think we are very civilised here.)


    That's what I like about this forum. The conversation tends to be more intellectual, and the arguments are not hyperbolic (or islamophobic if you prefer) rants about how muslims are demons from the deep....... the lack of evangelical christians, is a plus.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #93 - September 09, 2009, 11:50 AM

    I don't think anyone has been rude or nasty to him - almost everyone has been polite. There's nothing wrong with asking questions and trying to get a discussion going - this is a discussion forum after all.

    (u should visit either Ummah.com to see how Muslims treat ex-Muslims/Kuffar or FFI to see how they jump on Muslims - I think we are very civilised here.)


    Didn't say nasty or rude, just very..'I think I asked you a question sunshine, and you haven't replied!' As though he is being evasive, when really probably just well aware it is absolutely pointless arguing with ex muslims, just as it is for you arguing, er, discussing, with Muslims And seeing as a lot of you have been on both sides now, well, you don't need to refer to anyone else, just remember what you are like when it comes to lstening to others - basically, that you think you are right, and everyone else is wrong, in the politest of possible ways, of course. Smiley

    And as for Ummah, FF! etc, well, I wouldn't even compare this forum to places like that. Just because they are such a bunch of zealot hot heads (and in some cases, mentally ill - urgh, that guy)...it doesn't take an awful lot to be better than them, and it's great that this forum is so much better and balanced. But there seems to be this train of thought  that because so and so is like that, then we can be like that too, ie; whoever it was that was going to post a false story about Islam, just to get a reaction ('to see how they like it', and you trolling on Ummah for....whatever reasons...entertainment? Like, if it's too quiet, lets kick up a stink mentality. What for, I ask? You've heard the arguments so many times now, do they get boring to you? Are you waiting for the perfect answer that proves, beyond any shred of doubt that you are right and they are wrong? Why?

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #94 - September 09, 2009, 02:27 PM

    Didn't say nasty or rude, just very..'I think I asked you a question sunshine, and you haven't replied!' As though he is being evasive


    Which is generally the MO when dealing with questions of this nature.   Generally. 

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    when really probably just well aware it is absolutely pointless arguing with ex muslims,


    Which would mean something if he were forced to come and post here, which he wasn't.

    For me, I don't want to waste time answering his questions and getting involved if he's going to be like other Muslims who come here and then end up not participating or preaching at us, like we never knew 'the real Islam', and so on and so forth.  A Muslim who wants to listen - that would be something to me, but I need to see it first.


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  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #95 - September 09, 2009, 04:18 PM

    "Which would mean something if he were forced to come and post here, which he wasn't."

    Both sides know its pointless, but do it willingly, probably for a host of reasons, including to see if they can prove they are right.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #96 - September 09, 2009, 06:06 PM

    You've heard the arguments so many times now, do they get boring to you? Are you waiting for the perfect answer that proves, beyond any shred of doubt that you are right and they are wrong? Why?


    Don't really know - sometimes we are driven by forces we don't understand and oddly enough we sometimes do our best - or most memorable things - when we are angry and in a state of conflict within. When things are resolved they tend to go quiet and content.

    I guess we'll get bored when we get bored.
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #97 - September 09, 2009, 06:15 PM

    Well the reason why I am here? I am here because as an Imam I  deal with people on a daily basis, even ex Muslims sometimes. I see how Muslims treat people who were once part of our community, but for whatever reason left it, and I really don't like the way Muslims treat not only non Muslims, but apostates. It's one thing to disagree with a person, quite another to want to spill their blood for something that doesn't warrant it. I would like, perhaps with some of your help form an alternative view, and interpretation of Islam. All of us can agree that the current practice of Islam in most Muslim countries is lacking in what we see in Christianity, and other religions. Such as brotherly love, respect of not only fellow believers, but non believers, and a gentle, loving way of calling them to the faith. I have nothing against anyone personally. We are all human beings, we all relate to the world around us in different ways, and rationalize things differently.
    What I hope to get out of this forum is pretty much get your opinions, and ideas on what is wrong with Islam as it is practiced today. I do love my faith, and I have alot of wonderful, kind people in my congregation, but I know that in the countries where some of you originate from, non Muslims, and those who have left Islam are treated like Animals, and worse. My ex wife is from Nigeria, and she's told me of several stories about what goes on between Muslims, and Christians there.


    You may or may not be surprised to hear that I get a lot of Muslims contacting me and sharing their doubts and concerns. Many of them tell me they can't talk to anyone - least of all their Sheikh or Imam.

    I think that is your number one challenge - to show those Muslims with doubts that they don't have to fear you - they don't have to fear their family or community.

    That it's OK to have doubts.

    It's OK to want to choose how one wants to live one's life

    It's even OK to leave Islam.

    Personally I would genuinely love to see the day Muslims can get over the fact that people can reject Islam and it doesn't mean they are evil.

    Get to a point where they don't just say honour killing is wrong - but challenge the ignorant pride and sense of honour and misogynistic attitudes of the society that creates the backdrop for such things to take place.

    Maybe you would get more Muslims coming to you - and fewer would come to confide in me.
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #98 - September 09, 2009, 06:25 PM

    Both sides know its pointless, but do it willingly, probably for a host of reasons, including to see if they can prove they are right.

    Hey Jack, I've heard you use the same argument before.  Why do you repeat the same question over & over again?
    Secondly Jack why do you visit the site - dont you get bored of reading what you see as the same arguments?

    To get the answers to your questions, you might want to start by taking a look within.


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  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #99 - September 09, 2009, 08:57 PM

    "Which would mean something if he were forced to come and post here, which he wasn't."

    Both sides know its pointless, but do it willingly, probably for a host of reasons, including to see if they can prove they are right.


    No I mean, if he came here because he is an outsider as a Muslim and he really wants to know and understand, why do people leave Islam, what problems do they see with Muslims, then I want to talk to him and that is a real dialog.  But if he's here for dawahganda or to be like goldie used to be and tell us 'oh you just didn't really understand islam', then I wouldn't bother.

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  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #100 - September 09, 2009, 09:44 PM

    Hey Jack, I've heard you use the same argument before.  Why do you repeat the same question over & over again?
    Secondly Jack why do you visit the site - dont you get bored of reading what you see as the same arguments?

    To get the answers to your questions, you might want to start by taking a look within.





    Because it keeps coming up, i'm more amazed than bored by it.

    'Having a look within' sounds a bit spiritual to me, but I'll give it a go. May be a good idea for you too, you seem to need to get something out of your system that maybe a forum won't provide.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #101 - September 09, 2009, 11:31 PM

    May be a good idea for you too, you seem to need to get something out of your system that maybe a forum won't provide.

    I didnt quite understand this bit - if this is what you mean, then I am here because I have finally discoved a group of like-minded individuals who can relate to what I have been through, and I wont get that anywhere else? 

    In any case you posed the initial question, I wasnt puzzled in the slightest in the first place?

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  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #102 - September 10, 2009, 08:14 AM

    I think it's great you're here Islame. Was just reacting to your slightly patronising comment.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: The Deen of Allah
     Reply #103 - September 10, 2009, 12:48 PM

    no probs, I thought you might be  Wink

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