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  • Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     OP - October 27, 2009, 03:52 PM

    What do you guys think about this whole story, where Allah asks Iblis the Jinn to bow down before Adam? Iblis refuses to do this, because he thinks his own nature is superior to that of a human. Because of this disobedience Allah curses him, but Iblis isn't punished immediately. He gets respite until Judgment Day and is even allowed to lead humans astray.

    Let's see how the Koran narrates this story:
    Quote from: Koran Surah 38
    75: (Allah) said: "O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?"                                                       
    76: (Iblis) said: "I am better than he: thou createdst me from fire, and him thou createdst from clay."
    77: (Allah) said: "Then get thee out from here: for thou art rejected, accursed.
    78: "And My curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment."
    79: (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised."
    80: (Allah) said: "Respite then is granted thee-
    81: "Till the Day of the Time Appointed."
    82: (Iblis) said: "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-
    83: "Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
    84: (Allah) said: "Then it is just and fitting- and I say what is just and fitting-
    85: "That I will certainly fill Hell with thee and those that follow thee,- every one."
    86: Say: "No reward do I ask of you for this (Qur'an), nor am I a pretender.
    87: "This is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds.
    88: "And ye shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while."


    Notice what Iblis says in verse 83 and contrast it with this verse:
    Quote from: Koran Surah 22
    52: Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
    53: That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):


    To my mind this looks like a contradiction. It's Iblis who said he won't touch the servants of Allah, but certainly he can't lie to the Allmighty and still try to deceive his faithful believers. It should be some kind of natural law that will restrict Satan, and yet in 22:52 we read that Satan is even able to attack Allah's prophets!

    I have the following questions to you:

    1. How would you thoughtfully criticize the fact that Allah allows Iblis to lead humans astray? Do you think it's fair to say that Satan is a challenge in this life, like many other things? Can this be justified in some way or does it contradict Allah's justicy and mercy?
    2. Do you think the contradiction I pointed out above about Satan and prophets is valid?

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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #1 - October 27, 2009, 04:50 PM

    Interesting information to consider.

    I hope thier are some that will post from a believer in Islam point of view.

    I've printed it so I can consider it at home, as I am out of time on the computer for now.

    Lynna

    PS I haven't forgotten about your question about Jeph'thah's daughter (sacrific). I just keep forgetting to bring my notes with me when I come to work.

     

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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #2 - October 27, 2009, 05:04 PM

    yes i think the contradiction is valid , he cannot say u are unable to touch my sincere servants and then allow him to do it to prophets. But the typical muslim answer will be
    53: That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):

    A trial , its all a trial..

    As for God`s mercy and justice , i donot see that he is just at all, creating iblis and making him think he`s the most superior being among all creations(esp that God created iblis in this way proud and all) then gets upset and thinks of creating another toy to annoy iblis with it..

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #3 - October 27, 2009, 06:04 PM

    As for God`s mercy and justice , i donot see that he is just at all, creating iblis and making him think he`s the most superior being among all creations(esp that God created iblis in this way proud and all) then gets upset and thinks of creating another toy to annoy iblis with it..


    Exactly dear Prosaic, Allah is never been fair or just and he admits it every other verse in the Quran.

    He says he prefers Prophets over prophets (Mohamed)
    He says he prefers race over race (Israel, Arabs)
    He obviously prefer some Angels or Jins over others

    Is this a just God?

    ...
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #4 - October 27, 2009, 07:23 PM

    Interesting argument, but I have another one.
    Considering that Adam and Eve were in heaven, and then Iblis came and convinced them to eat from the forbidden tree. How did he get into heaven if he was already cursed?

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #5 - October 28, 2009, 05:07 AM

    It's pretty clear that Iblis is there just to make the story more "balanced". Notice all the super-hero movies: there's always the bad-guy that can push the good-guy's buttons.

    It's a way for Muslims to explain the horrible things that happen to them in this world. Any time they have a "bad" impulse to do something, or some bad luck comes their way, they can easily blame Iblis. Not themselves, or the all-perfect Allah.

    You don't really need to cite any specific Quranic references to show that Iblis doesn't make sense: the entire concept itself is a contradiction. Why would Allah create something that pisses him off, when Allah is clearly omniscient (knows the past and the future). Why not look into the future and see that Iblis is going to be a pain in the ass? Of course it doesn't make sense. None of it does.

    The whole idea of "the creator of absolutely everything" having enemies or being angry at *anything* is just one big jumble of contradictions.

     
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #6 - October 28, 2009, 06:04 AM

    Here is how Iblis came into the picture:  Afro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSOac66ppNI&feature=related

    ...
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #7 - October 28, 2009, 09:27 AM

    Interesting argument, but I have another one.
    Considering that Adam and Eve were in heaven, and then Iblis came and convinced them to eat from the forbidden tree. How did he get into heaven if he was already cursed?



    Good one.  Afro


    The story is gibberish, anyone who can read can see that. There are simply way too many problems with it, that there would be no end to pointing stuff out...and you will never be able to make sense of it.
    I mean, what was Iblis doing there in the first place? Since he's a jinn why did allah only command the angles? How can something be "created by fire"? That doesnt even make sense.
    Having his creation bow (in his presence no less) to another of his creations? and Poor Iblis...after allah gets all mad at him, Iblis basically says "hay, you lead me astray" (so basically, allah f'ed him over)...then after allah curses him and tells him to go to hell....Iblis says "Hay, how about instead of going to hell....you give me a break for a while and let me fuck with your new creation....so I can trick them into going to hell too?"....allah says "hmmm, you make a good case. Ok, then....but not my true believers"....then Iblis tricks Adam...the guy who was just created!
    Hell, how stupid is adam....allah just made him a few moments ago and he lives in heaven and hangs out with allah...and iblis is still able to trick him up.


    I mean...this is like it was written by a child.

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    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #8 - October 28, 2009, 10:30 AM

    Interesting argument, but I have another one.
    Considering that Adam and Eve were in heaven, and then Iblis came and convinced them to eat from the forbidden tree. How did he get into heaven if he was already cursed?

    Good observation! Afro

    However, I just thought of an excuse for it :(.

    Quote from: 7:13-18
    (Allah) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."

    (Iblees) said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."

    (Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."

    (Iblees) said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way."

    (Allah) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.


    But when Allah told him to "get out", either he didn't mean out of Paradise completely (just from his presence), or Iblees didn't listen to Allah. Thinking hard

    Quote from: Homer
    Since he's a jinn why did allah only command the angles?

    Tafsir (post explanation when questions arise like ours Grin) says that Iblees used to be righteous and was admitted to Paradise and was with the angels when Allah gave the command.

    Quote
    How can something be "created by fire"? That doesnt even make sense.

    Sure it does! Humans=clay, Jinn=fire, Angels=light Wink

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #9 - October 28, 2009, 04:13 PM

    Well, you guys make good points, some of which I've already thought of and presented at a German Afghan forum. The replies I get there are incredibly weak, yet the answers given must be so convincing to them — it's the power of faith. "Life's a test and that's the way Allah is testing us, otherwise it would be too easy..." Real, firm believers won't budge an inch if you ask them such questions. I guess only those who already have some doubts about Islam would consider thinking about these questions to see if they really make sense.

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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #10 - October 28, 2009, 07:12 PM

    Well, you guys make good points, some of which I've already thought of and presented at a German Afghan forum. The replies I get there are incredibly weak, yet the answers given must be so convincing to them ? it's the power of faith. "Life's a test and that's the way Allah is testing us, otherwise it would be too easy..." Real, firm believers won't budge an inch if you ask them such questions. I guess only those who already have some doubts about Islam would consider thinking about these questions to see if they really make sense.


    What bugs me about this whole "Test" thing is that ,,God created us ,and he made us basically from nothing , and then he gave us that trial to test our faith or endurance etc.. If we should mess up , who is to blame now? us or him??
    wasnot he the One who made us  Huh?

    أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدآ عبده ورسوله
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #11 - October 28, 2009, 07:23 PM

     Afro

    ...
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #12 - October 30, 2009, 01:00 PM

    Tafsir (post explanation when questions arise like ours Grin) says that Iblees used to be righteous and was admitted to Paradise and was with the angels when Allah gave the command.


    vs.

    Sure it does! Humans=clay, Jinn=fire, Angels=light Wink


    So if angels is of light and Jinns of fire then I take that first he made them all angels, then some of them was remade by fire?

    Quote
    Narrated by ?Aa?ishah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from fire, and Aadam was created from that which has been described to you.? (Reported by Muslim, 5314).


    Islamic-Awareness of course has an article on the matter. It's quite funny. Their articles is normally of higher standard.

    Quote
    Rebuttal

    In the verse

    And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. [Qur'?n 2:34]

    the nature of Ibl?s is not mentioned, i.e., whether he was an angel or someone else. But the verse

    Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers! [Qur'?n 18:50]

    clarifies who Ibl?s is. He was one of Jinn not angels as wrongly claimed by the Christian missionaries.

    We have used the traditional method of Qur'?nic exegesis involving Context & Internal Relationships, i.e., al-Qur'?n yufassiru bacduhu bacdan (different parts of the Qur'?n explain each other). What is given in a general way in one place is discussed in detail in some other place in the Qur'?n. What is dealt with briefly at one place is expanded in some other place.


    So where exactly is it explained that the Jinn's or for that matter Iblis was told to bow before Adam???

    Zakir Naik of course have the perfect explanation Smiley

    Quote
    The English translation of the first part of the verse ?We said to the angels bow down to Adam: they bowed down except Iblis?, gives us the impression that Iblis was an angel. The Qur?an was revealed in Arabic. In Arabic grammar there is a rule known as Tagleeb, according to which, if the majority is addressed, even the minority is included. If for example, I address a class containing 100 students of whom 99 are boys and one is a girl, and if I say in Arabic that the boys should stand up, it includes the girl as well. I need not mention her seperately.

    Similarly in the Qur?an, when Allah addressed the angels, even Iblis was present, but it is not required that he be mentioned separately. Therefore according to that sentence Iblis may be an angel or may not be an angel, but we come to know from Surah Al Kahf chapter 18 verse 50 that Iblis was a Jinn. No where does the Qur?an say Iblis was an angel. Therefore there is no contradiction in the Qur?an. (Dr. Zakir Naik, Most Common Questions asked by Non-Muslims who have some knowledge of Islam
    Source

  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #13 - October 31, 2009, 08:16 AM

    Quote
    The Qur?an was revealed in Arabic. In Arabic grammar there is a rule known as Tagleeb, according to which, if the majority is addressed, even the minority is included. If for example, I address a class containing 100 students of whom 99 are boys and one is a girl, and if I say in Arabic that the boys should stand up, it includes the girl as well. I need not mention her seperately.



    I always just chalked it up to poor writing (basically it was written in a sloppy manner, but later on they couldnt correct it since its gods word and all). If true, however, I dont know enough about arabic, so I need to ask....doesnt that get confusing? Like, what if I really did just want to boys to stand up?

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    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #14 - November 05, 2010, 08:26 AM

    Men and women are equal, but polygamy is allowed and polyandry is not. 4:34 is for men to use against women and not vice-versa.

    (lol wrong thread)
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #15 - November 05, 2010, 09:28 AM

    You see, the only reason Satan is in the picture is to get more followers, it is called the carrot and stick approach. Allah is the carrot, and Satan is the stick. This is part of human psychology.

    As humans we even do it to kids subconsciously, when they are being disobedient, when we tell kids not to misbehave or the 'Old Man' is going to get them. In the case of Islam, Satan was Mohammed's, way of making incredibly weak-minded humans listen/obey him out of fear.

    I think Mohammed at times was confused with his story, sometimes he would make himself sound like Allah, and Allah like the devil. In the Quran there are many places where it says: "Obey the prophet, and fear Allah" and also, Allah seems to (Like all human ideas of God) display human characteristics, such as 'love', 'mercy', 'forgiveness', 'anger', 'threats' these are all human emotions, created by chemical reactions in the brain, why would a God display human emotions?
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #16 - November 18, 2010, 07:47 AM

    You see, the only reason Satan is in the picture is to get more followers, it is called the carrot and stick approach. Allah is the carrot, and Satan is the stick. This is part of human psychology.

    As humans we even do it to kids subconsciously, when they are being disobedient, when we tell kids not to misbehave or the 'Old Man' is going to get them. In the case of Islam, Satan was Mohammed's, way of making incredibly weak-minded humans listen/obey him out of fear.

    I think Mohammed at times was confused with his story, sometimes he would make himself sound like Allah, and Allah like the devil. In the Quran there are many places where it says: "Obey the prophet, and fear Allah" and also, Allah seems to (Like all human ideas of God) display human characteristics, such as 'love', 'mercy', 'forgiveness', 'anger', 'threats' these are all human emotions, created by chemical reactions in the brain, why would a God display human emotions?


    Interesting idea.
    I wasn't threatened as a child when I misbehaved that the 'Old Man' was going to get me, nor did I threaten my daughter that way. Neither was the fear of a burnig Hell or ever lasting torment ever put before me nor did I teach my daughter such a thing.

    When I look at what Aziz posted I see it from a very different angle.

    I don't know all the things the Qur'an teaches. Of some things I have a very basic idea. Most things cause more questions then answers or formed opinions.

    From my fondation of belief God is just, powerful, merciful and loving far beyond the ability of any human.

    God created Satan (who at his creation had a different name) to be a perfect and beautiful angel with freewill. That beautiful angel misused his freewill by desiring what didn't belong to him thereby becoming Satan and Devil (names meaning slanderer and divider). IT WAS NOT GOD'S FAULT THAT THIS HAPPENED. If God had interfered in Satans use of his freewill then Satan would not have had freewill. God's prefect justice would allow for Satan to present his case and have a trial. To us very short lived humans this seems to have been going on a very long time. However, to very long lived spirit creatures, older then our earth, very little time has pasted since Satan desired the worship and loyality of God's human creation and thus proceded to cause them to disobey God and thereby obey and show loyality to him.  Raising the question: Is God the best and rightful Sovereign of the creation.

    So when I see :

    82: (Iblis) said: "Then, by Thy power, I will put them all in the wrong,-
    83: "Except Thy Servants amongst them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."

    Of course Iblis (Satan) is trying to mislead all of mankind, especially God's servants, because he is trying to create evidence the people want him (Satan) to be Sovereign of the Creation. The thing that this verse from the Qur'an shows me is that Mohammed did not have as complete understanding of the situation as he should have.

    As regards Aziz question:

    1. How would you thoughtfully criticize the fact that Allah allows Iblis to lead humans astray?
    -I would not thoughtfully or other wise critize the fact that Allah allows Iblis to attempt to lead humans astray because if at this point Allah pervented humans from using thier freewill then they would not have freewill and Allah would be acting unjustly. There will come a point in time when it will have been established that the True God's Sovereignty can not be challenged and any one doing so will be stopped immediately but that has not happened yet.

    Do you think it's fair to say that Satan is a challenge in this life, like many other things?
    -Fair? I suppose. If Satan had no influence there wouldn't be sickness, death, injustice, racial hatred, so yes Satan causes challenges in our lives. Hardships that are put on us not caused by our own bad choices or just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Can this be justified in some way or does it contradict Allah's justicy and mercy?
    -I think I already answer this part.

    2. Do you think the contradiction I pointed out above about Satan and prophets is valid?
    I do understand.
    Do you think Allah should take freewill away from prophets? Shouldn't prophets be able to make their own choice to serve Allah because they love him?
    Or if you think the contradiction his to do with Satan lying to the Almighty, why wouldn't he? I mean...of course the Almighty would know but why wouldn't Satan try lying to God? Satan's a powerful angel but at some level he's got to be sort of delusional. Satan know's he was created by the Almighty but he thinks his going to out do his Creator...

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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #17 - November 18, 2010, 08:01 AM

    To troll CEMB.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #18 - October 14, 2011, 09:45 PM

    You guys must be asking why did Allah grant respite to iblis? Very simple, Iblis says in a verse of The Holy Quran : [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected."  (15:36).............Iblees asks Allah by the words "O my Lord", Allah accepts every dua and is the most kind hence satan's dua is accepted.
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #19 - October 14, 2011, 09:54 PM

    You guys must be asking why did Allah grant respite to iblis?


    No, the question is why did Allah create Iblis?

    Allah accepts every dua and is the most kind hence satan's dua is accepted.


    Is that right?

    How come he didn't answer the prayer of this child forced into prostitution?

  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #20 - October 14, 2011, 10:01 PM

    I know what the question is. How do you know this girl is forced into prostituition? It's an image which you have accepted without the facts. And maybe the girl has not asked Allah for help, maybe she isnt a muslim. Maybe it's all a TEST for the non-muslims to hinder them off the right path.
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #21 - October 14, 2011, 10:10 PM

    maybe she isnt a muslim


    Go fuck yourself.

    [/end of conversation]
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #22 - October 14, 2011, 10:14 PM

    maybe the girl has not asked Allah for help, maybe she isnt a muslim. Maybe it's all a TEST for the non-muslims to hinder them off the right path.


    If this was true, and you could prove it, then the god you claim to worship is evil.

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  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #23 - October 14, 2011, 10:44 PM

    It's interesting how the thread title is why did Allah create satan/iblis. When infact Allah didn't directly create him, rather he was an angel that fell, out of his own doing. Yes Allah wills everything and thus created him but in the narrative that is presented to us, the inflection is toward the idea that Satan was the creation of someone that fell out of obedience with Allah.

    It was as if we imperfect humans, in the impersonal loving presence of Allah fell ourselves before him, we are the creators of Satan in the story of man. As a part Jungian, to me, Satan is the symbol of the ego, internally. The ego is in a way the creator of the conceptions which seek to dominate the reality it sees. The egoless, sinless being is without need to conquer but is inclined to align himself with existence as is, however, the ego reaches out of the being and seeks to dominate, conquer, manipulate reality. I believe that at some point, the ego was intended to be symbolised by satan/iblis.  

    In the advaitic tradition, the ego i.e. Satan is the active principal, life remains as is and god has always been united with man but satan creates the illusion that what God has bestowed is not enough, what god has bestowed is not wholesome and creates emptiness and thus must seek wordly pleasures through domination, conquer and manipulation. In that same tradition, it is not consumption, that brings about a cure for that great emptiness but a recognition that the satan has created the illusion that you must consume to be happy rather than be with what Allah has bestowed which is this moment now.

    To mix Islamic mysticism and advaitic tradition together; Satan is man made but is self-perpetuated by the idea that man has been afflicted by God, this idea a product of Satan. A circular conundrum for the human being.

    A more accurate question would be, Why Did Allah create humans so self-corruptible, for in the narrative, it is the Iblis who chose not to be satisfied.  

    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #24 - October 14, 2011, 10:54 PM

    I know what the question is. How do you know this girl is forced into prostituition? It's an image which you have accepted without the facts. And maybe the girl has not asked Allah for help, maybe she isnt a muslim. Maybe it's all a TEST for the non-muslims to hinder them off the right path.

    That's a pretty cool test, dude. To check whether or not she really, really believes in God, she has to have her vagina forcefully penetrated, get sad, compartmentalize all of her sadness and loss of life/control over her life and then realize that God really exists and loves her after all. It's perfect and sound in all shape, form and fashion. God really is great, isn't he?

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #25 - October 27, 2014, 10:46 PM

    Allah didn't directly create him, rather he was an angel that fell


    Not according to Islam.

    In Islam Iblis is a Jinn, made of fire. Angels are made of light.

    And unicorns are generally pink.
  • Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #26 - October 27, 2014, 10:52 PM

    Quote
    Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?

    because he was bored and wanted to play a dangerous game
  • Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #27 - October 28, 2014, 12:10 AM

    INcePtion  answers  the real puzzling Question about all religions

    Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
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    INcePtion  Ans:  because he was bored and wanted to play a dangerous game


    Nope., I think it is wrong.,  First of all, Allah is NOT "He".,   Allah is  "She"

    Now you may be right., Allah(SHE) was bored and wanted to play a dangerous game so she created Iblis/Satan.,     Now what she didn't realize is the competition from girls like  INcePtion.,  There is no way allah is going to win this competition...... Cheesy .,   So her dangerous game comes to an end in this century, if not in next 50 years or so..
     

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  • Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #28 - October 28, 2014, 12:53 AM

    Not according to Islam.

    In Islam Iblis is a Jinn, made of fire. Angels are made of light.

    And unicorns are generally pink.

    That was one of the first contradictions to jump out at me when I began looking into islam. It clearly indicates that Iblis is an angel at the start of the quran, then suddenly refers to him as jinn later on without explanation.


    2:34




    Sahih International
    And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.

    Muhsin Khan
    And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam.". And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah).

    Pickthall
    And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.

    Yusuf Ali
    And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

    Shakir
    And when We said to the angels: Make obeisance to Adam they did obeisance, but Iblis (did it not). He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers.

    Dr. Ghali
    And (remember) as We said to the Angels, "Prostrate (yourselves) to Adam", so they prostrated (themselves) except Iblis: He refused and waxed proud, and he was (one) of the disbelievers.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Why did Allah create Iblis/Satan?
     Reply #29 - October 28, 2014, 01:44 AM

    And in Yezidi lore:

    "Iblis: I will not bow to man. I will only bow to God"

    And thus Yezidis became "devil worshippers".

    In their lore Iblis was never a fallen angel.

    Or so I have read.

    Biological evolutionists tell me have the same brain today as we had 40.000 years ago. And that our species is a maximum of 200.000 years old.

    The Abrahamic religions and dogma seem to have wiped out so much interesting history since we started to cultivate the soil. 28.000 years after we got the brains we have now Huh?

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