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  • Demo Today in London
     OP - September 13, 2009, 09:39 AM

    Anyone going to Trafalgar square today to 'stop islamification'? I hope that smug git Condell is there to see how his little darlings are getting on with spreading his word. Stupid bunch of bozo's. English Defence League - yeah yeah.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #1 - September 13, 2009, 09:41 AM

    There is no such thing as the "Islamification of Britain". A lot of the people who are opposed to the "Islamification of Britain" just seem opposed to Muslims having the same rights as the rest of us.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #2 - September 13, 2009, 09:42 AM

    They're just a bunch of thick racists.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #3 - September 13, 2009, 10:49 AM

    Were "Stop Islamification of Europe" behind the Harrow Mosque demo?

    They are a bunch of racist shit-stirrers.

    __________________________

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gu_cRpb8W0uJLux-VMl1Z1Rg3sXAD9ALTJHO0

    UK troubled by anti-Islam rallies, counterprotests
    By RAPHAEL G. SATTER ? 17 hours ago
    LONDON ? Violent clashes between anti-Islam demonstrators and Muslim counter-protesters in English cities are worrying the government, with one British minister comparing the disturbances to 1930s-era fascist incitement.

    The violence that has hit Luton, Birmingham and London in the last few months has involved a loose collection of far-right groups - such as the previously unknown English Defense League ? on one side and anti-fascist organizations and Muslim youth on the other.

    In an interview published Saturday, Communities Minister John Denham accused the anti-Islam protesters of deliberately stirring up trouble.

    "The tactic of trying to provoke a response in the hope of causing wider violence and mayhem is long established on the far-right and among extremist groups," Denham was quoted as saying by The Guardian newspaper. "You could go back to the 1930s if you wanted to ? Cable Street."

    Denham was referring to a 1936 confrontation sparked by British fascist leader Oswald Mosley's decision to march through the then-heavily Jewish East End of London. Mosley's pro-Nazi followers were met at Cable Street by Jews, communists and anarchists, and a pitched battle ensued.

    The English Defense League rejects the fascist label, arguing that it only opposes militant Islam. On its Web site, the group claims that the violence at its rallies has been provoked by Muslims and far-left groups.

    The group did not respond to requests for comment Saturday.


    Muslim Council of Britain spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said the League's stated opposition to militant Islam was just "a fig leaf" to hide the group's true anti-Muslim mission.

    "These are not people who support community cohesion," he said.

    Bunglawala added that Muslim Council, an umbrella group for British Muslim organizations, had seen a spike in anti-Muslim incidents ? including arson attacks on mosques ? in the past few months.

    "These are extremely worrying developments," he told The Associated Press on Saturday.
    British media have traced the origins of the League to Luton, an ethnically mixed town north of London which in March was the site of a small but widely covered protest against the British Army. Bearded Islamists picketed a homecoming parade for British soldiers returning from Iraq, holding up signs accusing the men of being "butchers" and "baby-killers."

    Tensions boiled over in May, when a demonstration by a far-right group calling itself United People of Luton led to South Asian businesses being attacked and cars being smashed.
    In August the group's successor, the English Defense League, tried to mount a protest in Birmingham, where they clashed with anti-fascist demonstrators. This month, the League's second attempt at a Birmingham protest quickly descended into violence, with some 200 people ? many of them of South Asian descent ? seen fighting, throwing projectiles and running from riot police. Police made 90 arrests.

    On Friday, an openly Islamophobic group, Stop Islamification of Europe, promised an evening protest outside a northwest London mosque to coincide with the eighth anniversary of Sept. 11 and with Ramadan, the Muslim holy month.

    Only a handful of demonstrators showed up ? and they were vastly outnumbered by Muslims coming to defend the mosque.

    Police hustled the protesters away from the angry crowd. But television footage showed Muslim youths racing through the streets shouting "Allahu Akbar!", waving Islamic banners and throwing projectiles at riot police. Scotland Yard reported 10 arrests.

    "They gave the fascists and far-right what they wanted, and I think that's a shame," lawmaker Tony McNulty told Sky News television.

    The far-right League, meanwhile, has promised more protests in London, Luton, Manchester and Leeds over the next few weeks.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #4 - September 13, 2009, 10:49 AM

    Apparently these guys are supported by something called 'For a Secular and Democratic Iran'.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #5 - September 13, 2009, 10:53 AM

    this is why i am against protests full stop.

    It doesnt bring people together.

    Why dont the nazis have a game of football with some muslims, have a curry after and enjoy the short time they have in life together like this. That way we might get past any need to 'protest' in the first place.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #6 - September 13, 2009, 10:55 AM

    I often get told by Muslims on Youtube for contributing to this racist right-wing movement.

    But on the contrary, I believe it is vital to show that one does NOT have to be a racist thug to criticise Islam and we offer a third way - one that has no right-wing agenda, no agenda for 'sending them back home' etc...

    We support a plural, multi-ethnic and multi-religion secular society as the best way of protecting everyone's rights and freedom.

    If we weren't here then it people would have no choice but the right-wing thugs or the pc crowd  - or keeping silent.

  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #7 - September 13, 2009, 11:00 AM

    I agree hassan and support you. There has to be a voice of reason - not based on hate and division, but on understanding and honesty. You are by and large a leader of that.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #8 - September 13, 2009, 11:04 AM

    HOWEVER!!

    lol

    I dont think just standing in one corner and yelling 'nazi scum' gets anoyone anywhere.

    true, they hold awful views, but meeting them with labels that back them up is wrong in my view. Who ever goes out of their way to talk to these 'racist thugs'? nobody.

    And if they are not given care a platform to engage in discussion they will grow and grow in their hate, division and deluded thoights.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #9 - September 13, 2009, 11:12 AM

    And if they are not given care a platform to engage in discussion they will grow and grow in their hate, division and deluded thoughts.


    Fair point - but it seems both them and the extreme elements in the Muslim community are not interested in discussion - just starting a fight.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #10 - September 13, 2009, 11:20 AM

    As much as believe that Britain has always had a minority of neo-Nazi's, this recent round of anti-Muslim activism was sparked by Islamist extremists in Luton. Both extremes feed off each other.

    However, in the middle you have this large and diverse Muslim population who doesn't know where it stands on key issues like integration, our army, our government etc. That is the real problem.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #11 - September 13, 2009, 12:24 PM

    I have many friends, who were born in the Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE. They were not only born there but they spent over quarter of a century there. But they have no right there. They can never become a citizen. When they go to a hospital, this does not matter who came first or who had an appointment. Arabs are seen first and non Arabs have to wait until all Arab patients have been seen. If there is ever a dispute, the non-Arab is always the culprit, no matter what. No one has no right and the Arabs have the absolute right over everything.

    Western Europe has been the most tolerant region in the world. Everyone has same rights. All races are equally treated by the law as well as by the society. But instead of appreciating, Muslims want to conquer this country. Anjum Choudhry, and others, openly say that they want Islamic flag on the 10 Downing Street and on the Parliment building. Every mosque is pushing for sharia law.

    Instead of discouraging Muslims, the Labour govenment has been eager to please Muslims. Tax payers money is being spent to fund radical Islamic school of thought.

    Now please, can someone tell me is that not a little bit unfair with the natives of this country? Don't they have a right to complain?
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #12 - September 13, 2009, 08:03 PM

    Oho, look what the English Defense League are selling on e-Bay.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180404575974

    That slogan seems oddly familiar.... whistling2

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #13 - September 13, 2009, 08:17 PM

    I'm bloody glad we didn't get involved with SIOE when this place started off. There was a suggestion that we should affiliate with them but we decided they looked far too dodgey.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #14 - September 13, 2009, 09:35 PM

    I got this Press Release from MCB in my mail - and to be fair most of it is very sensible advice.

    Press Release
     
    Do Not be Provoked by Bigots
     
    12 September 2009
     
    Guidance for mosques and associations
     
    The Muslim Council of Britain today urges mosques and associations to be vigilant and exercise caution in the face of growing provocation from the far right and the recent violent attacks of worshippers outside mosques. While the threat is real, Muslims should resort to lawful, peaceful and conciliatory means to ensure the safety of their institutions and their community. We agree with the Communities Secretary John Denham who condemns the far right and observes that their actions are designed to provoke Muslims.
     
    The MCB therefore commends the strategy of the MCB affiliate Harrow Central Mosque who responded to the provocation by deploying all reasonable and peaceful means to counter far-right anti-Muslim demonstrations. This included ensuring an inter-faith response against the racists, cautioning young Muslims against joining counter-protests and enlisting more volunteer stewards to protect the mosque and persuade our young people to behave. The Mosque came together with the local police, MPs, councillors and other leaders who expressed solidarity with the local Muslim community.
     
    To this end, the Muslim Council of Britain advises the Muslim community to:
     
    Report any suspicious behaviour to the police, and follow the guidelines for protecting your institutions below.
    If there is a threat from the far right (through demonstrations, leafleting etc.) work with your local community to establish a united stand against the bigots. Reach to other faith communities, contact your MPs and councillors and get in touch with the police.
    At Jumuah, and during the rest of Ramadan, remind your community, especially the young about their responsibilities as Muslims. Remind our brothers and sisters that they should not be provoked as this plays into the hands of bigots who wish to denigrate our faith and community.
     
    MCB re-issues its longstanding advice:
     
    MAINTAINING SAFETY OF ISLAMIC INSTITUTIONS
     
    Develop good relations with neighbours. This is an Islamic responsibility and is likely to act as a major deterrent to crime and vandalism.
    Installing CCTV cameras around mosques and Islamic schools/institutes will help secure them.
    You may be entitled to grants from your local authority for crime prevention.
    Keep on the lookout for any suspicious looking packages or bags that may have been left outside, and also possibly, inside mosques and Islamic centres.
    Report any suspicious behaviour to the police. Let the police decide whether any action is warranted.
    Find out who your local police liaison officers are and maintain contact with them. Meet on a regular basis to discuss local issues and concerns.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #15 - September 13, 2009, 09:44 PM

    I have many friends, who were born in the Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE. They were not only born there but they spent over quarter of a century there. But they have no right there. They can never become a citizen. When they go to a hospital, this does not matter who came first or who had an appointment. Arabs are seen first and non Arabs have to wait until all Arab patients have been seen. If there is ever a dispute, the non-Arab is always the culprit, no matter what. No one has no right and the Arabs have the absolute right over everything.

    Western Europe has been the most tolerant region in the world. Everyone has same rights. All races are equally treated by the law as well as by the society. But instead of appreciating, Muslims want to conquer this country. Anjum Choudhry, and others, openly say that they want Islamic flag on the 10 Downing Street and on the Parliment building. Every mosque is pushing for sharia law.

    Instead of discouraging Muslims, the Labour govenment has been eager to please Muslims. Tax payers money is being spent to fund radical Islamic school of thought.

    Now please, can someone tell me is that not a little bit unfair with the natives of this country? Don't they have a right to complain?


    Ditto.

    My uncle used to live in Saudi, and after working there for over 20 years he still doesn't qualify for citizenship. English laws are so accomodating, and I feel proud to be part of this society which is and always has been tolerant of all religions (even respectful). I think these greedy muslims who want to have their cake and eat it too should be shipped off back to the shit holes they come from.

    thanks.

    The last stand of frej
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #16 - September 14, 2009, 07:12 PM

    "There is no such thing as the Islamification of Britain". Hmm. Is that really so?

    As I have understood it Sharia law, especially family law, is nowadays practiced in parallel to British law if all involved parties agree to it? I would call that a step towards islamification. Quite a big step actually.

    I mean, previously a woman who was trying to get out of a bad marriage could turn to British law. Now, if she has accepted Sharia law, she is bound by it. This cannot be a welcome development to anybody here, especially the women? I can imagine that it would be extremely hard for a woman in a conservative family to refuse to accept Sharia law if requested to do so by her relatives.

    /Stefan
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #17 - September 14, 2009, 07:48 PM

    "There is no such thing as the Islamification of Britain". Hmm. Is that really so?

    As I have understood it Sharia law, especially family law, is nowadays practiced in parallel to British law if all involved parties agree to it? I would call that a step towards islamification. Quite a big step actually.

    I mean, previously a woman who was trying to get out of a bad marriage could turn to British law. Now, if she has accepted Sharia law, she is bound by it. This cannot be a welcome development to anybody here, especially the women? I can imagine that it would be extremely hard for a woman in a conservative family to refuse to accept Sharia law if requested to do so by her relatives.

    /Stefan


    I am against Shari'ah Courts in the UK but please keep it in perspective. They are tiny and voluntary and deal only with family law and cannot do anything that contradicts UK law.

    In reality 99% of what they do is see couples having problems. The families that go to them are usually traditional or very 'cultural' families (the vast majority of Muslims ignore these courts).

    If these courts were not here then these traditional/cultural families would deal with the situation on their own - and that would be far worse in most cases - in other words they wouldn't go to British courts in any case.

    imho it is a temporary phenomena - as Muslims become more educated and less willing to listen to the ignoramuses sitting on them will not go to them and they will die out.

    In any case they only effect a small part of the Muslim community and certainly do not affect the wider non-Muslim community.

    I hate the way there is so much paranoia about this topic.

    As it happens I know two of the judges on those courts - one is an ignorant arse-hole and one is actually a fairly reasonable person. (I taught his daughters).
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #18 - September 14, 2009, 08:32 PM

    I am not worried about the non-muslim population. I fully realise that this is a parallel system within the muslim community, and with a quite limited scope of authority. I don't know what those org's you are debating are up to. Probably no good. I am not siding with them. I am just saying that there is a line we should not pass when it comes to appeasing islamists, and that has now been passed in Britain.

    My main concern is that people who fled religiously inspired oppression do not again come under its yoke here in Europe. For example, those women who are in bad relationships must not loose the way out.

    I can't help but think that there may be a risk for that, if the Sharia court's judgments are not possible to appeal to the British system. For example, a Sharia court would not give the children to the mother in case of a divorce, would it? How would a woman go about rescuing her children from an unfit father if the marriage and divorce were ruled by Sharia?

    Religious advisory boards that consider a conflict based on Sharia is fine by me, but that's as far as I want to go.

    Edited: Allat just posted a verdict from a German court which illustrates my concerns.
  • Re: Demo Today in London
     Reply #19 - September 14, 2009, 09:14 PM

    My main concern is that people who fled religiously inspired oppression do not again come under its yoke here in Europe. For example, those women who are in bad relationships must not loose the way out.


    I have voiced the very same concerns - and of course I am totally against these courts - I just want ppl to keep it in perspective.

    I can't help but think that there may be a risk for that, if the Sharia court's judgments are not possible to appeal to the British system. For example, a Sharia court would not give the children to the mother in case of a divorce, would it? How would a woman go about rescuing her children from an unfit father if the marriage and divorce were ruled by Sharia?

    Religious advisory boards that consider a conflict based on Sharia is fine by me, but that's as far as I want to go.

    Edited: Allat just posted a verdict from a German court which illustrates my concerns.


    Haven't seen the example - and I don't doubt there will be totally unacceptable rulings - particularly as I know some of the fuckwits involved with these courts - but again, lets' keep some perspective here - most rulings are just about trying to save marriages - sort out complaints about a husband snoring or a wife buying too many shoes.
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