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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #90 - October 31, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 31, 2009, 11:21 AM
    Awesome. Got another one for you.

    Since in a minority of cases women in heterosexual relationships get the crap beaten out of them by their male partners, it follows that women should be banned from having heterosexual relationships.

    Same logic. Are you in favour? Yes or no?



     Cheesy

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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #91 - October 31, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 31, 2009, 11:21 AM
    Awesome. Got another one for you.

    Since in a minority of cases women in heterosexual relationships get the crap beaten out of them by their male partners, it follows that women should be banned from having heterosexual relationships.

    Same logic. Are you in favour? Yes or no?


    Explain step by step why such a ridiculous comparison is "the same logic".

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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #92 - October 31, 2009, 12:15 PM
    The logic of the comparison is self-evident to anybody who reads your post...


    Quote from: DH on October 31, 2009, 11:04 AM
    My argument is that even if it happens in a minority of cases that in itself is sufficient to support such bans.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #93 - October 31, 2009, 02:21 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 31, 2009, 10:17 AM
    "Providing evidence" that a particular female is being pressurized or intimidated into wearing Islamic dress against their will is of course nigh on impossible because of the individual's fear of "speaking out".


    I have several friends who wear the full hijab and opurdah and they choose too...One of them comes from a family who were against her wearing it coz they were modern and felt she would not find anyone suitable to marry. Not all women are pressurised to wear it, many make the choice because they believe it frees them, although I don't understand how, the fact remains that many women choose to wear the hijab and purdah. I agree there are some women who are forced into it, but the community I'm from (which is largely muslim) I haven't met one who has complained about wearing it.
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #94 - October 31, 2009, 02:29 PM
    "felt she would not find anyone suitable to marry"

    Why did she feel such pressure to get married? Why do some women treat marriage as if it were the pinnacle of their life and if they don't get it by the age of 30, they're a dried up fruit cake?
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #95 - October 31, 2009, 02:37 PM
    Quote from: Humra on October 31, 2009, 02:21 PM
    I haven't met one who has complained about wearing it.

    Me too.  I have never met anyone who was forced to wear it, in fact if you give them a chance, they will tell you how proud they are to wear it.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #96 - October 31, 2009, 02:46 PM
    Quote from: kaiwai on October 31, 2009, 02:29 PM
    "felt she would not find anyone suitable to marry"

    Why did she feel such pressure to get married? Why do some women treat marriage as if it were the pinnacle of their life and if they don't get it by the age of 30, they're a dried up fruit cake?


    Yeh, some women are like that...I've enevr understood it myself..even though all my life I was told i was gunna get married to one of the idiots in Pakistan and for most of my life I accepted it, but then when you look around and see every single married person is miserable and loney anyway you don't really see the point anymore. I knew a girl who wanted to marry because she couldn't wait to have sex....Yes...that was the only thing on her mind then...Poor sods..

    Quote from: IsLame on October 31, 2009, 02:37 PM
    Me too.  I have never met anyone who was forced to wear it, in fact if you give them a chance, they will tell you how proud they are to wear it.


    Exactly.  yes
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #97 - October 31, 2009, 05:00 PM
    Quote from: Humra on October 31, 2009, 02:46 PM
    Yeh, some women are like that...I've enevr understood it myself..even though all my life I was told i was gunna get married to one of the idiots in Pakistan


    How du you intend to get out of that ?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #98 - October 31, 2009, 05:13 PM
    Quote from: DH on October 31, 2009, 11:17 AM
    Which could get her killed.


    So then you set up robust protection, relocation, and educational/job training programs* for women who feel too intimidated to refuse wearing the burkha/niqab, and ensure these women get custody of the kids. See, DH, that's the non-authoritarian solution. That's how people who actually want to defend a liberal society think, not how those who claim to be defending liberal society through illiberal and authoritarian methods.

    *In addition to that, if this ever became a serious issue in the US, I'd favor free firearms training classes too and an expedited process for such women to obtain concealed carry permits in states which have lengthier and more restrictive procedures for obtaining them. Although I'm against the state imposing blanket bans and other authoritarian measures, I'm all for a woman blowing the fuckin head off of any man who physically intimidates/oppresses/threatens her.
    fuck you
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #99 - October 31, 2009, 05:58 PM
    Quote from: Paloma on October 31, 2009, 05:00 PM
    How du you intend to get out of that ?


    I already have I think. I'm away from home at Uni and when the subject of marraige comes up I just say no way. My dad did get a lil freaky once when I was 14/15 and told me I wasn't allowed to go to college but my mum helped me out a lot. I suppose it was because her dad did something similar to her and she regretted not have the education she deserved. When they ask now I just say no, and they get a lil worried that I maybe a lesbian, which doesn't really bother me  001_tongue

    Another thing is I'm not afraid to say no anymore, I used to be and did everything my parents told me. I'm nowhere near like that now, and when my friends, who are in their 20s, talk about how they have to listen to their parents I find it a little annoying that they don't even try to get out of the oppressive situation. They just say when I get married it'll all work out, but when they do I'm sure it'll just be the same situation all over again.
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
    'Looks like he rushed it." ~ Bill Hicks
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #100 - October 31, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Me too - I dont understand why some Muslims just dont say 'No'.  It really is that easy - its the aftershock that is the problem, but that needs to be weighed up against the alternative of marrying someone they dont want.
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #101 - November 01, 2009, 12:20 AM
    Quote from: Humra on October 31, 2009, 02:46 PM
    Yeh, some women are like that...I've enevr understood it myself..even though all my life I was told i was gunna get married to one of the idiots in Pakistan and for most of my life I accepted it, but then when you look around and see every single married person is miserable and loney anyway you don't really see the point anymore. I knew a girl who wanted to marry because she couldn't wait to have sex....Yes...that was the only thing on her mind then...Poor sods..


    When I was a teenager I became the village bicycle - got it out of my system so that now I am fussy about who I want as a boyfriend/partner. I wonder some times wonder whether people should be encouraged to have pre-marital sex just so that they can get that horniness out of the system so they don't make decisions based on simply wanting someone to bonk.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #102 - November 01, 2009, 04:24 PM
    Quote from: Humra on October 31, 2009, 02:21 PM
    I have several friends who wear the full hijab and opurdah and they choose too...One of them comes from a family who were against her wearing it coz they were modern and felt she would not find anyone suitable to marry. Not all women are pressurised to wear it, many make the choice because they believe it frees them, although I don't understand how, the fact remains that many women choose to wear the hijab and purdah. I agree there are some women who are forced into it, but the community I'm from (which is largely muslim) I haven't met one who has complained about wearing it.

    There exists a personality type of people who value self-sacrifice. Unless they are sacrificing and crushing themselves in the pursuit of something, they do not feel they are leading a satisfying life. Shame on religions for catering crap to such wonderful and self-effacing people.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #103 - November 01, 2009, 05:47 PM
    No, shame on you for thinking you have the right to assume what goes on in people's heads.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #104 - November 01, 2009, 09:24 PM
    Shame on you jack for scraping barrel bottoms again. and again.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #105 - November 01, 2009, 11:51 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on November 01, 2009, 05:47 PM
    No, shame on you for thinking you have the right to assume what goes on in people's heads.


    why? He's right.  Many turn to religion and political ideologies and causes for those reasons
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #106 - November 02, 2009, 07:30 AM
    Yes, but his implication was that this was the case for Humra's friends, a big assumption. But, what's new?
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #107 - November 02, 2009, 08:58 AM
    Quote from: Baal on November 01, 2009, 04:24 PM
    There exists a personality type of people who value self-sacrifice. Unless they are sacrificing and crushing themselves in the pursuit of something, they do not feel they are leading a satisfying life. Shame on religions for catering crap to such wonderful and self-effacing people.



    I know these women, trust me, they're more talkative than I am, and if something was pissing them off even the slightist they would say something. These girls are not the type to suffer silently or whatever...

    Many people expect them to be shy and modest, but their the opposite, they stick up for themselves, even got into fights in high school! They don't see if as self sacrifice though. I remeber one of my friends told me that a woman is like a pearl and she should be covered so she is protected, and she said it with a lot of pride. I don't believe in that, but she does and that's all that mattered.

    Quote from: IsLame on October 31, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Me too - I dont understand why some Muslims just dont say 'No'.  It really is that easy - its the aftershock that is the problem, but that needs to be weighed up against the alternative of marrying someone they dont want.


    Same here! I have talked to many of these types of girls, one in particular, but she seems to delude herself that if she keeps them happy, she'll be happy....Right now neither is happy..still!
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
    'Looks like he rushed it." ~ Bill Hicks
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her bu
     Reply #108 - November 02, 2009, 08:59 AM
    Quote from: kaiwai on November 01, 2009, 12:20 AM
    When I was a teenager I became the village bicycle - got it out of my system so that now I am fussy about who I want as a boyfriend/partner. I wonder some times wonder whether people should be encouraged to have pre-marital sex just so that they can get that horniness out of the system so they don't make decisions based on simply wanting someone to bonk.


    That's a good idea, I think I'll start right now  Smiley
    "Ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?
    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
    'Looks like he rushed it." ~ Bill Hicks
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #109 - November 02, 2009, 09:27 AM
    Need any help starting?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #110 - November 02, 2009, 10:44 AM


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224131/Cambridge-University-allows-Muslim-students-wear-burkhas-mortar-boards-graduation.html



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    Cambridge University allows Muslim students to wear burkas under their mortar boards at graduationBy Daily Mail Reporter
    Last updated at 7:52 PM on 30th October 2009
    Comments (71) Add to My Stories  Respect for the burka: Cambridge has clarified that clothing linked to religious observance is allowed at graduation

    Cambridge University will allow female Muslim students to wear burkas at graduation ceremonies, it emerged yesterday.
    By tradition, students are required to wear dark suits and white shirts under their graduation gowns.
    Cambridge has clamped down on breaches of the rules after officials complained students were increasingly wearing casual clothes to ceremonies.
    They warned the code 'is strictly enforced at ceremonies, and if you do not observe it, you may not be permitted to graduate on a particular occasion'.
    Yesterday it clarified that clothing linked to religious observance, such as burkas, would still be allowed.
    Scottish students who want to wear kilts instead of the regulation dark suits and white bow-ties have already challenged the rules.
    After an outcry, the university said the wearing of kilts, saris and kimonos would be allowed at the discretion of individual colleges.
    Yesterday, it said burkas could also be worn under mortar boards to graduation ceremonies, as well as during tutorials and lectures.

    Membership of Cambridge's Islamic Society suggests it has around 600 Muslim students.

    A university spokesman said: 'Religious dress and cultural observations are allowed at graduation.
    'If a student has a religious or cultural obligation to wear something then we absolutely respect that.'

    The news follows a row last week after Burnley College in Lancashire asked a student to remove her burka as she enrolled for a course.
    Shawana Bilqes, 18, wanted to wear the garment, which leaves only her eyes and hands visible, during lessons.
    But principal John Smith said 'unimpeded' face-to-face contact between teachers and students was vital. He pointed out that students and staff must wear photo ID for security.

    Justice Secretary Jack Straw exposed tensions over the burka in 2006 after he suggested Muslim women should abandon it because it was a 'visible statement of separation and difference'.
    In France, it has been banned in state schools since 2004



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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #111 - November 07, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Humra on October 31, 2009, 02:21 PM
    I have several friends who wear the full hijab and opurdah and they choose too...One of them comes from a family who were against her wearing it coz they were modern and felt she would not find anyone suitable to marry.


    Which just goes to show where inculcation with the slightest hint of a "Muslim" identity can lead.

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    Not all women are pressurised to wear it,


    And, to repeat, I see no reason to regard any such women as "moderates" in any sensible usage of the word.

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    many make the choice because they believe it frees them, although I don't understand how,


    It is because they have been fed this garbage by Muslim men.


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    the fact remains that many women choose to wear the hijab and purdah.


    And are thereby making a plain statement of allegiance to the sharia lock, stock and barrel
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #112 - November 07, 2009, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 31, 2009, 02:37 PM
    Me too.  I have never met anyone who was forced to wear it, in fact if you give them a chance, they will tell you how proud they are to wear it.


    Fine most hijabis are proud to proclaim to the world through their dress "I endorse the contents of the Koran without exception and all the vilification and incitements to sharia enforcement, violence against and oppression of non-Muslims contained therein". They cannot therefore be regarded as allies against so-called "political Islam" then can they?
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #113 - November 07, 2009, 01:54 PM
    I keep getting this fantasy that one day, they will look at their graduation picture and regret being such an idiot and sacrificing the best years of their life to some desert demon or another. As for the muslim grads, they will also regret the extra physical punishments they took upon themselves.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #114 - November 07, 2009, 05:06 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 07, 2009, 12:20 PM
    And, to repeat, I see no reason to regard any such women as "moderates" in any sensible usage of the word.


    Who said they were moderates?

    Quote from: DH on November 07, 2009, 12:28 PM
    Fine most hijabis are proud to proclaim to the world through their dress "I endorse the contents of the Koran without exception and all the vilification and incitements to sharia enforcement, violence against and oppression of non-Muslims contained therein". They cannot therefore be regarded as allies against so-called "political Islam" then can they?


    Did anyone here claim otherwise?

    Beat that fuckin strawman, DH! Beat it! Kick its fuckin ass! You show that strawman who's boss.
    fuck you
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #115 - November 07, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 07, 2009, 12:28 PM
    Fine most hijabis are proud to proclaim to the world through their dress "I endorse the contents of the Koran without exception and all the vilification and incitements to sharia enforcement, violence against and oppression of non-Muslims contained therein". They cannot therefore be regarded as allies against so-called "political Islam" then can they?

    Not really
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #116 - November 09, 2009, 02:58 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Who said they were moderates?



    Let's get this straight Q-man: You agree with my contention that no woman who CHOOSES to wear Islamic dress can seriously be regarded as a "moderate Muslim" and it is perfectly reasonable to assume that they sign up to the shariaist agenda lock stock and barrel? What about Cheetah and Osmanthus? Anybody else?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #117 - November 09, 2009, 08:59 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 09, 2009, 02:58 PM

    Let's get this straight Q-man: You agree with my contention that no woman who CHOOSES to wear Islamic dress can seriously be regarded as a "moderate Muslim"


    Yes.

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    and it is perfectly reasonable to assume that they sign up to the shariaist agenda lock stock and barrel?


    That is a reasonable assumption, yes. But you are still a dick.
    fuck you
  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #118 - November 09, 2009, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on November 09, 2009, 08:59 PM
    But you are still a dick.

     Cheesy

    Now come to think of it DH=DickHead   Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Muslim student, 18, banned from college because she refuses to remove her burkha
     Reply #119 - November 09, 2009, 10:13 PM
    Clarification for DH-- I was referring specifically to burkha/niqab, not necessarily just a headscarf.
    fuck you
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