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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #30 - October 09, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Infidel on October 09, 2009, 03:02 PM


    As regarding the actual meaning of Kawkab, in contemporary Arabic(MSA) it refers to planets and NOT stars. Not sure about the meaning in Classical Arabic and if it was any different.


    My native tongue is derived from an old Arabic dialect.  Stars are referred to as kwiekeb...  Very similar to kawakib.
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #31 - October 09, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: hupla on October 09, 2009, 06:01 PM
    It's Ibn Warraq the guy who wrote "Why I am not a Muslim" rather than Ibn Waraka  - I'm afraid I no longer have a copy of the book, but he does reference the originator of the theory.  It's a knowledge of the planets rather than the stars as such though - the 7 planets were very well known in the ancient world (Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome - probably other places too).

    (The name Ibn Warraq was apparently historically used as a pseudonym in Islamic countries when one needed to hide one's identity when writing "inflammatory" materials.  I believe it means "son of a papermaker"- hence why it appears often)


    Sorry I was referring to Waraka Ibn Nofal the cousin of Khadija (Mo's wife).


    Quote from: ras111 on October 09, 2009, 07:49 PM
    My native tongue is derived from Arabic.  Stars are referred to as kwiekeb...  Very similar to kawakib.


    What language is that?
    ...
  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #32 - October 09, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Maltese...
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #33 - October 25, 2009, 06:06 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on October 08, 2009, 04:10 PM
    From Sura Yusif (verse 4) the Quran mentions that there are 11 planets.

    Science say that they are only 9. What if scientists discover 2 more planets? Wouldn't this be something Muslim Creationists would be barging about?


    The sun itself is a star, and the planets are not stars..would still be wrong to me... Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #34 - October 25, 2009, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on October 09, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Maltese...


    Interesting. I thought the Christian faith is the only religion there.
    ...
  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #35 - October 26, 2009, 05:59 AM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta#Middle_Ages
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #36 - December 04, 2009, 05:17 PM
    I once heard that the scientfic community removed Pluto as a planet and made it a dwarf planet to disprove this Quranic verse and thus the Quran.

    But I don't understand how you can force that intrepretation on this verse? There were 9 planets, there are now 8. One sun, one moon (earth's). In the verse it clearly says 11 kawakib (I also assume this is planet, arabic speaking, so was the person I heard it from) and the sun AND the moon. that equals 13? So you would have to have 9 planets PLUS the sun and the moon to make 11? But the verse clearly says 11 planets and the sun and the moon. Besides the sun and the moon are not planets.

    So.. in other words. WTF? This is not mantak.

    But if we do this, then what about the Sun setting in a murky pond? Why isn't the scientific community trying to disprove that verse?

    Damn zionists!!!!


     Cheesy

    PS
    M.A.S. Abdel Haleem also translates it as 11 stars. Man I really need to improve my arabic, both modern and classical :( I should have paid more attention in arabic class, but it was so fucking boring haha
  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #37 - December 04, 2009, 05:29 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 04, 2009, 05:17 PM
    I once heard that the scientfic community removed Pluto as a planet and made it a dwarf planet to disprove this Quranic verse and thus the Quran.

    When will these idiots learn that the scientific community couldnt give a damn nor waste any of their efforts proving religion wrong.  They already know its bull, and they've got more pressing matters to attend too over & above trying to disprove whether some muppet's invisible friend exists in the sky!
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #38 - December 04, 2009, 05:45 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 04, 2009, 05:29 PM
    When will these idiots learn that the scientific community couldnt give a damn nor waste any of their efforts proving religion wrong.  They already know its bull, and they've got more pressing matters to attend too over & above trying to disprove whether some muppet's invisible friend exists in the sky!


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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #39 - December 05, 2009, 03:25 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 04, 2009, 05:17 PM
    I once heard that the scientfic community removed Pluto as a planet and made it a dwarf planet to disprove this Quranic verse and thus the Quran.


    That's complete bull. I hate it when Muslims go into this "everyone is against us coz we're right and want us to fail blah blah". I heard it all my life from my parents and started believing it myself.

    Pluto isn't the only dwarf planet that's been discovered.
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    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #40 - December 05, 2009, 04:32 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on October 08, 2009, 09:36 PM
    I am just wondering why I have not heard this as a miracle from the quran. Because it seems very close to me to what we know about the number of the planets. In the Muslim belifes (not mine) all profits dreams are meant to be real. Yusif had a dream that all the 11 planets are bowing beofre him.

    I just got surprised that there are 9 planets (or eight if you take off Pluto) but if you say 9 counting Pluto, plus the Sun, plus the moon, then there are 11.

    No one by the way have mentioned this to me. I mean I was not in a debate with a muslim or anything. I am actually surprised that no one mentioned this before. i looked at Youtube for scientific Miracles of the Quran but did not find anything about this Yusif verse.


    The sun is not a planet, the sun is a star!
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #41 - December 05, 2009, 04:37 PM
    The Moon isn't a planet either, its a satellite.  To get the figure of 11 you need to translate whatever Arabic word is being used as planet in that verse as "thing in the sky".  And then, of course, you still don't end up with 11 because there are comets and meteorites and other dwarf planets in the solar system.   Not to mention the Asteroid Belt.
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #42 - December 05, 2009, 04:49 PM
    Also, let's assume for the sake of argument that the Qu'ran was right and there are 11 planets, then why dismiss all the other contradictions in the Qu'ran such as the geocentric earth? For me even a single error in the Qu'ran discredits it, a book which is inspried by god should not carry any errors or internal contradictions, and moreover what the Qu'ran was telling is was not something radical or unique, it was a rip-off of Judaism, which was a rip-off of Akhenaten of Amarna's new found monotheistic faith (Cult of Aten) in ancient Egypt, of whom Moses (surprise, surprise!) was a high priest of
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #43 - December 05, 2009, 04:56 PM
    Tut do you have any sources on that? Some reliable, scholarly ones? Very interested in the subject, I've heard it mentioned before but it would be nice with some in depth research.
  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #44 - December 05, 2009, 04:56 PM
    Moreover, Ahmed Osman a historian and scholar says; Moses and Akhenaten were the same person, you can read his works:

    http://www.dwij.org/forum/amarna/10_moses_akhenaten.htm
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #45 - December 05, 2009, 04:58 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on December 05, 2009, 04:56 PM
    Tut do you have any sources on that? Some reliable, scholarly ones? Very interested in the subject, I've heard it mentioned before but it would be nice with some in depth research.


    Yes Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, in his book Moses and Monotheism.
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #46 - December 05, 2009, 05:03 PM
    Cheetahs right - a planet orbits a star, whereas a satellite orbits a non-stellar (none star-like) body
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #47 - December 05, 2009, 05:09 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 05, 2009, 04:58 PM
    Yes Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, in his book Moses and Monotheism.


    You'd want a better source than that.  Freud has no claim to be an authority on ancient history.
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #48 - December 05, 2009, 05:11 PM
    Is it not mentioned in the OT that Moses and Nefertiti had a relationship?
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #49 - December 05, 2009, 05:13 PM
    Where is that in the OT, and what does it have to do with Moses being a priest in pre-Judaic religion?
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #50 - December 05, 2009, 05:25 PM
    Here is another link: http://www.domainofman.com/ankhemmaat/moses.html

    Due to the contentious nature of the subject not many are willing to accept it, just like Muslims are not willing to accept that Dul-Qurani who the Qu'ran calls a great prophet is non-other then a non-Muslim Greek called Alexander the Great
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #51 - December 05, 2009, 05:27 PM
    Quote
    Moses was an Egyptian high-priest, and together with his brother Aaron an initiate into most sacred Egyptian mysteries. Even though the influence on Hebrews is traced from many sources, Sumerian, Phoenician, etc, the main inspiration for the constitution comes from Moses' deep knowledge of Egyptian mysteries. But we have to understand that Hebrews freed themselves from Egyptian over-rule, therefore a reference to the source of gnosis became (deliberately?) obscured in time.


    Cite: http://www.aiwaz.net/egyptian-kabbalah/a36
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #52 - December 05, 2009, 05:33 PM
    Ahmed Osman's works are rejected by mainstream Egyptologists, not because of the "contentious nature of the subject", but because of lack of/flawed evidence.  Fail.
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #53 - December 05, 2009, 05:35 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 05, 2009, 05:27 PM
    Cite: http://www.aiwaz.net/egyptian-kabbalah/a36


    Yeah, just as I thought.  New age kooks, self taught amateurs, and eccentrics with no evidence for their imaginative theories. 
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  • Re: Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #54 - December 05, 2009, 08:00 PM
    ok cheetah fair enough but please provide some credible sources then? i'll read all that i can find on the subject Smiley
  • Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #55 - April 22, 2013, 12:28 AM
    The Sun,The Moon,and 11 stars.It clear talks about our solar system. Yusuf dreamt that all of them bowed to him.Scientist found 8 confirmed big planets so far.Maybe in 100 years or so scientist will finally find the 11th planet.

    You cannot simply deny the statement just because scientist haven't found other planets yet.It like you're saying I don't have a car just because you haven't seen it yet.
  • Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #56 - April 22, 2013, 12:32 AM
    You do realise the term 'planet' is actually defined by human scientists...
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

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  • Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #57 - April 22, 2013, 12:35 AM
    Quote from: markosLight on April 22, 2013, 12:28 AM
    The Sun,The Moon,and 11 stars.It clear talks about our solar system. Yusuf dreamt that all of them bowed to him.Scientist found 8 confirmed big planets so far.Maybe in 100 years or so scientist will finally find the 11th planet.

    You cannot simply deny the statement just because scientist haven't found other planets yet.It like you're saying I don't have a car just because you haven't seen it yet.



    Desperation smells like Muslims scrambling through the Quran for 'science'
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  • Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #58 - April 22, 2013, 12:39 AM
    Welcome to the forum MarkosLight. 

    What prompted you to move from Canada to Malaysia?
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  • Quran mentions that the Planets are 11
     Reply #59 - April 22, 2013, 12:48 AM
    Quote from: markosLight on April 22, 2013, 12:28 AM
    The Sun,The Moon,and 11 stars.It clear talks about our solar system. Yusuf dreamt that all of them bowed to him.Scientist found 8 confirmed big planets so far.Maybe in 100 years or so scientist will finally find the 11th planet.

    You cannot simply deny the statement just because scientist haven't found other planets yet.It like you're saying I don't have a car just because you haven't seen it yet.


     

    WTF are you on about.  There are 8 planets in our solar system not 11.  

    If you are talking about the galaxy there are billions of planets.  

    And if the Quran says stars what makes you interpret them as "planets"

    There are alot more than 11 stars.  Even a middle schooler knows that much. And no.. Scientists will not discover another planet in our solar system because the hubble telecope and other equipment used by NASA have already shown us enough of the solar system to conclude that there are no more planets.  

    By the way the sun is also a star so the Quran got that wrong

    At least do some reading before you try to get into a debate.

    Read some Carl Sagan, Stepen Hawking and the astronomy vids on Khan Academy to get a start. Then come back.
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