Are human being that eat meat immoral?

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Are human being that eat meat immoral?
OP - November 06, 2009, 04:29 PM

Following on from VS's regular disapproval of normal people.....I mean meat eaters, what do you reckon?

I reckon, as Q-Dawg points out, it is b/s spewed by Mr 'Vegetarian Soul' (the clue is the name).

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Reply #1 - November 06, 2009, 04:45 PM

I've had a load of debates about this recently with one guy. He wanted me to sign his petition to Stop killing our Animals - Find Another Way!. He wants to stop killing animals for meat and this guy is really dedicated to it. He thinks the meat industry is some sinister evil organisation and compares animal rights to women's rioghts (suffragettes etc) and abhors meat eaters.

I personally think it's a load of crap...

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Reply #2 - November 06, 2009, 04:50 PM

Yeah, they's the right words

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Reply #3 - November 06, 2009, 05:07 PM

Meat is murder...

Delicious, tasty murder.... hmm I'm dying for a steak right now...

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Reply #4 - November 06, 2009, 06:21 PM

Didn't evolve to be top carnivore just for become a veggie. If it's not right to eat animals, being living creatures, then's it's not right to eat carrots either.

Although I am for painless slaughter. Cutting by the jugular vein is the worst way in terms of prolonged brain activity.

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Reply #5 - November 06, 2009, 06:33 PM

Quote from: HighOctane on November 06, 2009, 06:21 PM
Didn't evolve to be top carnivore just for become a veggie. If it's not right to eat animals, being living creatures, then's it's not right to eat carrots either.

Although I am for painless slaughter. Cutting by the jugular vein is the worst way in terms of prolonged brain activity.

Humans are not carnivores
And Jack you didnt really have to start a thread like that
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Reply #6 - November 06, 2009, 06:34 PM

Quote from: VegetarianSoul on November 06, 2009, 06:33 PM
Humans are not carnivores

We are not herbivores either..

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Reply #7 - November 06, 2009, 06:40 PM

Quote from: VegetarianSoul on November 06, 2009, 06:13 PM
Most people who eat meat, would hesitate to kill especially big animals themselves as long as they get their meat from slaughterhouses.

You can't possibly know that, and given that most of the world's population is not located in the Western world, many of whom are used to wringing their own chickens' necks or cutting the throats of their own goats, rather than just going to the supermarket, I think that's a very shaky statement for you to make.

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We humans are disgusted at the sight and smell of blood, non-appetising.

Really, I know plenty of people who've never hunted or slaughtered their own meat but like a nice, juicy, bloody steak.

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But in nature, the strong one has a chance to escape.

Animals still have a chance to escape when being hunted by humans with knifes, bows, or even handguns, rifles or shotguns/slug guns. I know plenty of hunters who'll come back from sitting in a tree stand for a couple of days and nothing to show for it tell me about the deer they "just missed", but they got away. Yes, we have a technological and cognitive advantage over the prey we are hunting, but so what? That doesn't mean we're not predators, nor does it make it wrong. Wolves hunt in packs with fairly sophisticated coordination and hunting tactics-- how is that fair for their prey? How is it fair for the bugs crows eat by fashioning rudimentary tools from twigs?

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Lions are carnivores and ofcourse they dont think like humans, but really they are not hunting down other species to the point of extinction otherwise they will not survive. With human interference in nature, so many species have gone extinct (lions are endangered too)

When hunting for food, for the most part, species are not hunted to extinction anymore. Lions and tigers and such that are poached are typically not hunted primarily for their meat, and while there may be a few examples of endangered species still being hunted for food, this is the exception rather than the rule nowadays.

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Reply #8 - November 06, 2009, 06:42 PM

Quote from: ras111 on November 06, 2009, 06:33 PM
Yes, so lions will hunt the weaker ones because they have a less chance of escaping... They don't hunt species to the point of exctinction simply because this is practically impossible, for many reasons. This whole 'nobility of the chase thing' is just bollocks.

If you are against overhunting and fishing, then I agree with you. I simply do not see what this has to do with eating pork or beef or chicken, which come from domestic animals that are not in danger of exctinction.

Global warming. Overexploited natural resources. Deforestation. Wasted land. Water and air pollution. The most serious environmental problems of our time are all directly linked to eating meat.
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Reply #9 - November 06, 2009, 06:46 PM

Quote from: VegetarianSoul on November 06, 2009, 06:42 PM
Global warming. Overexploited natural resources. Deforestation. Wasted land. Water and air pollution. The most serious environmental problems of our time are all directly linked to eating meat.

Funny how it has come up only now... People have been eating meat throughout history. LOL. Are you even serious mate?...

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Reply #10 - November 06, 2009, 06:48 PM

Many of those problems are linked to agriculture and the raising of crops more than meat consumption by the way... And its not just agriculture... Do your research well next time...

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Reply #11 - November 06, 2009, 06:51 PM

3rd option is the best option. We are omnivores, meaning we can eat both meat and veggies. So take your pick, enjoy what you eat, and shut the fuck up.

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Reply #12 - November 06, 2009, 06:57 PM

Quote from: ras111 on November 06, 2009, 06:48 PM
Many of those problems are linked to agriculture and the raising of crops more than meat consumption by the way... And its not just agriculture... Do your research well next time...

Yes, but, and I hate to make VS's points for him/her, a lot of that agriculture that is fucking things up is due to inefficient use of grains and farmland to meet the West's demand for meat. As an American, I'll freely admit we eat way too much meat as a society (myself included), and that it is driving inefficient use of grains (causing shortages) and deforestation for grazing land. Of course, that's one of the reasons I believe in some principles of a socialist economy-- simply relying on supply and demand can lead to some pretty destructive externalities.

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Reply #13 - November 06, 2009, 07:18 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on November 06, 2009, 06:57 PM
Yes, but, and I hate to make VS's points for him/her, a lot of that agriculture that is fucking things up is due to inefficient use of grains and farmland to meet the West's demand for meat. As an American, I'll freely admit we eat way too much meat as a society (myself included), and that it is driving inefficient use of grains (causing shortages) and deforestation for grazing land. Of course, that's one of the reasons I believe in some principles of a socialist economy-- simply relying on supply and demand can lead to some pretty destructive externalities.

Fair enough.. I am not that familiar with your diet over there.. So you are saying that in the US, more land is used to feed animals then to feed humans... Of course, lets not forget that animals are not just reared for food...

With that respect one could also argue that rather than using land to feed animals, it is really the growing human population that is driving this.

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Reply #14 - November 06, 2009, 07:58 PM

Quote from: VegetarianSoul on November 06, 2009, 06:33 PM
Humans are not carnivores
And Jack you didnt really have to start a thread like that

Saves you hijacking hello threads. Get it out of your system lad! Again.

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Reply #15 - November 06, 2009, 08:36 PM

Quote from: VegetarianSoul on November 06, 2009, 06:42 PM
Global warming. Overexploited natural resources. Deforestation. Wasted land. Water and air pollution. The most serious environmental problems of our time are all directly linked to eating meat.

Hmm not sure I agree with this. Stabalisation wedge options do not include "let's become vegetarian" wedge.

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