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  • High IQ turns academics into atheists
     OP - September 05, 2009, 12:25 PM

    High IQ turns academics into atheists   

    Intelligence is a predictor of religious scepticism, a professor has argued. Rebecca Attwood reports

    Belief in God is much lower among academics than among the general population because scholars have higher IQs, a controversial academic claimed this week.

    In a forthcoming paper for the journal Intelligence, Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, will argue that there is a strong correlation between high IQ and lack of religious belief and that average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 countries.

    In the paper, Professor Lynn - who has previously caused controversy with research linking intelligence to race and sex - says evidence points to lower proportions of people holding religious beliefs among "intellectual elites".

    The paper - which was co-written with John Harvey, who does not report a university affiliation, and Helmuth Nyborg, of the University of Aarhus, Denmark - cites studies including a 1990s survey that found that only 7 per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God. A survey of fellows of the Royal Society found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God at a time when a poll reported that 68.5 per cent of the general UK population were believers.

    Professor Lynn told Times Higher Education: "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God."

    He said that most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence - and their intelligence increased - many began to have doubts and became agnostics.

    He added that most Western countries had seen a decline of religious belief in the 20th century at the same time as their populations had become more intelligent.

    Andy Wells, senior lecturer in psychology at the London School of Economics, said the existence of a correlation between IQ and religiosity did not mean there was a causal relationship between the two.

    Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society at Birkbeck, University of London, said that any examination of the decline of religious belief needed to take into account a wide and complex range of social, economic and historical factors.

    He added: "Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way could reflect a dangerous trend, developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive, which - while we are trying to deal with very complex issues of religious and cultural pluralism - is perhaps not the most helpful response."

    Alistair McFadyen, senior lecturer in Christian theology at the University of Leeds, said that Professor Lynn's arguments appeared to have "a slight tinge of intellectual elitism and Western cultural imperialism as well as an antireligious sentiment".

    David Hardman, principal lecturer in learning development at London Metropolitan University, said: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless, there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability - or perhaps willingness - to question and overturn strongly felt intuitions."

    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=402381

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #1 - September 05, 2009, 12:48 PM

    I hope they really do more studies on that. It might turn Atheism into a hip or a cool trend. People might want to look smarter by renouncing religion!! LOL  whistling2

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #2 - September 05, 2009, 01:28 PM

    I think it makes logical sense. I think IQ affects religious important and GDP. I think also that these days with information flowing so freely, it allows people while young and a bit more open minded to accept those memes before being closed minded older adults.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/religion_vs_iq.html
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #3 - September 05, 2009, 01:42 PM

    thanks for the link, must admit I was not that convinced until I saw this graph

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LynnHarveyNyborg-CountryBelieveGod-Intelligence.svg

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #4 - September 05, 2009, 02:03 PM

    My auntie and uncle were once boasting that their kids didn't go to university because, according to them, when people go to university, they go "harab" (corrupted). I suppose they have a point. All the people in my family who went to university are more liberal and free thinking than my auntie and uncle's children who did not go to University.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #5 - September 05, 2009, 02:26 PM


    Alistair McFadyen, senior lecturer in Christian theology at the University of Leeds, said that Professor Lynn's arguments appeared to have "a slight tinge of intellectual elitism and Western cultural imperialism as well as an antireligious sentiment".



     Huh?

    I have seen similar terms are often used by religious, nationalist and other nuts to argue against gay rights, women's rights, freedom of speech & religion etc..

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #6 - September 05, 2009, 02:50 PM

    My auntie and uncle were once boasting that their kids didn't go to university because, according to them, when people go to university, they go "harab" (corrupted). I suppose they have a point. All the people in my family who went to university are more liberal and free thinking than my auntie and uncle's children who did not go to University.


    Yep, that's what these parents do to keep their kids brainwashed. Furthermore, it limits their career potential, therefore keeping them economically dependent.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #7 - September 05, 2009, 04:09 PM

    I've been hearing this Richard Lynne dude quoted a lot lately, usually in the context of someone trying to "prove" that black people are less intelligent than white.  I'm skeptical of his research, I think it may contain a fair amount of confirmation bias.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #8 - September 05, 2009, 04:28 PM

    I think Lynne deliberately misses many factors in order to prove a point.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #9 - September 05, 2009, 05:11 PM

    I've been hearing this Richard Lynne dude quoted a lot lately, usually in the context of someone trying to "prove" that black people are less intelligent than white.  I'm skeptical of his research, I think it may contain a fair amount of confirmation bias.


    I don't think it is just coincidence the western world (& Far Eastern region) are more advance. I think his explanation makes a lot of sense:

    The theory I have advanced to explain these race differences in IQ is that when early humans migrated from Africa into Eurasia they encountered the difficulty of survival during cold winters. This problem was especially severe during the ice ages. Plant foods were not available for much of the year and survival required the hunting and dismembering of large animals for food and the ability to make tools, weapons and clothing, to build shelters and make fires. These problems required higher intelligence and exerted selection pressure for enhanced intelligence, particularly on the Orientals.

    I do agree that Lynne's methods are somewhat questionable, like the averaging of IQ's and some of the IQ scores in particular, but hey, I'd rather scientists look at this issue head on rather than sugar coating the truth so that practical steps can be taken forward. E.g. I come from a gene pool where there is high corruption. I can see it just from mannerisms and characteristics, e.g. cheating. I'd rather such people are educated about corruption, than let it persist. This is a rather tin pot example.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #10 - September 05, 2009, 05:20 PM

    While we are at it, if this stuff intrigues you ...

    The Economist - Why Ashkenazi Jews have slightingly higher IQ
    (full version here)

    Personal favorite, why Bangladesh isn't a prosperous country.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #11 - September 05, 2009, 05:22 PM

    Obviously academics are less likely to be religious because they have had better access to education.

    I've been hearing this Richard Lynne dude quoted a lot lately, usually in the context of someone trying to "prove" that black people are less intelligent than white.  I'm skeptical of his research, I think it may contain a fair amount of confirmation bias.


    This unscrupulous eugenics 'scientist' gets undeserved press partly because he's 'controversial' and because those who run the press lap such ideas up. However he has no scientific credibility.

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    Lynn has received at least $325,000 from the Pioneer Fund (Rolling Stone, 10/20/94). He frequently publishes in eugenicist journals like Mankind Quarterly--published by Roger Pearson and co-edited by Lynn himself--and Personality and Individual Differences, edited by Pioneer grantee Hans Eysenck. Among Lynn's writings cited in The Bell Curve are "The Intelligence of the Mongoloids" and "Positive Correlations Between Head Size and IQ."

    Murray and Herrnstein describe Lynn as "a leading scholar of racial and ethnic differences." Here's a sample of Lynn's thinking on such differences: "What is called for here is not genocide, the killing off of the population of incompetent cultures. But we do need to think realistically in terms of the 'phasing out' of such peoples.... Evolutionary progress means the extinction of the less competent. To think otherwise is mere sentimentality." (cited in Newsday, 11/9/94)

    Elsewhere Lynn makes clear which "incompetent cultures" need "phasing out": "Who can doubt that the Caucasoids and the Mongoloids are the only two races that have made any significant contributions to civilization?" (cited in New Republic, 10/31/94)

    Lynn's fingerprints are all over the footnotes to Chapter 13. In discussing the question of Asian intellectual superiority, Murray and Herrnstein say that the affirmative position has been well defended by Lynn, but that the question can only be decided by "data obtained from identical tests administered to populations that are comparable except for race."

    "We have been able to identify three such efforts," the authors announce--two that support the concept of Asian superiority and one that does not. A review of the footnotes reveals a sleight of hand: The two tests that support Lynn's thesis were conducted by Lynn himself. (See New York Review of Books, 12/1/94.)


    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1271


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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #12 - September 05, 2009, 05:31 PM

    scary!

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    Murray and Herrnstein describe Lynn as "a leading scholar of racial and ethnic differences." Here's a sample of Lynn's thinking on such differences: "What is called for here is not genocide, the killing off of the population of incompetent cultures. But we do need to think realistically in terms of the 'phasing out' of such peoples.... Evolutionary progress means the extinction of the less competent. To think otherwise is mere sentimentality." (cited in Newsday, 11/9/94)

    Elsewhere Lynn makes clear which "incompetent cultures" need "phasing out": "Who can doubt that the Caucasoids and the Mongoloids are the only two races that have made any significant contributions to civilization?" (cited in New Republic, 10/31/94)


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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #13 - September 05, 2009, 05:38 PM

    I don't think it is just coincidence the western world (& Far Eastern region) are more advance. I think his explanation makes a lot of sense:

    The theory I have advanced to explain these race differences in IQ is that when early humans migrated from Africa into Eurasia they encountered the difficulty of survival during cold winters. This problem was especially severe during the ice ages. Plant foods were not available for much of the year and survival required the hunting and dismembering of large animals for food and the ability to make tools, weapons and clothing, to build shelters and make fires. These problems required higher intelligence and exerted selection pressure for enhanced intelligence, particularly on the Orientals.

    I do agree that Lynne's methods are somewhat questionable, like the averaging of IQ's and some of the IQ scores in particular, but hey, I'd rather scientists look at this issue head on rather than sugar coating the truth so that practical steps can be taken forward. E.g. I come from a gene pool where there is high corruption. I can see it just from mannerisms and characteristics, e.g. cheating. I'd rather such people are educated about corruption, than let it persist. This is a rather tin pot example.

    Africa is hardly an easy place to live in either considering a lot of it is desert. You need survival skills regardless of where you live. When you take into account Africa's history of slavery it is hardly a surprise that it is a hugely underdeveloped country. Underdeveloped countries will have low education rates hence the low IQ. Lynne is ridiculously oversimplifying the issue. I don't doubt that black people generally have a lower IQ overall considering there are more black people in poverty than whites in the world. This does not mean white people are more intelligent because they have a different skin colour, it is because they have more access to better education. If blacks had the same opportunities then the IQ gap would most likely not exist.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #14 - September 05, 2009, 05:44 PM

    "Scientists" who believe intelligence is based on one's "race" and homosexuality is caused by an infection, ought not to be taken seriously, even when they supposedly put your own kind of people on a pedestal.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #15 - September 05, 2009, 06:18 PM

    So far all the ex-Muslims I have met, were educated and professionals and definitely with higher iq levels. So I do completely agree with this article. One needs a certain level of intelligence to escape the pull of religious forces.

    As far as discussion about racial qualities is concerned, we all agree that some breeds of dogs are aggressive and some are affectionate. We also agree that few breeds of dogs are intelligent and better learner than other breeds. We also agree that this is not limited to dogs. Polar bears have a different personality compared to European continental bears. This applies to all animals.

    But when it comes to humans, we try to be nice and we reject all scientific evidence that different races have different charistristics and there are variations.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #16 - September 05, 2009, 06:31 PM

    Whether or not these studies are flawed, I agree that there is no reason that all races should be of equal intelligence when there are differences in birth weight, colour, height, muscle to fat ratios etc. 

    Particularly if we accept that there are different factors attributing to reproductive success according to culture, region, history and race.  I would accept such findings even if it attributed my race with the lowest IQ levels.

    However I would like to see the tests they were given, and if such tests were biased towards education levels which would of course be unfair.  I am in 2 minds as any test that tests logical ability will be biased towards those that are educated.  On the other hand such tests have been done on adopted children of 2 different races, with similar backgrounds.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #17 - September 05, 2009, 06:41 PM

    I don't think it is just coincidence the western world (& Far Eastern region) are more advance. I think his explanation makes a lot of sense:

    The theory I have advanced to explain these race differences in IQ is that when early humans migrated from Africa into Eurasia they encountered the difficulty of survival during cold winters. This problem was especially severe during the ice ages. Plant foods were not available for much of the year and survival required the hunting and dismembering of large animals for food and the ability to make tools, weapons and clothing, to build shelters and make fires. These problems required higher intelligence and exerted selection pressure for enhanced intelligence, particularly on the Orientals.

    I do agree that Lynne's methods are somewhat questionable, like the averaging of IQ's and some of the IQ scores in particular, but hey, I'd rather scientists look at this issue head on rather than sugar coating the truth so that practical steps can be taken forward. E.g. I come from a gene pool where there is high corruption. I can see it just from mannerisms and characteristics, e.g. cheating. I'd rather such people are educated about corruption, than let it persist. This is a rather tin pot example.


    If the methodology of their research is questionable then they're not really tackling it head on.  Dishonest research is no more use to us than sugar coated truth.  As for the corruption example, I think you're over estimating genes and under estimating culture in causing that problem.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #18 - September 05, 2009, 07:32 PM

    Fair enough, I'd love to see some proper, reliable data on it all - just doesn't seem to exist. Specifically, I'd really like to see emotional intelligence (EQ) levels. I think people under estimate the power of EQ, especially in business. It's gaining some ground though.

    In any case, even if one does have a lower/average IQ at least we live in a flat enough world to work hard and attain knowledge and still succeed. I think it is in Gladwell's book on Outliers where he states that if you give any person 10 years to master something, they'll be an expert in it.

    Re: corruption: I don't think it is just coincidence that, generally, lower rated IQ regions have lower GDP, high importance in religion and high levels of corruption. I think there would be a highly correlated corruption Vs EQ level graph if the data existed, more so than just corruption Vs IQ.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #19 - September 05, 2009, 07:37 PM

    Whether or not these studies are flawed, I agree that there is no reason that all races should be of equal intelligence


    There is no reason at all why there should be. Such claims are rejected in scientific circles.

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    when there are differences in birth weight, colour, height, muscle to fat ratios etc.


    Minor differences like skin pigmentation and, in some cases (nearly all people are able to grow to 6ft) height, are a far cry from differences in intelligence, something which is poorly understood anyway.

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    Particularly if we accept that there are different factors attributing to reproductive success according to culture, region, history and race.  I would accept such findings even if it attributed my race with the lowest IQ levels.


    I think we should bury the concept of race in the dustbin of history.

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    However I would like to see the tests they were given, and if such tests were biased towards education levels which would of course be unfair.  I am in 2 minds as any test that tests logical ability will be biased towards those that are educated.  On the other hand such tests have been done on adopted children of 2 different races, with similar backgrounds.


    Let's give everyone free and equal access to the means of education. By then no-one would be thinking about 'race differences' anyway.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #20 - September 05, 2009, 07:56 PM

    I don't think it is just coincidence that, generally, lower rated IQ regions have lower GDP, high importance in religion and high levels of corruption[/url]. I think there would be a highly correlated corruption Vs EQ level graph if the data existed, more so than just corruption Vs IQ.


    I wouldn't think it's just a coincidence that countries with higher GDP's which are more developed, with not only higher levels of education and literacy, but also more rigorous population-wide testing record higher IQs.

    IQ has been rising by 3 points every decade in developed countries according to James Flynn. This is bound to be repeated elsewhere.

    Note: the graph you provided, while only recording perceptions of corruption, contradicts your claim(s) very starkly.

    And that we live in a sufficiently flat world is laughable.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #21 - September 05, 2009, 09:06 PM

    But when it comes to humans, we try to be nice and we reject all scientific evidence that different races have different charistristics and there are variations.


    Humans have the ability to LEARN, to analyze, to choose a new understanding over an older tradition. This is why intelligence, which is really too complex a topic to be measured by only 1 measurement tool, can't be automatially assigned to one race over others. Sociocultural values (such as higher education, which is valued AND accessible to more people in the 'developed' nations) gave people in the past the impression that white people were more intelligent than africans. This is a dangerous way to classify humans, and its purpose is to to justify racism. In fact race is an artificial construct that has much more to do with social-cultural environment that one is raised in than with any physiological or biological factor. Race doesn't actually exist. But racism certainly does. It's just bigotry and there are bigoted scientists too.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #22 - September 05, 2009, 09:10 PM

    IsLame, I like your arguments, very logical.

    Lets ignore the opportunities and the GDP for a while. My question is, are people able to get higher education because they have higher IQ? Or they have higher IQ because they had higher education?

    I think education does not increase ones IQ level. But if one has a higher IQ level, they are more likely to go for higher education.

    Secondly, there are many countries who have higher GDP because of oil for example but I don't think they have demonstrated that they are nations of exceptionally smart people.

    So I think nations with higher GDP (except oil rich) have higher GDP because of higher IQ, rather than the other way around.
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #23 - September 05, 2009, 09:18 PM

    As someone who loves studying anthropology I would have to say race is very real and concrete. You can't just depigment someone or make them taller to change their race, it is etched in DNA. Haplogroup markers (both mtDNA and yDNA) are scientifically definitive and used by CSI, hospitals, genetic tests etc etc to show human migrations over thousands of years and roughly correspond with "races" for example, certain haplogroups are found exclusively among West Eurasians, and others among East Asians and others among Sub Saharan Africans. And some haplogroups are found in higher frequencies among different ethnic lines. As are traits, diseases etc.

    It would be a nice thought to say this is bullshit but it isn't.

    It's not that I judge people on the basis of their race, but nature seems to at least. Of course, there are no pure races, but ethnicities do bunch up into groups, and if you don't want to call it a race you need to find an alternative label.

    IQ may have something to do with race. East Asian countries rack up much higher than any other country on average (120-130 averages) while sub-Saharan African countries fall short (70-85) when it comes to IQ, but I don't like IQ as a measure personally-although it is the best we have. Perhaps there are plenty of other factors, but race can be a fairly logical explanation

    We shouldn't assign anything with credible evidence to dustbins,, even if we don't like half the people who talk about it.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #24 - September 05, 2009, 09:25 PM

    Why there are no more new successful religions? Is it because our IQ is getting better? Were our ancestors dumper than us?

    Interesting. You hear of a cult every now and then, like David Koresh for example, but only few hundreds follow them and usually not successful in a Jesus or Mohamed scale... Why is that? Thinking hard

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #25 - September 05, 2009, 09:26 PM

    Of course migrations and environmental adaptations have occured over the past several millenia to give humans physically distinguishable characteristics. My point is that in today's world, to say that all black people are mentally inferior to all white people based just on their "races" is a fallacy. How many black people have access to the same socio-cultural, economic and educational OPPORTUNITIES compared to whites? This is not about blaming white people, this is about understanding that it is very likely that highly intelligent people are living in the refugee camps in Zimbabwe, the slums of Bombay and the rice fields of Bangladesh, but who are not able to live self-actualized lives due to the very limited opportunities they have because they were born where they were born.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #26 - September 05, 2009, 09:29 PM

    I think education does not increase ones IQ level. But if one has a higher IQ level, they are more likely to go for higher education.

    And you're wrong. Get this: people can be taught to do IQ tests. In other words, the tests that are supposed to be an objective measure of inherent intelligence are vulnerable to variation in results caused by simple training and repetition. This is a very basic example of "education increasing one's IQ". Quite apart from that you have the simple "use it or lose it" problem. If you don't use your brains you're less likely to be good at using them.



    Ok, let's check that out in more detail. If this theory is correct then the possessors' of the world's highest IQ's should be the Inuit and Laplanders. They should be significantly smarter than the silly old Chinese, who only had to grow rice and stuff like that. They should be much smarter than the English, of course.

    By the way, we wont mention that the Kalahari Bushmen hunt very large animals (like elephants) using sophisticated techniques in an incredibly harsh environment because, well, they're small and black and don't have computers so that would bugger the theory. parrot

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #27 - September 05, 2009, 09:29 PM

    All that said, the concept of "brain drain" out of nations is applicable today like in the article about Bangladesh above.

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  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #28 - September 05, 2009, 09:30 PM

    So far all the ex-Muslims I have met, were educated and professionals and definitely with higher iq levels. So I do completely agree with this article. One needs a certain level of intelligence to escape the pull of religious forces.

    As far as discussion about racial qualities is concerned, we all agree that some breeds of dogs are aggressive and some are affectionate. We also agree that few breeds of dogs are intelligent and better learner than other breeds. We also agree that this is not limited to dogs. Polar bears have a different personality compared to European continental bears. This applies to all animals.

    But when it comes to humans, we try to be nice and we reject all scientific evidence that different races have different charistristics and there are variations.


    You use dogs to explain your point?When you are talking about humans and intelligence?And want to make it into that some races are more intelligence than others?

    What a foolish argument!And when it comes to dogs,the mixed breed dogs,are the best,both in health,temperement,learning abillity,the pure dog races has a lot of issues.
    We are all connected with one another,we humans,and there is not something called races,among us.On the inside,where it all matters,we are just the same!
  • Re: High IQ turns academics into atheists
     Reply #29 - September 05, 2009, 09:34 PM

    IQ may have something to do with race. East Asian countries rack up much higher than any other country on average (120-130 averages) while sub-Saharan African countries fall short (70-85) when it comes to IQ, but I don't like IQ as a measure personally-although it is the best we have. Perhaps there are plenty of other factors, but race can be a fairly logical explanation


    I am pleasantly surprized to find out that far easterns have the highest average IQ. Though I do believe that different races have varied IQ levels, I am sick and tired of websites from some low IQ white indiveduals who keep telling us that they are better than others.

    Can you please give me a reference or a link to this geographical average IQ data?
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