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  • Programmes to Watch!!!
     OP - October 28, 2009, 09:43 PM
    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/four-wives-one-man/4od#2926755

    Watch it yesterday on Channel 4 - thought provoking fly-on-the-wall documentary particularly at the end!, about village life in Iran and one man who has 4 wives and how they live with him & their opinionated mother-in-law
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #1 - October 29, 2009, 07:31 AM
    "Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same" - Oscar Wilde
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #2 - October 29, 2009, 10:22 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2009, 09:43 PM
    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/four-wives-one-man/4od#2926755

    Watch it yesterday on Channel 4 - thought provoking fly-on-the-wall documentary particularly at the end!, about village life in Iran and one man who has 4 wives and how they live with him & their opinionated mother-in-law


    Bummer. It is not available in North Africa. Is it on youtube?
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #3 - October 29, 2009, 12:07 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on October 29, 2009, 10:22 AM
    Bummer. It is not available in North Africa. Is it on youtube?

    Here's the trailer on YouTube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgMjzisxxE
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #4 - October 29, 2009, 04:03 PM
    What? Did she say: the only thing my son thinks of is pussy?  Cheesy
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #5 - October 29, 2009, 05:05 PM
    Yep, granny is a right battle-axe
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #6 - October 29, 2009, 05:53 PM
    I started watching this earlier today before I realised I had a lecture to be at  wacko I'll post my views of it once I have finished. dance
  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #7 - October 29, 2009, 06:06 PM
    cool
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #8 - October 29, 2009, 06:59 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 28, 2009, 09:43 PM
    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/four-wives-one-man/4od#2926755

    Watch it yesterday on Channel 4 - thought provoking fly-on-the-wall documentary particularly at the end!, about village life in Iran and one man who has 4 wives and how they live with him & their opinionated mother-in-law


    Wow this documentary really was insightful. I felt sorry for his wives and children, him on the other hand...urgh! I was hoping they would all gang up on him and beat the crap outta him, well...he's 50...they prob will soon...
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #9 - October 29, 2009, 11:10 PM
    I just finished watching it. It was honest, open and raw. It shows real emotions that people find hard to divorce themselves from even when all practical bases are covered e.g. the husband being fair to all.

    Btw, 2 things:
    1. Did the little girl get married for real?
    2. By the end of the documentry, the husband had 5 wives. This is against Islam's maximum of 4.
  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #10 - October 29, 2009, 11:20 PM
    Quote from: Ferrero on October 29, 2009, 11:10 PM
    I just finished watching it. It was honest, open and raw. It shows real emotions that people find hard to divorce themselves from even when all practical bases are covered e.g. the husband being fair to all.

    Btw, 2 things:
    1. Did the little girl get married for real?
    2. By the end of the documentry, the husband had 5 wives. This is against Islam's maximum of 4.

    1.  That was an engagement party I thought
    2.  If the prophet Muhammed didnt give a stuff, then I dont think he does either.  His mum guessed right - he only cares about one thing.
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #11 - October 29, 2009, 11:21 PM
    Cheetah - you planning to watch it, I'd be interested to know your thoughts..
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #12 - October 30, 2009, 07:10 AM
    Quote from: Ferrero on October 29, 2009, 11:10 PM
    2. By the end of the documentry, the husband had 5 wives. This is against Islam's maximum of 4


    No, who said the maximum is four? The Quran says you can marry 2 and 3 and 4 = 9. If you look at how many Mr Lova Lova Mr Mo had married you'd realize that yes Muslim men are allowed to get up to 9 wives and not just 4. Besides, forget Quran... Sunna says that we should follow what Mo did... Right?
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #13 - October 30, 2009, 07:47 AM
    From the comments section of the trailer on youtube:

    Quote from: jefeisdguard
    Grandma is blunt & absolutely right on target.
    Women dont realize that to make men happy all they need do is flash 'em some flesh often ... to make them feel good.
    Men have two gears, either they are hungry or they are horny ... simple.
    If he doesnt want to lay you, get him a sandwich.

    Cheesy
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #14 - October 30, 2009, 08:11 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 11:20 PM
    1.  That was an engagement party I thought
    2.  If the prophet Muhammed didnt give a stuff, then I dont think he does either.  His mum guessed right - he only cares about one thing.

    Yes but verse 33:50 only permits for muhammad the permission to exceed the limits.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #15 - October 30, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on October 30, 2009, 07:10 AM
    No, who said the maximum is four? The Quran says you can marry 2 and 3 and 4 = 9. If you look at how many Mr Lova Lova Mr Mo had married you'd realize that yes Muslim men are allowed to get up to 9 wives and not just 4. Besides, forget Quran... Sunna says that we should follow what Mo did... Right?

    Ribs, it does't say 'and' it says 'or' so 4 is max:

    'Ye may marry of the women who seem good to you two or three or four, but if ye fear that ye cannot observe equity between them, then espouse but a single wife'
  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #16 - October 30, 2009, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 29, 2009, 11:21 PM
    Cheetah - you planning to watch it, I'd be interested to know your thoughts..


    I found it depressing.
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #17 - October 30, 2009, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: Ferrero on October 30, 2009, 06:20 PM
    Ribs, it does't say 'and' it says 'or' so 4 is max:

    'Ye may marry of the women who seem good to you two or three or four, but if ye fear that ye cannot observe equity between them, then espouse but a single wife'


    I am a native speaker of Arabic.... I know that Wa means AND. I wonder why the translate it to OR. Here is the arabic version and below is a screen shot of the verse (from Tanzil.info) as translated by Shakir, where it is properly translated AND.

    Quote from:
    وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا

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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #18 - October 31, 2009, 08:38 AM
    Speaking about the Arabic language...  grin12

    I once asked a hardcore-Muslim creationist relative of mine a question that made him angry and told me that you are asking hard questions that no body would dare ask.

    We were discussing evolution, or rather I was explaining how evolution has way stronger evidence than creationists holy books. He mentioned that I should be reading a lots of Muslim faith books and Hadiths and get a good grip of the Arabic language first before I try to understand or interpret a verse from the Holy Quran. He said maybe Muslims did not understand the quran well.

    My question was simple:

    "If the Quran is in Arabic language and in many verses it says that it was revealed to Mohammed in a simple easy to understand Arabic (Quranon Arabyon Mobeenon) and we Arabs find it difficult sometimes to interpret, then how come god will punish the French, the English, the Spanish or any other language speaking people for not following the Quran?"

    That made him angry and frustrated and started raising his voice..  finmad

    I told him that we can only continue discussing if he answered my question...  Cheesy
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #19 - October 31, 2009, 09:41 AM
    Quote from: RIBS on October 31, 2009, 08:38 AM
    "If the Quran is in Arabic language and in many verses it says that it was revealed to Mohammed in a simple easy to understand Arabic (Quranon Arabyon Mobeenon) and we Arabs find it difficult sometimes to interpret, then how come god will punish the French, the English, the Spanish or any other language speaking people for not following the Quran?"

    Brilliant! Thanks for sharing this.
  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #20 - October 31, 2009, 09:44 AM
    I didn't watch the entire four horsemen thingy because of the length but I was just watching Dawkins interviewing the Bishop of Oxford. That was rather interesting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ0WinCWtLs&feature=video_response
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #21 - October 31, 2009, 09:56 AM
    Meh. Wrong thread. Got them mixed up.  Cheesy  Too lazy to move it though.
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #22 - October 31, 2009, 01:52 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on October 31, 2009, 08:38 AM

    My question was simple:

    "If the Quran is in Arabic language and in many verses it says that it was revealed to Mohammed in a simple easy to understand Arabic (Quranon Arabyon Mobeenon) and we Arabs find it difficult sometimes to interpret, then how come god will punish the French, the English, the Spanish or any other language speaking people for not following the Quran?"

    That made him angry and frustrated and started raising his voice..  finmad

    I told him that we can only continue discussing if he answered my question...  Cheesy


    Brilliant...I asked a similar question to my Muslim housemate and he was just speechless at first and then he said I don't know, only allah would bleh..
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    Their eyes real close together. Eyebrow ridges. Big, furry hands and feet. 'I believe God created me in one day.'
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #23 - October 31, 2009, 06:15 PM
    Another question that I found confusing to Muslims who complain that the Muslims or particularly the Arabic Muslim world are backwards and suffer from their dictator regiems and despite oil rich, they live in poverty and are relatively uneducated and being branded a "3rd world status" is this: Allah many times said in the Quran that he answers the prayers of the faithful. So how come he does not answer the prayers of zillions of mosque goers who pray in masses every Friday to improve their conditions and defeat the enemies of Islam? I tell them that there are only 2 possible answers: 1- Thete are no faithful soul in the several billions of Muslims in the entire world. Or 2- Allah does not answer prayers at all.

    They usually become speachless as well.
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #24 - October 31, 2009, 06:46 PM
    A good way to prove if whether Allah occasionally answers prayers, would be too check to see if  Muslims have a higher cancer survival rate than atheists? 

    Muslim cancer sufferers would pray more to the monotheistic God than an atheist would, and thus as a whole be more likely to have their prayer answered and survive than a Murtad Kaffir would. 

    I am sure it would be fairly easy to prove this by comparing the cancer survival statistic of a largely atheist nation (the largest being Sweden which is 80% irreligious, or others like Denmark, Russia or Switzerland) vs. any Muslim nation.

    This would prove that prayers do not work (or Allah does not exist).
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #25 - October 31, 2009, 06:59 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 31, 2009, 09:44 AM
    I didn't watch the entire four horsemen thingy because of the length but I was just watching Dawkins interviewing the Bishop of Oxford. That was rather interesting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ0WinCWtLs&feature=video_response


    Dawkins not being an obnoxious asshole-- I love it. Are there more video clips of him in a non-confrontational dialogue with religious people?
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #26 - October 31, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on October 31, 2009, 06:46 PM
    A good way to prove if whether Allah occasionally answers prayers, would be too check to see if  Muslims have a higher cancer survival rate than atheists? 

    Muslim cancer sufferers would pray more to the monotheistic God than an atheist would, and thus as a whole be more likely to have their prayer answered and survive than a Murtad Kaffir would. 

    I am sure it would be fairly easy to prove this by comparing the cancer survival statistic of a largely atheist nation (the largest being Sweden which is 80% irreligious, or others like Denmark, Russia or Switzerland) vs. any Muslim nation.

    This would prove that prayers do not work (or Allah does not exist).

    Although an interesting idea, there are too many contributing effect(s) of confounding variables you would have to control such as genetics, diet (e.g. smokers and high % fat diet), age, environment and health.

    Related only until the point of studies exploring effects of religion, you maybe interested in checking out the work of distinguished neuropsychologist Richard Davidson and his work on meditation. Afro
  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #27 - October 31, 2009, 09:41 PM
    Q-Man, that is part one of four and if follow it to the YouTube page the other three are linked as responses.
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #28 - November 01, 2009, 01:54 AM
    Quote from: Ferrero on October 31, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Although an interesting idea, there are too many contributing effect(s) of confounding variables you would have to control such as genetics, diet (e.g. smokers and high % fat diet), age, environment and health.

    These confounding variables would become less significant when cross-comparing trans-global statistics e.g. all muslim countries vs. all kaffir/or even non-muslim ones...
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  • Re: Programmes to Watch!!!
     Reply #29 - November 01, 2009, 05:04 AM
    How about comparing 5 main religions and see which God answers prayers most?
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