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  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #30 - November 02, 2009, 02:01 PM

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     Reply #31 - November 02, 2009, 02:02 PM

  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #32 - November 02, 2009, 02:03 PM

  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #33 - November 02, 2009, 02:05 PM

    More at: http://seculardemocracy.org/photos.html
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #34 - November 02, 2009, 02:11 PM

    It seems Choudary did not cancel after all, but instead held his demonstration in Walthamstow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPQcowNPnk



    From the BMSD demo



    Hey is that not Hassan, behind the woman with the red scarf ?

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #35 - November 02, 2009, 02:23 PM

    Well he still ran away! He made a BIG deal about marching through London and past the Houses of Parliament. He had to sneak away and turn up somewhere unannounced.

    What really annoys me is that despite this was a victory for us and a defeat for him the tabloids have ignored the BMSD demo but continue to promote him.

    Sometimes I wonder WTF is going on?Huh?Huh?

    Yesterdays Sunday's Express carried a headline story about Anjem and his Islam4UK thugs - but nothing about the BMSD demo?Huh?Huh???:

    'BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE GOING TO HELL'

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/137481/-British-soldiers-are-going-to-hell-


    WTF?Huh?Huh???
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #36 - November 02, 2009, 02:26 PM

    From the BMSD demo

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Hey is that not Hassan, behind the woman with the red scarf ?


    And yes, that's me - the lady in the red scarf is part our "One Law for All" campaign!
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #37 - November 02, 2009, 02:34 PM


    What really annoys me is that despite this was a victory for us and a defeat for him the tablids have ignored the BMSD demo but continue to promote him.

    Sometimes I wonder WTF is going on?Huh?Huh?

    Yesterdays Sunday's Express carried a headline story about Anjem and his Islam4UK thugs - but nothing about the BMSD demo?Huh?Huh???:


    I really do not understand it either, I googled it again today and still nothing.

    Perhaps you, or somebody from BMSD should contact the major newspapers and ask them why that is ?

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #38 - November 02, 2009, 04:31 PM

    Was a Press Advisory e-mailed or faxed to the appropriate reporters or desks/bureaus of the newspapers and TV news outlets beforehand? If so, was this followed up by phone calls to the individual journalists or bureau chiefs, then a Press Release issued shortly after the event began?

    The news media sucks, especially the tabloids, who will cover the most sensational stories, and will not give two shits about a counter-demo to Anjem Choudary's cunts unless it gets nasty or violent, because, well, because they (the tabloids) are amoral and ignorant scum for the most part. If you want to get news coverage for this, you're gonna have to do more than send out a general press release/press advisory and just show up. You gotta make sure your message is crafted plainly with a good "hook" and that it gets to the right people, and they are followed up with-- even then the press still might fuck you, but your chances are better if you lay the groundwork properly. If you ever need help writing a press release or advisory, just drop me a PM.

    fuck you
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #39 - November 02, 2009, 06:30 PM

    Was a Press Advisory e-mailed or faxed to the appropriate reporters or desks/bureaus of the newspapers and TV news outlets beforehand? If so, was this followed up by phone calls to the individual journalists or bureau chiefs, then a Press Release issued shortly after the event began?

    The news media sucks, especially the tabloids, who will cover the most sensational stories, and will not give two shits about a counter-demo to Anjem Choudary's cunts unless it gets nasty or violent, because, well, because they (the tabloids) are amoral and ignorant scum for the most part. If you want to get news coverage for this, you're gonna have to do more than send out a general press release/press advisory and just show up. You gotta make sure your message is crafted plainly with a good "hook" and that it gets to the right people, and they are followed up with-- even then the press still might fuck you, but your chances are better if you lay the groundwork properly. If you ever need help writing a press release or advisory, just drop me a PM.


    Thanks Q! From what I can see the BMSD is young group of liberal/moderate Muslims who are unaccustomed to organising a demo and didn't know how to achieve the maximum impact. I'm certainly no expert on these things by a long way but even I had to question things like why they put down the placards at one point after a photo op and ceded the steps under the statue of Eros to the small bunch of EDL that were encroaching on our photo op. It was very noticeable that when Peter Tatchell (a seasoned political campaigner) turned up he immediately started marshalling what had turned into a rather sprawling crowd of people chatting and holding placards at waist height. He went around telling people to hold their placards aloft and moved them together for greater impact etc...

    I am of course not a member of the BMSD but only a well-wisher so I have no idea how they have been dealing with the press - but I will contact Shaaz and put some of your points to him.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #40 - November 02, 2009, 08:57 PM

    Well he still ran away! He made a BIG deal about marching through London and past the Houses of Parliament. He had to sneak away and turn up somewhere unannounced.

    What really annoys me is that despite this was a victory for us and a defeat for him the tabloids have ignored the BMSD demo but continue to promote him.

    Sometimes I wonder WTF is going on?Huh?Huh?

    Yesterdays Sunday's Express carried a headline story about Anjem and his Islam4UK thugs - but nothing about the BMSD demo?Huh?Huh???:

    'BRITISH SOLDIERS ARE GOING TO HELL'

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/137481/-British-soldiers-are-going-to-hell-


    WTF?Huh?Huh???



     Sex and violence sells newspapers.The Express knows that Choudary makes readers blood boil so they use him to good effect.The BMSD look like a nice bunch of people,certainly not the sort who are going to get into a fight with Choudary's mob so the tabloids aren't really interested.The EDL are in the same position and didn't get any press coverage from Saturday's demo in Leeds due to it being peaceful.In fact a media crew told them it wouldn't be covered unless anything kicked off.If the BMSD want to make an impact they need to confront Choudary head on at one of his roadshows.Make sure the media know in advance and go there with some minders to make sure the demonstrators are protected as you can't rely on the police to protect you.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #41 - November 02, 2009, 09:18 PM

    The EDL are in the same position and didn't get any press coverage from Saturday's demo in Leeds due to it being peaceful.In fact a media crew told them it wouldn't be covered unless anything kicked off. If the BMSD want to make an impact they need to confront Choudary head on at one of his roadshows. Make sure the media know in advance and go there with some minders to make sure the demonstrators are protected as you can't rely on the police to protect you.


    I certainly would never contemplate for a moment planning or joining a demo that had the intention of creating violent conflict for the purpose of grabbing headlines.

    It's extremely sad that the media only regard such things as newsworthy.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #42 - November 02, 2009, 10:50 PM

    I certainly would never contemplate for a moment planning or joining a demo that had the intention of creating violent conflict for the purpose of grabbing headlines.

    It's extremely sad that the media only regard such things as newsworthy.


    It is indeed sad, but in theory* there is a pacifist angle to Tony's suggestion which might please you more-- civil disobedience. Next time Choudary and his crew of Islamist scum march, one could have a few folks peacefully block their path, knowing the police will order them to move, they refuse and get arrested (and it's possible the Islamists might get violent with them). In such a scenario, one would want to alert the media on the DL (in addition to general Press Advisories/Press Releases, some personal calls to reporters explaining specifically what will happen), retain a solicitor/barrister beforehand, arrange for bail money, perhaps even give the cops a heads-up the day of (that can be tricky, depends on the situation), civil disobedience training for those directly participating in the action to make sure they don't react to provocations by the Islamists or police, and parade marshals to make sure the other protesters don't get involved in the confrontation.

    *This is theoretical only. I am not encouraging anyone to violate the laws of their respective jurisdictions, and I strongly advise speaking with an attorney before engaging in any action which may be considered illegal.

    Also, the BSMD needs a better name/acronym. Seriously-- not just because it sounds like BSDM, but because it is too long and unwieldly. Three letters for the acronym, max-- if longer the acronym should be constructed to form a word.


    fuck you
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #43 - November 03, 2009, 07:45 AM

    It is indeed sad, but in theory* there is a pacifist angle to Tony's suggestion which might please you more-- civil disobedience. Next time Choudary and his crew of Islamist scum march, one could have a few folks peacefully block their path, knowing the police will order them to move, they refuse and get arrested (and it's possible the Islamists might get violent with them). In such a scenario, one would want to alert the media on the DL (in addition to general Press Advisories/Press Releases, some personal calls to reporters explaining specifically what will happen), retain a solicitor/barrister beforehand, arrange for bail money, perhaps even give the cops a heads-up the day of (that can be tricky, depends on the situation), civil disobedience training for those directly participating in the action to make sure they don't react to provocations by the Islamists or police, and parade marshals to make sure the other protesters don't get involved in the confrontation.

    *This is theoretical only. I am not encouraging anyone to violate the laws of their respective jurisdictions, and I strongly advise speaking with an attorney before engaging in any action which may be considered illegal.

    Also, the BSMD needs a better name/acronym. Seriously-- not just because it sounds like BSDM, but because it is too long and unwieldly. Three letters for the acronym, max-- if longer the acronym should be constructed to form a word.


    Great suggestions - I like the idea of peacefully blocking Anjem's path.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #44 - November 03, 2009, 02:22 PM

    This is from Liberal Conspiracy:

    http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/31/pics-vide-from-todays-anti-islamists-demo/

    Anjem Choudhary and his band of publicity-seeking wimps backed out of the demo in Trafalgar Square in the face of up to three counter-demos. Apparently some small alternative-demo was held in Walthamstow but no one has yet confirmed that.

    Good thing the people from British Muslims for Secular Democracy and their friends turned up.

    The English Defence League did not, apparently they were at a demo in Leeds, but the English Democrats did. The latter were generally a nice bunch of people (at least their spokesperson was).

    "The people from English Democrats were adamant they had nothing to do with the English Defence League. One said it was too infiltrated by BNP types for him. The English Democrats said they were quite proud of the anti-Islamists demo and stood by them.

    However, a little distance remained between the two groups."


    _________________________

    I heard some of them say they were not EDL and some confusion over who they were.

    Perhaps this indicates a split in EDL already?

    At least I'm glad to hear that some of them realise they are indeed infiltrated by BNP. (Though that should have been obvious to everyone by now.)


  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #45 - November 03, 2009, 02:41 PM

    Great suggestions - I like the idea of peacefully blocking Anjem's path.


    They are not suggestions-- that would imply I'm encouraging you or others to do what I said, and I was only discussing it as a purely academic matter to illustrate general organizing principles.

    fuck you
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #46 - November 03, 2009, 02:50 PM

     Wink

    Nah, I think we should all go out & beat the shit out of Anjem & his boys

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  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #47 - November 03, 2009, 03:34 PM

     Hassan wrote
    Quote

    I heard some of them say they were not EDL and some confusion over who they were.

    Perhaps this indicates a split in EDL already?

    At least I'm glad to hear that some of them realise they are indeed infiltrated by BNP. (Though that should have been obvious to everyone by now.)


     A couple of EDL guys did speak to the BMSD at their demo.I don't know much about their group other than it is run by former members of UK special forces.These were the guys who were later ambushed in Whitehall by neo-Nazis.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #48 - November 03, 2009, 03:43 PM

    Fab pics! I was there but only had my mobile so my pics are crap. Anyway, I've just done a blog post on it at skepticat.org if anyone's interested.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #49 - November 03, 2009, 05:00 PM

    Hassan wrote
     A couple of EDL guys did speak to the BMSD at their demo.I don't know much about their group other than it is run by former members of UK special forces.These were the guys who were later ambushed in Whitehall by neo-Nazis.


    I spoke to quite a few people and some seemed to be with the EDL crowd - it was difficult to tell at times as there was a lot of mingling even though we did keep our distance from them somewhat. I did chat briefly to one chap cloaked in a flag who seemed a nice guy and very friendly towards us and even offered me his flag to wear for the photo shoot. I thanked him but declined. I'm not the flag wearing sort.  grin12
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #50 - November 03, 2009, 05:01 PM

    Fab pics! I was there but only had my mobile so my pics are crap. Anyway, I've just done a blog post on it at skepticat.org if anyone's interested.


    Excellent - did we meet?  I'm going to check your blog now Smiley
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #51 - November 03, 2009, 05:22 PM

    Fab pics! I was there but only had my mobile so my pics are crap. Anyway, I've just done a blog post on it at skepticat.org if anyone's interested.

    Link please

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  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #52 - November 03, 2009, 05:22 PM

    Link please


    http://skepticat.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/no-sharia-here-then/#more-1018

    (I'm skepticats official link provider  grin12 )
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #53 - November 03, 2009, 06:27 PM



    Thanks, Hassan.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #54 - November 03, 2009, 06:41 PM

    Nice blog skepticat  Afro

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  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #55 - November 03, 2009, 07:04 PM

    I added the bold to highlight the section below:


    A good day for democracy

    Supporters of Islam4UK called off their demonstration, but on Saturday we went ahead, marching to defend secular values
    Shaaz Mahboob

    guardian.co.uk,    Tuesday 3 November 2009 11.00 GMT

    Last week, I wrote on Cif about the pressing need for democrats ? of all faiths and none ? to counter-demonstrate against the radical group Islam4UK on Saturday. Headed by former al-Muhajiroun UK leader Anjem Choudary, the organisation's website frothed about "what Trafalgar Square would look like under sharia" and had originally cited it as the location for their "March for sharia". Our movement was born out of years of collective frustration at the incendiary antics of groups like these, who distort the teachings of Islam for their own political expediency. Moreover, we wanted to stand up for values such as legal and constitutional equality for all, equal rights for women and minorities, and religious freedom, including the right to be free of any faith.

    Today, we can hold our heads in pride. At the 11th hour, we heard that Islam4UK were cancelling their demonstration, rumours that were initially dismissed as the Choudary camp's standard tactical manoeuvring. When it later emerged that Islam4UK had indeed sheepishly withdrawn from their own protest, the official reason doing the rounds was that English Defence League members had made death threats towards Anjem Choudary. What an irony. Al-Muhajiroun have repeatedly praised the 9/11 terrorists as "magnificent" yet they wholly failed to muster up the moral courage to square up to their first challenge from Muslim democrats. They ran scared ? terrified by the prospect of an intellectual duel of conflicting viewpoints, in full view of the media and the public.

    Who knows. Perhaps al-Muhajiroun did receive threats from other far right groups, and were genuinely frightened of the "bigger bully in the playground". The bottom line is this: had al-Muhajiroun dared to march on the streets of London, they would have been outnumbered to the point of toe-curling embarrassment. For since we launched our campaign three weeks ago, we have been inundated from messages of support and interview requests from places as far afield as Sudan and Australia. Our satirical YouTube video ? which made it clear that the offensive demands of groups like Islam4UK are only on the fringe ? has had 10,000 hits in just five days, in its various versions. We have a website: www.seculardemocracy.org, at which we encourage all our friends and supporters to leave their email addresses. We have also had extensive coverage in the blogosphere. For every comment that derides our support for secular democracy and one-law-for-all, there are six voices of encouragement.

    Sadly, we were not joined by the Islamic Society of Britain and Inayat Bunglawala's group, Muslims4UK, who called off their own counter-demonstration. Also, disappointingly, we discovered that Inayat Bunglawala had formally requested that the police set up a separate pen, so that they would not have to stand with pro-democracy and anti-sharia Muslim groups such as us. This sort of sectarianism is incredibly damaging, not only to Muslims, but Britain as a whole.

    Undeterred, British Muslims for Secular Democracy and our supporters went ahead, surrounding the base of Eros with a thriving pro-democracy movement. Piccadilly Circus was teeming with journalists, bloggers, human rights activists, organisations from different shades of the political spectrum, and followers of a wide variety of religious beliefs and none (including Vaclav Havel, the former Czech president).

    We wish to thank all individuals and groups who turned out on the day ? as well as those who were there in spirit ? to proclaim the virtues of liberal democracy. This was a day when everyone set aside their differences and stood shoulder-to-shoulder against the bigots who dream of taking away our freedom and liberty, yet do not see the irony in using exactly these concepts to spread their hate-filled messages.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/nov/03/islam4uk-muhajiroun-islam-secular
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #56 - November 03, 2009, 08:52 PM

    Some comments on Ummah.com about the BMSD demo :

    Quote
    Today, 08:21 PM     
    Russo

      Muslims demo against.....

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Muslims demonstrating against muslims.

    When are we ever going to unite?

    http://www.seculardemocracy.org/video.html 

     

    Quote
    muhammad81
    ......
     
     Re: Muslims demo against.....

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    How can any of these people be true muslims, rejecting the laws set by Allah. Half the men there dont have beards, half the women there arent covered. I wonder if any of them actually practice their deen?? 

     

       
    Quote
    Mikha?eel

     Re: Muslims demo against.....

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I think you mean munafiqeen /sellouts/ apostates. Anyone who prefers the law of kufr of the Law of Allah  cannot be considered to be Muslims. 

     


    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234348

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #57 - November 03, 2009, 10:20 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITq7rLG64Lc
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #58 - November 03, 2009, 11:21 PM

    You look nice Hassan, thanks for showing us the pics, and thank you for representing all of us who couldn't be there!

    best wishes

    The last stand of frej
  • Re: Victory against Extremism
     Reply #59 - November 03, 2009, 11:33 PM

    This sums it up pretty well in the video

    "if they cant even turn up to the protest, what hope do they have of establishing shariah law in the houses of parliament"  Cheesy

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