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  • Question: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned. Do you agree?
  • Yes. - 64 (79%)
  • No. - 17 (21%)
  • Total Voters: 80

 Topic: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.

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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #120 - November 24, 2009, 07:22 PM

    Sounds painful wacko


    Don't tell me, heterosexuals don't generally use their teeth to stimulate the other person's nipples or ear lobes.  parrot
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #121 - November 24, 2009, 07:27 PM

    Biting nipples and ear lobes is fine but foreskin? Wont that hurt? Maybe I should give it a go...
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #122 - November 24, 2009, 07:54 PM

    Well, that certainly beats the hell out of ninurta's example of chopping off someone's hand, but it's still much different because--

    (1) It hasn't been long-established as a widespread cultural norm

    (2) Due to (1) above, a person without earlobes (especially a child) would be subject to ridicule from other people, whereas a person with a circumcised cock would not. Indeed, in certain countries (even in this country during the mid to late 20th century) it would be the reverse-- someone with an uncircumcised johnson would be more likely to suffer negative social consequences than one without

    So if I were living in a country where safely and hygenically lopping off children's earlobes was a widespread and long-established cultural norm and religious practice, then no, I would not support a government ban on the practice. Again, it's a much better example than chopping off people's hands and shit. I really don't think it's too big a deal, but I could still be convinced-- you are making some strong arguments in favor of a ban. However, given that I think the state already bans enough shit, I'm gonna be disinclined against most proposals/arguments that begin "The government should ban..."

    My point was more aimed at the fact that you could survive without a hand, and it would make somethings not so great as they would otherwise be, I couldn't think of anything else so I just chose that. Didn't think of the earlobes but we can go with that for now.


    Hmmm, your friend, he likes to talk about his dick doesn't he? Handy for your argument. You've wasted an awful lot of words on this, I think you've made your point and you've swayed me. I'm so outraged at the blatant child abuse, that later today I will pay a visit to my elderly mother (Dad's gone to heaven, like a Nazi war criminal to South America) and  will circumcise her face.

    Q - you must have come across a band called the Four Skins?


    I get that i didn't convince anyone with the "it gets dry", and no thats not what we talked about. I asked him a question about circumcision because it was relavent to this thread and wanted to confirm something someone asked. BTW, when it gets dry, it loses sensitivity, and that's how it doesn't feel good.




    Well there needs to be a public debate about this in the House of Commons and invite cemb as guest speakers. Who's ready 2 rumble?

    I will get a public debate going in the Senate, but i am not british so I dont think my voice would count there.

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #123 - November 25, 2009, 03:31 AM

    So if I were living in a country where safely and hygenically lopping off children's earlobes was a widespread and long-established cultural norm and religious practice, then no, I would not support a government ban on the practice.

    If you really can't see anything wrong with that statement, I don't think I can convince you.

    If anyone has been swayed, you can change your vote - I've made the poll flexible.

    Banning it wont work, you'll just push the movement underground and the situation will be much worse then it is currently for FGM.

    The same could be said of any crime.
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #124 - November 25, 2009, 12:44 PM

    Stimulating the inside of the foreskin feels different than stimulating the head. It adds another dimension to the pleasure you have during sex play, just like stimulating your anus and prostate adds additional dimensions.

    That's a difference in direct sexual pleasure. But there is also a difference in playfulness. Having a foreskin, you have much more to play with (either when masturbating yourself or when acting on another person's dick): There is a certain aesthetic in watching the foreskin gliding back and forth over the head. When giving a blow-job, you have much more to play with, you can suck at the foreskin or grab it with your teeth. You can slide your tongue inside the foreskin, asf.

    Then, for gay guys, there is this thing called "cock docking". I think you can imagine how this works...  Wink


    You sick fuck. No one listen to NineBerry-- he comes from a country that popularized coprophagic porn. Also, I'm pretty sure him being German and all that his defense of the foreskin is motivated by anti-Semitism.

    fuck you
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #125 - November 25, 2009, 01:59 PM

    Give it up, Q-Man, you know that resistance is futile.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqSqO438DXs
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #126 - November 25, 2009, 05:01 PM

    Whatever Dieter-- you perverted techno-listenin German

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9p5ey_sprockets-germanys-most-disturbing_shortfilms

    P.S.-- The guy in the "trouser gallery" video wearing the lederhosen-- his face is really familiar, I'm certain I've seen him somewhere else, probably on TV, but maybe in a movie. I'll give a free foreskin to anyone who can figure out who it is.

    fuck you
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #127 - November 25, 2009, 05:41 PM

    Back on topic?

  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #128 - November 25, 2009, 05:52 PM

    P.S.-- The guy in the "trouser gallery" video wearing the lederhosen-- his face is really familiar, I'm certain I've seen him somewhere else, probably on TV, but maybe in a movie. I'll give a free foreskin to anyone who can figure out who it is.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_O%27Brien !
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #129 - November 25, 2009, 05:54 PM

    P.S.-- The guy in the "trouser gallery" video wearing the lederhosen-- his face is really familiar, I'm certain I've seen him somewhere else, probably on TV, but maybe in a movie. I'll give a free foreskin to anyone who can figure out who it is.

     Cheesy

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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #130 - November 25, 2009, 06:11 PM



    Ain't Conan.

    fuck you
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #131 - November 25, 2009, 06:13 PM

    No? But he looks like the guy and he participated in that programme.
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #132 - November 25, 2009, 07:52 PM

    Back on topic?

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Where did you come up with looking for that? Cheesy

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #133 - November 28, 2009, 12:15 PM

    It may already be illegal....

    Quote
    Dr David Shaw, lecturer in ethics at Glasgow University, argues that circumcising boys for no medical reason is unethical.

    He wrote in the journal Clinical Ethics that any doctor who does perform circumcision without a medical reason could be guilty of negligence and in breach of the Human Rights Act as the child cannot consent to the operation and it can be argued it is not in their best interests.
     
    Dr Shaw wrote: "Imagine a situation where two adherents of a minority religion ask their doctor to pull off their son?s thumbnails, as this is part of the religion in which they want to bring up their son.

    "The pain will be transient, and the nails will grow back, but the parents claim that it is an important rite of passage. I think it is reasonable to say that the doctor would send them packing.

    "In the case of non-therapeutic circumcision, the foreskin will not grow back; why should this procedure be treated differently simply because of the weight of religious tradition?"

    The controversial view is likely to cause a storm among Jewish populations who routinely circumcise boys when infants.

    He said guidance to the medical profession on the issue from the General Medical Council and the British Medical Association are flawed and should be revised.

    He added that the only medical reason for circumsing men is that there is some evidence it may prevent HIV in countries where cases are very high but that will not be relevant for doctors working in Britain.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/rebecca-smith/6662199/Circumcising-boys-for-religious-reasons-could-breach-Human-Rights-Act.html

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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #134 - June 26, 2012, 04:22 AM

    Children are property of their parents until they've become adults.

    What rights? If abuse means discipline by whupping their ass then I am for it. See http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4555.0

    If a parent wants to circumcise their male infant in accordance to their religious or cultural tradition, or misnotions of possible health benefits, then I see no problem with it.

    I don't care that this is three years old.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7mFU7ZCIE

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #135 - December 03, 2012, 01:44 PM

    I didn't read through the thread, only the OP, but I'll say out of all the rituals that are performed in the name of religion, circumcision is by far the most useful and prudent. Circumcision reduces the risk of infecting HIV, cancer, all different types of skin infections and other diseases. And this is fact. With these huge benefits at stake one can't even understand the rage people get into over this. I've always suspected those that are opposed to it are just turned off by its religious connotations, coz I really don't see any other rational reason for opposing it (well besides not having the mere ability to "choose" for oneself).

    Did I mention an uncircumcised dick looks freaking disgusting?  vomit

    And it feels better too  whistling2

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #136 - December 03, 2012, 01:57 PM

    Quote
    Circumcision reduces the risk of infecting HIV, cancer, all different types of skin infections and other diseases. And this is fact.


    No, it isn't

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=21313.msg617404#msg617404

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=19057.msg542261#msg542261



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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #137 - December 03, 2012, 02:16 PM

    Quote
    Did I mention an uncircumcised dick looks freaking disgusting?

     



    Not really, a matter of personal choices, acquired taste, rare, medium, charcoal.


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    Yumm

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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #138 - December 03, 2012, 02:19 PM

    @billy

    Do you really want me to throw back at you a wall of links from scientific journals and articles stating the contrary?

    The evidence is there and its quite clear. I guess its only up to individuals to decide the truth for themselves.

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #139 - December 03, 2012, 02:23 PM


    You're free to do as you please - but saying its the truth doesn't make it the truth.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #140 - December 03, 2012, 02:35 PM

    Did I mention an uncircumcised dick looks freaking disgusting?  vomit
    And it feels better too  whistling2

    hipsterrunoff is riot... indeed it feels better.. may be cutting whole thing off and stitching glass dick will look better than even circumcised dick.. Cut the damn thing off hipsterrunoff., Or get a girl friend like Lorena Bobbitt

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XnuPOk144c

    She will chop ot off for you.. My advice is you should  Close your eyes when she is doing that..


    Do you really want me to throw back at you a wall of links from scientific journals and articles stating the contrary?

    The evidence is there and its quite clear. I guess its only up to individuals to decide the truth for themselves.

     That is true You are indeed a riot hipsterrunoff .. yes good to have links....  Are those link from juice?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx_ov2NiNo4

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #141 - December 03, 2012, 04:44 PM

    Im all for people having the right to get circumcised when they are at the age of consent. Chopping off a part of a baby is wrong and it just has become culturally accepted because it is a an ancient Jewish and Muslim tradition that huge populations of the world follow. Im glad there is a backlash against it because it shows that as a society we are trying to move on from superstitious practices.

    At first I used to think maybe it was helpful in cultures that didnt have much access to water and were unable to keep themselves clean on a daily basis but if you are able to drink water every day its pretty easy to pull back the skin and clean your knob FFS. The apologist in me used to make this excuse to justify circumcision. So glad I didnt get it chopped when I converted to Islam. I used to even say it was fard for new borns but not fard for converts (the Imaam at the local mosque also supported me on this).

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  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #142 - December 03, 2012, 05:13 PM

    I still have an instinctive ew reaction to the thought of an uncircumcised cock vomit but I have an even stronger ow reaction to the thought of circumcising baby boys Cry  I have no problem with adult men who opt to get circumcised doing so but I don't think anyone should be allowed to chop off bits of babies' genitalia for the heck of it aka cultural/religious BS. 

    However, I don't favour a ban because I don't think it'd be practical or enforceable. IMHO, if circumcision is banned it'll just leave sanitary hospital conditions and enter the back-alley; I predict we'll see a lot of botched, unsanitary kitchen-knife circumcisions happening amongst Muslims (and Jews too I'd imagine) who won't discard the practice because it's just that entrenched of a tradition, and religion is involved. 
  • Re: Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #143 - December 03, 2012, 05:24 PM

    .............kitchen-knife circumcisions .................

    Yap., that is the way to go., Well hat is freedom.,  any girl or guy who can Vote  can take their  kitchen-knife  and .. you know.. carry on whatever they like to cut..  It is their knife and their piece of meat they can cut whatever they like and also control the length of the piece of they want to cut..

    Let me read this book I just started   "The Circumcision_ from the earliest times to Present " By Peter Charles Remondino .. He was an MD and he wrote that book in 1900..   Good to learn something from history..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #144 - February 07, 2013, 11:52 PM



    I was at debate meeting tonight about male circumcision. There was a panel of five speaking for and against circumcision, one of them the rabbi of the Copenhagen synagogue (for of course) another a 31 years old Jewish male (very much against). Also a doctor who, with photos, graphs and statistics brought forward, to me at least and most of the audience, very convincing arguments for being against, among other things the loss of all the thousands of nerve endings in the foreskin, the fact, that the foreskin keeps the glans moist and smooth as opposed to the exposed glans, which with time after rubbing against underwear will become dry and rough surfaced and become less sensitive.

    In the subsequent question time a young man of Iraqi background got up and among other things brought up the argument one has heard before, that they lasted longer, which he considered an advantage. Later another man, Jewish, got up and asked the Iraqi how old he was, 24 was the answer. Well I am 44 the Jewish one said and I can tell you, that at my age you last longer than you want to.

    When I have heard the argument before I have translated it to harder to achieve orgasm. This difficulty may necessitate working harder at it, which may not be pleasant to the partner.

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  • Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #145 - February 07, 2013, 11:58 PM

    ^  Interesting argument.

    And welcome back, Paloma.  Smiley

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  • Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #146 - February 08, 2013, 12:03 AM

    I'm not sure it's a useful argument. Since a lot of both circumcised and non-circumcised men, and their partners, seem to enjoy sex, I think you'll have a hard time getting any traction with arguments that rely on subjective assessments of enjoyment.

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  • Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #147 - February 08, 2013, 12:16 AM

    The soundest argument I can see is that of informed consent.  Whatever the arguments for or against on the grounds of health, religious freedom, etc, none of them provide arguments for circimcision at infancy.  What's wrong with waiting until the boy is over the age of consent and old enough to make decisions about his own foreskin?

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  • Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #148 - February 08, 2013, 12:28 AM

    Babies can't remember the trauma of things that early in their life.

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Medically unnecessary, non-consensual circumcisions should be banned.
     Reply #149 - February 08, 2013, 12:32 AM

    Cool. So it's ok to torture babies then. Hand me the red-hot pliers. Smiley

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