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 Topic: COEM blocked/filtered and censored

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  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #30 - September 09, 2009, 07:29 PM

    I wouldn't deem this to be censorship. This is a normal productivity-threat block. I would think that most agree that a company has the right to block employees from visiting clearly non business related sites while at work?

    I would not recommend trying to circumvent it - you will most probably be reprimanded, maybe even fired.

    /Stefan
  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #31 - September 09, 2009, 07:43 PM

    Who is responsible for blocking it?


    It would proabably be the IT/Network adminstrators. I think they monitor web usage. Which is why I wouldn't try a proxy website either. They may pick upon it.

    So just have to learn to live with it.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #32 - September 09, 2009, 08:14 PM

    Just use different proxies, if you ever get caught, just say you were trying to access work related websites that were blocked (or that they have an error).  Or that its an error.  I remember someone that got caught for spending on average 40 hours a month on porn websites, and that was the excuse he used.

    They can't normally pinpoint desk by desk usage anyway


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  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #33 - September 09, 2009, 08:57 PM

    IsLame, are you seriously arguing that it is ok to chill out, chatting in  communities and/or surfing porn when you are paid to be working?

    Spending one full paid work week out of each month not doing any work is definitely grounds for termination, and it is also most certainly not good for your career, should you get away with it.

    /Stefan
  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #34 - September 09, 2009, 09:03 PM

    IsLame, are you seriously arguing that it is ok to chill out, chatting in  communities and/or surfing porn when you are paid to be working?

    Spending one full paid work week out of each month not doing any work is definitely grounds for termination, and it is also most certainly not good for your career.

    /Stefan

    Not really - I did not pass a moral judement either way in my post?

    However now that you mention it, I dont have a problem with somebody if thats what they do  - its a matter between them & their employer.  

    In any case I dont think anyone can work continuously, and at least during their lunchtimes access should be permitted.  

    I certainly dont have a problem with it provided they get the work done.

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  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #35 - September 09, 2009, 09:18 PM

    Oh yeah

    Forgot to update

    So I found out the name and address of the local NHS systems management (something like that) through my mum, who has contacts. I just didn't tell her what it was for  Cheesy. Sent him a letter. Haven't got a response yet.

    Might send one to someone else if I don't get one this month. Will post the results if I get them soon enough.

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  • Re: COEM blocked/filtered and censored
     Reply #36 - September 09, 2009, 09:28 PM

    Right, let's clarify and update the situation.

    It wasn't blocked from the staff POV-I don't know about that, it was blocked on patient's TVs, I wasn't a member of staff, I was a patient. It's not only that hospital, this entertainment provider are the ones responsible to provide TV/internet/radio etc for Suffolk (the county I live)+Essex hospitals. This entertainment provider uses the same internet server, and I asked a friend to find out, and it's the same situation in the other Suffolk and Essex hospitals-so it has something to do with the internet server/provider. The problem lies with the fact that while Suffolk is almost completely non-Muslim-Essex is very Muslim. Colchester has a university with 50% foreign population and around 40% of those are Muslims, it also has many South Asian Brits, Brentwood, Chelmsford, Thurrock, etc etc all have so many Muslims, so this could be a collective problem. I know it's just a hospital and I'm not sure if the same thing applies to staff, but it's the principal, how many other networks/servers are blocking this site due to the name-that's what worries me.....

    I'm working on both a letter and finding out the contact address right now.

    Thanks for the advice as to content, I will follow it.


    I wouldn't rely on a letter to just the ISP/entertainment provider. I would send the same letter to the ISP, the local hospital administration, someone at the NHS national level, and local, potentially-friendly politicians.

    In my opinion, the letter should include the following points

    (1) COEM is a moderate site that in no way runs afoul of the UK's lovely "hate speech" laws
    (2) Blocking a site simply because it has a secular political agenda is unacceptable censorship
    (3) The fact that views expressed on the site may offend some people due to their religious beliefs is not justification, in and of itself, for censoring the site due to political/religious content
    (4) The ISP either needs to change its policy regarding COEM or the local hospital needs to choose another ISP when the contract expires

    When I send letters like this I find it helps to send them to multiple parties and to research statutory law and, where possible, relevant case law, and include citations accordingly. I'm not talking about a full-on post hearing legal brief here, it's just that this hospital may be running afoul of the law by censoring this site (and may even be violating NHS's own policies) and if so, that would be good to know and put in the letter with some citations to back you up.

    I wouldn't deem this to be censorship. This is a normal productivity-threat block. I would think that most agree that a company has the right to block employees from visiting clearly non business related sites while at work?

    I would not recommend trying to circumvent it - you will most probably be reprimanded, maybe even fired.

    /Stefan


    If you are referring to a.ghazali's post, I'd be inclined to agree. I'm no expert on UK employment law, but if one of my union members here in the US asked me what they should do, as their rep I would certainly advise against attempting to circumvent it, as it could be viewed as "willful misconduct" and thus just cause for discipline, perhaps even summary discharge.

    IsLame, are you seriously arguing that it is ok to chill out, chatting in  communities and/or surfing porn when you are paid to be working?

    Spending one full paid work week out of each month not doing any work is definitely grounds for termination, and it is also most certainly not good for your career, should you get away with it.

    /Stefan


    Dude, what are you? An HR manager or shop foreman?

    fuck you
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