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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #30 - October 19, 2009, 11:49 AM

    Ah. No, I was referring to something else.  grin12

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #31 - October 19, 2009, 12:33 PM

    I am razzing you. I had seen her signature Smiley
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #32 - October 19, 2009, 08:21 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQSJae6RuCk

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #33 - October 19, 2009, 10:43 PM

    The guy in the video above tells it like it is. 10/10 for him.

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #34 - October 20, 2009, 12:29 AM

     Cheesy That's awesome. I'm going to favourite that one for sure.  parrot

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #35 - October 20, 2009, 03:03 PM

    For immediate release.

    There has been recent talk in the UK counter-jihad movement about the virtues of diverting resources from a long standing demonstration in Leeds to respond to an Islamist pro-sharia demonstration in London. It is unclear whether the Islamist demonstration has been something that has been planned long in advance or whether it is a reaction to the successes achieved by EDL in recent months. The following is the reason why we are continuing with the demonstration in Leeds:

    1) The pro-sharia demonstration is a provocation, which if it was not perpetrated by Muslims would be regarded by the left wing press to be a hateful act, in this instance against mainstream society. EDL is keen to avoid confrontation with Islamic groups and in the interests of public order has decided not to organise a counter demonstration. EDL should be presenting the London event in these terms and demonstrating its own restraint by not taking the bait. It also allows EDL to emphasise its central role as a source of information for the public. EDL has been portrayed as a group that wants confrontation. Not going to London allows it to show that it does not want confrontation. However, EDL does need to show that calls for Sharia Law personify an attitude of hatred towards mainstream British society. EDL can demonstrate this by statements in Leeds just as easy as it can from London, and can do so from a position of higher moral ground.

    2) EDL is engaged in a public education campaign designed to inform people in all parts of the country about the dangers of Islamic extremism and Sharia Law. This information sharing exercise will ultimately show how the political and media establishment have engaged in a policy of appeasement in the face of threats of Islamic violence. There are benefits from making the people of Leeds aware of the issues. Without the demonstration those issues would not be available in the public domain.

    3) The Leeds event has been planned long in advance so EDL should not be distracted from its mission by events organised by its opponents, with the intention to divide and distract it from its primary objectives. EDL is learning from experience in organising demonstrations and the Leeds event will allow that cumulative experience put to good use. This will in turn assist future demonstrations and the long term evolution of EDL into a mainstream political pressure group. EDL will maintain its focus and pursue its own agenda with persistence and determination.

    4) If EDL resources are diverted to London then it demonstrates to the Islamists that EDL can be made to change its policy in response to their initiatives. If resources are not focused then they are not being put to most effective use. Ultimately the Islamists can cancel their London demonstration at their own whim. If confusion has been sown in EDL ranks then it would mean that any event in Leeds would be poorly attended and that the initiative would therefore have been lost. This would impact negatively on future EDL demonstrations and show weakeness. EDL needs to demonstrate that it will not be deflected from its plans.

    5) Leeds is an opportunity for EDL to broaden its appeal. It may have been started at the initiative of fearless football fans who are concerned about the political direction that their country is taken. Their action and courage in the face of violent opposition will have emboldened others to get involved with the cause. EDL should be a group that comprises as many different components of our society as possible. It needs to move to the next stage of involvement. EDL needs to show that it is a family organisation with men, women, and people of different age groups, and indeed different ethnicities, involved in its ranks. Even though the movement has just begun, it has already had a big impact - but it must develop and diversify if our goals are to be realised.

    6) EDL does however need to record the events in London for posterity. For this reason it would be useful if a small number of activists could record what goes on at that event via photographs, videos, and eye witness accounts. In many regards that event illustrates why EDL exists and why others should be concerned about the rise of the Sharia state in Britain. The outrageous displays outside the Danish embassy following the cartoon crisis made many people aware of the dangerous rise of sharia in the West. This explains the concerns that many of us have about the free reign within the UK, of groups supporting Islamic Fundamentalism and the rejection of our four freedoms.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #36 - October 20, 2009, 03:11 PM

    I posted the above press release from EDL because it seems that some constantly attack us and link us with right wing and racist groups.
    It seems to me we have far more incommon with you than with the extreme groups that some here want to lump us in with.
    We wish to demonstrate peacefully.
    arthur
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #37 - October 20, 2009, 04:43 PM

    A change of name might help.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #38 - October 20, 2009, 06:37 PM

    Hi Jack, I would ask why?

    My own feeling is this, our flags have been stolen by the far right as has anyone calling themselves English, as far as I'm concerned those born in this land have a right to call themselves English and be proud of that, gone are the days when English meant anglo saxon and white.

    This country has been disunited for to long, it's time we took our name and flags back and united as one group.
    arthur.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #39 - October 20, 2009, 06:50 PM

    Our flag hasn't been stolen by anyone, it's just been heavily tarnished and doesn't mean the same thing to most people anymore. The name, English Defence League, conjurs up the images you say you abhor, you expect a 40 hole, DM on the flyers...well, anyway,  I'd wanna change it. How about dispensing with a name altogether and instead, have a members 'mime', a particular body movement that represents peace and love racial harmony in our happy little country? It would look great every-time a newscaster said the name Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #40 - October 20, 2009, 07:30 PM

    Jack, you jest. What can I say.
    arthur
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #41 - October 20, 2009, 08:38 PM

    sorry to butt in... but do tell me... How powerful is this Choundry?...  He seems more like a bag of wind and farts who attracts the yobs of the Muslim society in the UK....

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #42 - October 20, 2009, 08:46 PM

    Thats what I find a lot of extreme muslim groups attract yobs, rather than any serious people who are into Islam, must drive Choudrey round the bend

    In fact I joined a group on facebook accidentally thinking it was an ex-muslim one. 

    When I had a look at the members it was full of wide boys (pictures of young men posing next to brand new sporty cars in showrooms- that type of thing) - I remember thinking it looked odd and perhaps I had joined a muslim group as they didnt look the ex-muslim type (whatever that is) - I later found out (thanks to Omar Khayyam pointing it out) that it was a muslim group


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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #43 - October 20, 2009, 09:02 PM

    sorry to butt in... but do tell me... How powerful is this Choundry?...  He seems more like a bag of wind and farts who attracts the yobs of the Muslim society in the UK....


    Many of his followers were dancing in discos and drinking vodka a while back. They are shallow goons - no one with more than a few brain cells can stay with them for long.

    I personally hardly know any Muslim that doesn't think they are shit-heads.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #44 - October 20, 2009, 11:37 PM

    [DH] That's just what they say they think. Their hidden agenda is entirely different. [/DH]  cool2

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #45 - October 21, 2009, 06:36 AM

    Many of his followers were dancing in discos and drinking vodka a while back. They are shallow goons - no one with more than a few brain cells can stay with them for long.

    I personally hardly know any Muslim that doesn't think they are shit-heads.


    I wouldn't be surprised; it reminds me of what my old man said about Muslims from the middle east who will come over to the west, hump everything not bolted down, drinking more alcohol than Yeltsin and Dean Martin combined, ingest, snort and inject every drug you could name - then come back to their own country with self righteous chip on their shoulder for the 'corrupt and decadent west'.

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #46 - October 21, 2009, 05:03 PM

    I wouldn't be surprised; it reminds me of what my old man said about Muslims from the middle east who will come over to the west, hump everything not bolted down, drinking more alcohol than Yeltsin and Dean Martin combined, ingest, snort and inject every drug you could name - then come back to their own country with self righteous chip on their shoulder for the 'corrupt and decadent west'.

     Cheesy

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #47 - October 22, 2009, 01:26 AM

    The Corrupt and Decadent West: lovin' every minute.  dance

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #48 - October 22, 2009, 02:51 AM

    The Corrupt and Decadent West: lovin' every minute.  dance


    Reminds me of my ex from Malaysia Wink

    Doing things with me in the bedroom that would result in prison sentences in Malaysia Wink

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #49 - October 22, 2009, 11:50 AM

    I wouldn't be surprised; it reminds me of what my old man said about Muslims from the middle east who will come over to the west, hump everything not bolted down, drinking more alcohol than Yeltsin and Dean Martin combined, ingest, snort and inject every drug you could name - then come back to their own country with self righteous chip on their shoulder for the 'corrupt and decadent west'.


    That hedonism / purity of Islam complex kind of afflicts more than a few British Muslims too.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #50 - October 22, 2009, 01:49 PM

    Many of his followers were dancing in discos and drinking vodka a while back. They are shallow goons - no one with more than a few brain cells can stay with them for long.

    I personally hardly know any Muslim that doesn't think they are shit-heads.


    They may think Choundary and co are shit heads but tell me how many do you know that personally approve of what he says?

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #51 - October 22, 2009, 01:58 PM

    They may think Choundary and co are shit heads but tell me how many do you know that personally approve of what he says?


    Or what degree do they believe - do they believe in Shariah for the UK?

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #52 - October 22, 2009, 04:00 PM

    Or what degree do they believe - do they believe in Shariah for the UK?


    Perhaps not the full extent of Choundray's beliefs, Kawai..but a good number of them... 

    I am asking because I have seen certain situations where total and utter nutters have said things that struck a chord with normal everyday audiences as regards certain issues..  Even though many people called them nutters and refused to have anything to do with them.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #53 - October 22, 2009, 05:16 PM

    They may think Choundary and co are shit heads but tell me how many do you know that personally approve of what he says?


    None that I know of, but I understand what you're getting at.

    Few Muslims are willing to publicly oppose things like calls for Shari'ah for fear of bringing their own faith into question.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #54 - October 22, 2009, 06:41 PM

    An anti-Muhajiroon protest has been planned to.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #55 - October 22, 2009, 06:46 PM

    By who? Details?

    I'm planning on going to show my opposition and I would rather not stand alone.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #56 - October 23, 2009, 06:41 AM

    None that I know of, but I understand what you're getting at.

    Few Muslims are willing to publicly oppose things like calls for Shari'ah for fear of bringing their own faith into question.


    Would give them more confidence if the government were vocal in opposition to sharia law as an institution?

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #57 - October 23, 2009, 07:14 AM

    Would give them more confidence if the government were vocal in opposition to sharia law as an institution?


    Yes, I believe it would.
  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #58 - October 23, 2009, 03:05 PM

    None that I know of, but I understand what you're getting at.

    Few Muslims are willing to publicly oppose things like calls for Shari'ah for fear of bringing their own faith into question.


    That gets to the heart of the matter. It is a paralysis, because the infallibility and perfection should never be called into question. And this relates more widely not just as a reaction to an extremist, but to other aspects of Islam too. There is a fear that the edifice will crumble.


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  • Re: Anjem's Gang Are Stirring it Again
     Reply #59 - October 23, 2009, 04:12 PM

    That gets to the heart of the matter. It is a paralysis, because the infallibility and perfection should never be called into question. And this relates more widely not just as a reaction to an extremist, but to other aspects of Islam too. There is a fear that the edifice will crumble.


    They probably are right - if every Muslim knew every requirement they had to keep - most would give it up immediately. It is only through ignorance that they keep their sanity.

    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
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