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  • Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     OP - September 02, 2009, 11:46 PM

    From Twitter: http://twitter.com/ExMuslims

    A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.

    Warning: The imam's question-and-answer session, partially reproduced here, contains disturbing descriptions of the sanctioned brutality.

    In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.

    According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."

    At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.

    Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.

    "Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

    Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

    This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"

    Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

    A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:

    "If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."

    One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"

    Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim." 

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  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #1 - September 02, 2009, 11:49 PM

    I didn't know if I had to laugh because it's ridiculous, or be angry with it because of the human rights violation...

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  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #2 - September 03, 2009, 12:06 AM

    Why hasn't this been reported on the bigger news sites?
  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #3 - September 03, 2009, 09:04 AM

    Probably because of these points:

    From Twitter: http://twitter.com/ExMuslims

    A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.

    <snip>

    At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.


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  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #4 - September 03, 2009, 09:33 AM

    Sounds too bad to be true.

    "God is a geometer" - Plato

    "God is addicted to arithmetic" - Sir James Jeans
  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #5 - September 03, 2009, 01:05 PM

    Why hasn't this been reported on the bigger news sites?

    Very good point!  Afro
    Even Ahmedinejad himself denies it.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE57R1R720090828?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604

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    Never doubt that a small group of commited people can change te world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead
  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #6 - September 03, 2009, 01:23 PM

    Quote
    Ahmadinejad implicitly confirmed the abuse allegations, calling for punishment of those responsible for abuses of some post-election detainees.

    "In some detention centers inappropriate measures have taken place for which the enemy was again responsible," he said. "I want those responsible ... to be punished."


    Aren't they arguing that he implicitly confirmed it, i.e the abuse itself. He is silent about the Imam's sanctioning.


    "God is a geometer" - Plato

    "God is addicted to arithmetic" - Sir James Jeans
  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #7 - September 03, 2009, 02:35 PM

    Sounds too bad to be true.

    I'm thinking that too
  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #8 - September 03, 2009, 05:22 PM

    Theres nothing better then religious fanatism paired with hatred and violence...

    Rape is OK`?! Really?! You have to be one sick asshole to say such a thing...

    "We are never deceived, we deceive ourselves." - from Goethes Faust
    "Only the wisest and the stupidest men never change." - Confuzios
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  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #9 - September 03, 2009, 09:52 PM

    I cannot help but vomit after reading this article. It is so sick and disgusting. This better be real, because if it isnt, I just puked for no reason...

    But I'd rather that it not be true. It is so disgusting.  Cry

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  • Re: Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
     Reply #10 - September 03, 2009, 09:58 PM

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. Ahmedinejad is more then aware of what goes in in Evan prison and he's done fuck all about it.
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