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 Topic: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!

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  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #30 - September 18, 2009, 10:11 AM

    Duh, in case of USA there are plenty of other factors like the fact that the Industrial Revolution in Europe gave the Americans a headstart, hear about the fast develmpment of Brazil?

    At least Latin American women don't require 4 male witnessse to prove rape, they're not honor killed, they don't condone domestic violence & get equal inheritance.

    Also, how are Protestants & other faiths growing? Because there's full freedom of religion, unlike in Muslim nations, people in Latin America can happily renounce Catholicism or even Xtianity.


    Do you even know the rates of domestic violence in Latin America?

    http://www.prb.org/Articles/2001/DomesticViolenceAnOngoingThreattoWomeninLatinAmericaandtheCaribbean.aspx

    These are just the ones REPORTED. Just because something isn't believed to be reported, doesn't mean it that it doesn't happen Rashna. Many women there and Latin American migrant women in the States are forced by their husbands and fathers NOT to say anything. Much like in Muslim nations.  Roll Eyes

    As for faith, I believe it was the girl who had an abortion in Latin America who was excommunicated and so were the people that helped her.  Roll Eyes That was just one case I could think of from the top of my head because it was recent. Yet pedophile priests don't get excommunicated, they simply get moved to another church.
  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #31 - September 18, 2009, 10:11 AM

    Duh, in case of USA there are plenty of other factors like the fact that the Industrial Revolution in Europe gave the Americans a headstart, hear about the fast develmpment of Brazil?

    At least Latin American women don't require 4 male witnessse to prove rape, they're not honor killed, they don't condone domestic violence & get equal inheritance.

    Also, how are Protestants & other faiths growing? Because there's full freedom of religion, unlike in Muslim nations, people in Latin America can happily renounce Catholicism or even Xtianity.

    How is your first sentence a coherent reply to what Spiral said. You seem to have mixed up several unrelated points there.

    Also, are you quite certain that there are no honour killings in Latin America? Do you know what, in practice, the procedures are in rape cases there? Are you sure domestic violence is never condoned?

    ETA: Oh and regarding abortions in Catholic countries, anti-abortion policies have been responsible for the deaths of quite a few women, ectopic pregnancies being a major cause of death.

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  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #32 - September 18, 2009, 10:18 AM



    Sure, and the Churches tell that husbands have a right to beat up wves like Mullahs do.

    Do you even know the rates of domestic violence in Latin America?

    These are just the ones REPORTED. Just because something isn't believed to be reported, doesn't mean it that it doesn't happen Rashna. Many women there and Latin American migrant women in the States are forced by their husbands and fathers NOT to say anything. Much like in Muslim nations.  Roll Eyes
     


    A majority of Latin American women in USA have kids out of wedlock SD, you can google up for stats. I'm sure millions of them have  been killed for this?


    As for faith, I believe it was the girl who had an abortion in Latin America who was excommunicated and so were the people that helped her.  Roll Eyes That was just one case I could think of from the top of my head because it was recent. Yet pedophile priests don't get excommunicated, they simply get moved to another church.


    Hahaha, I knew this would come up. Well abortion is legal in Brazil in case of rape & danger to the mother. The Catholic Church doesn't like it, well so it throws such people out. I don't agree but a Church or a mosque has as much right to chuck people out as people have to leave a religion.

    Has the Church murdered those people?

    Why doesn't Saudi or Iran simply chuck out women who don't wear hijab or Pakistan chuck out women who can't produce 4 witnesses for rape, rather than punishing them?

    Then those who didn't like such stuff would've left.

    Brazil has 7% folks claiming no religious affiliation, whats done to them?

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  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #33 - September 18, 2009, 10:21 AM

    How is your first sentence a coherent reply to what Spiral said. You seem to have mixed up several unrelated points there.

    Also, are you quite certain that there are no honour killings in Latin America? Do you know what, in practice, the procedures are in rape cases there? Are you sure domestic violence is never condoned?

    ETA: Oh and regarding abortions in Catholic countries, anti-abortion policies have been responsible for the deaths of quite a few women, ectopic pregnancies being a major cause of death.


    Catholic Church clearly allows abortion in case of ectopic pregnancies, please google this Os. As for general abortions, most Muslim nations disallow them as well.

    Honor killings: A majority of Latinas in USA have kids out of edlock then millions would've been honor killed.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #34 - September 18, 2009, 10:34 AM

    Catholic Church clearly allows abortion in case of ectopic pregnancies, please google this Os. As for general abortions, most Muslim nations disallow them as well.

    Honor killings: A majority of Latinas in USA have kids out of edlock then millions would've been honor killed.

    That may be true about the Catholic church as such but laws in Catholic countries, which are backed by the church and based on ideas taken from catholicism, have resulted in the deaths of pregnant women due to ectopic pregnancies. That's what I said. Also I would like to know why you said the Catholic church throws people out for performing abortions when the mother is in danger.

    Well abortion is legal in Brazil in case of rape & danger to the mother. The Catholic Church doesn't like it, well so it throws such people out.

    Kind of odd behaviour for a church which permits abortion to save the mother's life, wouldn't you think?

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  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #35 - September 18, 2009, 10:38 AM

    Have a read of this. Straight from the Vatican itself, and there's nothing about allowing abortion if the mother is in danger.

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    Abortion

    2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

        Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73

        My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

    2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

        You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

        God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

    2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

    2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

    "The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

    "The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81

    2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

    Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence."82

    2275 "One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival."83

    "It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material."84

    "Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity"85 which are unique and unrepeatable.


    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

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  • Re: Ahmadiyya in Britain, v. in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia & Muslim nations!
     Reply #36 - September 18, 2009, 10:40 AM

    Try this too:

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    'What about if the mother's life is in danger?'

    Choosing abortion in this case implies that the mother?s life is more important than that of the child. This contradicts the teaching of the Church, who states that we are all created equal. Also, there is no doctor who can predict with certainty that the mother will die? only God knows for sure. Having an abortion, however, ALWAYS guarantees the death of the child. Even though it is difficult, we must always trust in God's providence. The story of Abraham and Isaac provides a great example of trusting in God even when it doesn't make sense (Gn 22:1-24).

    Which is basically saying "And Allah knows best". Wink
    http://thecatholictruthblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/abortion-what-does-catholic-church.html


    Oh and I'm sorry but regarding this:

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    Honor killings: A majority of Latinas in USA have kids out of edlock then millions would've been honor killed.

    you are rather missing the point. Sure, different culture to the middle east. Sure, honour killings might not be done because of having sex outside of marriage. However a man can still kill his partner, even is she is not legally married to him, if he thinks she has compromised his or her honour. If this results in him getting a lighter sentence than in the case of any other murder then yes, you can say that at least to some extent honour killing is condoned. This used to be very common in western legal systems until quite recently. Wanna bet it doesn't still happen in parts of Latin America?

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