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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #180 - November 20, 2009, 11:16 PM

    Sadly Safiya you are right on the money with Kim. This is all part of the new ''drama'' that she is wriiting for herself.


    LOL, you people can't get enough that drama it seems..

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #181 - November 20, 2009, 11:18 PM

    to ExKimDonesia

    i have a advice for you, i have a daughter same age as you are, i never talk to her about religion because i believe it is not right age to talk about religion to her, because in her age she only thing need to do is study in school .

    kim

    first of all you shouldn't be converting to islam secound you shouldn't be deconverting, now shouldn't be atheist because you are too young for that.

    believing and not believing in god is a emotianal thing you are not ready for this roller coaster.

    atheism is not a happy ending


    kope

    i couldn't resist


    Thus spoke the greatest sage of modern times! Wink

    Good to see you kope - hope you are keeping well Smiley
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #182 - November 20, 2009, 11:26 PM

    atheism is not a happy ending


    Do we choose things because of happy endings?

    Perhaps we do because we all like happy endings don't we?

    But do you still choose happy endings full knowing it's not the Truth?

    Does Truth not have any value in your scheme of things?










    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #183 - November 20, 2009, 11:36 PM

    But how was she rude to others? Just leaving Islam or even criticizing it doesn't count as rudeness.


    No leaving it doesn't at all and I agree criticism itself, done appropriately, is not rudeness. It's part of free speech and simply reflects that we are all different.

    It's when ''literally'' one week you are loudly telling everyone about the joys of Islam, how correct it is and how we should be practising it (that's right, doing dawah), then the following week you are joining youtube channels like ''Islam will pay 4 every crime committed against civilization''.

    Also the fact that she left her youtube channel open for completely un-moderated comments so that it would descend into absolute filth...is that not a disrespect in itself? Kim actually invited it: she actively gave everyone permission to comment (in her video), she allowed them to by not putting any restrictions on it, and then despite people who genuinely cared about her, giving her advice to  moderate the comments, she chose to leave those comments there all day.. for the world to see. Why do you think she did that? To show the true colours of Muslims? Are the true colours of Muslims shown by a couple of disgusting comments being made by a person who has chosen a Muslim sounding account name?

    Furthermore, when you've spent your whole short life as a Muslim pushing yourself into the spotlight and then done such a bizarre/quick about face in your beliefs, then wouldn't you expect a few angry people and therefore adjust your behaviour online accordingly so that it does not create so many arguments?
     
    The role she is playing is ''I just want to leave Islam quietly and I don't want to run it down but people aren't letting me do that"... but everywhere you look the evidence is suggesting otherwise. Even joining this site and registering with the name "Kimdonesia!! Did it ever occur to her that she might just choose a different name, go anon, and maybe learn something and really grow from this experience instead of using it as just another opportunity for more people to know who she is?
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #184 - November 20, 2009, 11:37 PM

    Rubaiyat,

    Kope is a well known, and dare I say legendary, troll of COEM forum. Don't pay attention to him. He's only around for entertainment value.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #185 - November 20, 2009, 11:40 PM

    Kope is a well known, and dare I say legendary, troll of COEM forum. Don't pay attention to him. He's only around for entertainment value.
    -----

    Cheers. But don't worry I am the Biggest Billy Goat Gruff and well trained with Trolls ;-)

    Challenge All Ideologies but don't Hate People.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #186 - November 20, 2009, 11:46 PM

    Kope's sock duplicate account has just been banned.  grin12

    Sunny, I think you are overreacting a little. She has, from what I understand, been in the habit of allowing comments on videos so I suppose she just continued that habit. She isn't responsible for any of the comments, and if she has had enough of getting threats and insults I think closing the channel is her prerogative. I think we are all aware that the threats and insults were not coming from all Muslims.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #187 - November 20, 2009, 11:49 PM


    It's when ''literally'' one week you are loudly telling everyone about the joys of Islam, how correct it is and how we should be practising it (that's right, doing dawah), then the following week you are joining youtube channels like ''Islam will pay 4 every crime committed against civilization''.


    Many of us here gave dawa'h when we were Muslim. It's called being indoctrinated.

    What Kim did is no different than what many of us ex-Muslims have done. When most of us left, we encountered a lot of pissed off Muslims. Only difference is that Kim was more well known than the average Murtad.

    Also the fact that she left her youtube channel open for completely un-moderated comments so that it would descend into absolute filth...is that not a disrespect in itself? Kim actually invited it: she actively gave everyone permission to comment (in her video), she allowed them to by not putting any restrictions on it, and then despite people who genuinely cared about her, giving her advice to  moderate the comments, she chose to leave those comments there all day.. for the world to see. Why do you think she did that? To show the true colours of Muslims? Are the true colours of Muslims shown by a couple of disgusting comments being made by a person who has chosen a Muslim sounding account name?


    Maybe she doesn't believe in censorship--ever think of that Jack?

    I have a youtube channel--youtube.com/rationalpeace

    Go there, you'll find that I too don't censor any comments. Weather Muslims leave nasty comments or not, is up to them. Don't start saying we are inviting hateful comments by not censoring them. We invite all comments.

    Furthermore, when you've spent your whole short life as a Muslim pushing yourself into the spotlight and then done such a bizarre/quick about face in your beliefs, then wouldn't you expect a few angry people and therefore adjust your behaviour online accordingly so that it does not create so many arguments?


    In other words bend over backwards for twats just because they get their feelings hurt? The answer is no.


    The role she is playing is ''I just want to leave Islam quietly and I don't want to run it down but people aren't letting me do that"... but everywhere you look the evidence is suggesting otherwise. Even joining this site and registering with the name "Kimdonesia!! Did it ever occur to her that she might just choose a different name, go anon, and maybe learn something and really grow from this experience instead of using it as just another opportunity for more people to know who she is?


    People can use any name they want to go by here. I support that she went with her actual name that everyone knew her by. It shows me, that she's not trying to fake anything.


    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #188 - November 20, 2009, 11:49 PM

    Kope's sock duplicate account has just been banned.  grin12


    Why?

    He may have forgotten the password to his old account - it happens a lot.

    As for his trolling - yes he is definitely a troll but frankly I have softened my attitude to him and think there's no harm in his ramblings - in fact they can be quite funny at times.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #189 - November 20, 2009, 11:53 PM

    Kope's sock duplicate account has just been banned.  grin12


    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  sad

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #190 - November 20, 2009, 11:56 PM

    good riddance - he was only to here to wind us up anyway, not for any genuine discussions about Islam

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #191 - November 20, 2009, 11:58 PM

    it's interesting to me how callously the Muslims who are being welcomed here respond to the death threats.  Just one death threat shakes you - imagine dozens of them, on top of being called an agent of zionism and a cock sucking whore and things like that. 


    I agree with you wholeheartedly that death threats would really shake you. I think that it was not only disgusting, but also crazy.

    My issue is that I personally was one of the people who contacted her and said to her that she doesn't have to put up with it - she can stop the comments. But she didn't want to. She wanted to leave them there and have those comments on her youtube account.

    Same with the ''filthy'' comment that you also mentioned. She wanted to leave those there.

    So if I seem uncompassionate, it's not at all that I suggest that people making those threats are quite within their rights - omg I don't think that AT ALL!! I just think that if people are sincere then they don't egg people on.

    For example, upon leaving Islam a person is quite within their rights to think and argue whatever they like...but a smarter way to do that if you are well known for any reason, might be to do it in a less public way. If you know something is going to create trouble, not only with Muslims...but Muslims, christians, athiests as well, all fighting (and often not the best of those groups either)...well, why would you fuel that? Why would you want to fuel a fire between all those people?

    Personally, while I like to have an opinion (in particular on issues such as the above, where I have personal knowledge) I don't actively throw fuel onto a fire just to see what happens, just to stir things up. Fighting like that doesn't lead anywhere. Genuine discussions on religion need a better forum than that to be heard. I think that genuine discussions are good in that they can bring about understanding between people with differences, even if they don't always cause people to convert, lol.

    But, speaking freely and discussing religion is totally different what was allowed on youtube. That was just a free for all with the end result that a young, immature person out for fame, can now use that experience to bolster her new story.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #192 - November 21, 2009, 12:04 AM

    Some good observations Sunny.

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #193 - November 21, 2009, 12:09 AM

    I agree with you wholeheartedly that death threats would really shake you. I think that it was not only disgusting, but also crazy.

    Its not crazy, it says so in the quran in the hadith.  The people who write such comments are better muslims, but perhaps not better people, than you.

    Quote
    My issue is that I personally was one of the people who contacted her and said to her that she doesn't have to put up with it - she can stop the comments. But she didn't want to. She wanted to leave them there and have those comments on her youtube account.

    Same with the ''filthy'' comment that you also mentioned. She wanted to leave those there.

    I allows all comments too on youtube, otherwise I would be rightfully accused of censoring my channel.  In any case you should not be blaming her for not deleting the comments, you should be focusing on those that wrote the comments in the first place (ad I bet you havent)


    For example, upon leaving Islam a person is quite within their rights to think and argue whatever they like...but a smarter way to do that if you are well known for any reason, might be to do it in a less public way. If you know something is going to create trouble, not only with Muslims...but Muslims, christians, athiests as well, all fighting (and often not the best of those groups either)...well, why would you fuel that? Why would you want to fuel a fire between all those people?

    From what I saw of her video, she dint go on about Muhammed being a paedophile or murderer on anything like that - she was explaining to people why she had been out of the picture for a while.

    And why should she not communicate the way she has always done, unless you believe she has something she should hide?

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #194 - November 21, 2009, 12:10 AM

    Why?

    He may have forgotten the password to his old account - it happens a lot.

    There is a "Forgot your password?" link on the login screen and he can always contact the admins by email. Wink

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #195 - November 21, 2009, 12:12 AM

    Sunny, I see what you are saying but she was used to being on YouTube. She says she made the vid to inform people who had been asking her questions, so it doesn't seem like a deliberately inflammatory move.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #196 - November 21, 2009, 12:21 AM

    Many of us here gave dawa'h when we were Muslim. It's called being indoctrinated.

    Maybe she doesn't believe in censorship--ever think of that Jack?

    I have a youtube channel--youtube.com/rationalpeace

    Go there, you'll find that I too don't censor any comments. Weather Muslims leave nasty comments or not, is up to them. Don't start saying we are inviting hateful comments by not censoring them. We invite all comments.

    In other words bend over backwards for twats just because they get their feelings hurt? The answer is no.

    People can use any name they want to go by here. I support that she went with her actual name that everyone knew her by. It shows me, that she's not trying to fake anything.




    I understand that dawah is part of the faith, my point is that it was almost yesterday that she was doing this...giving no clue to what she was really feeling..that's all. So it's quite shocking for those that know her, and those who've been ''cut off'' while she claims that they have ''deserted her''.

    Yes she does believe in free speech and that is probably the reason that she gives for allowing pornographic filth and threats of violence to remain on her youtube channel all day before she finally fixes it by deleting the channel and crying about how victimised she has been. As an example, my view is that if a Muslim doesn't want to be targeted by scary anti-islamists then they would take steps to stop that from occuring...i don't for a moment suggest that any comments sent by an anti-islamist to a muslim are valid or ok if they arent'...I just think that a smart person doesn't actively invite things which are wrong into their life.

    It doesn't matter what side of the religious fence you are on, it just makes sense to me that one would protect themselves and others online. If you invite all commments then you are inviting the horrid ones as well as the peaceful ones. That is not what I think should be in an ideal world, I'm just relaying what I see to be a sad fact and reflection of what ''life'' online is like. I always prefer not to ''create'' arguments just for the fun of it because arguments often leave bitterness, and what goes on in many comments sections online is simply that...creation of bitterness, hate and misunderstanding. Genuine discussion is different.

    Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on this one (Jack)?

    Also I'll add that regarding the name thing and her choosing to take any publicity that she can, it's different since I know her. Of course she can choose to be in the public eye, we all can and do make our decisions about it...I just see that it's not all sincere, that's all, and I wouldn't mention it if I didn't feel strongly that I know.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #197 - November 21, 2009, 12:29 AM


    But, speaking freely and discussing religion is totally different what was allowed on youtube. That was just a free for all with the end result that a young, immature person out for fame, can now use that experience to bolster her new story.


    So if she is that way, why are her actions bothering you?  I am quite sure that if your description fits her and you knew her, you would have realised what she was when she converted to Islam and not taken her seriously in the first place.

    In your shoes, I would have simply said 'good riddance' and let her be.  After all that video contained nothing nasty against Islam or Muslims.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #198 - November 21, 2009, 12:34 AM


    Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on this one (Jack)?





    I thought I was agreeing to agree Smiley

    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #199 - November 21, 2009, 12:36 AM

    @ islame...I can see that I could get stuck her all day arguing various points and it won't be helpful...so I'm going to go soon.

    I'm not going to get dragged into an ''it says in the Quran'' argument because we all know that we won't get anywhere and that few genuine Muslims would consider taking those parts of Quran out of context. I agree that those who commented with death threats were not good people. I would also say that they were not good Muslims.

    I disagree with you about the commenting on the channel. We are all grown people. We should know the difference between right and wrong and be able to help others to know this. Allowing a free for all is not helpful. It's not doing anything to create a pleasant dialogue. It's there only for shock value and to create attention. If we were really concerned about people then we would facilitate others in doing their best and adjusting their behaviour to make it more positive.

    If you feel that having unmoderated comments where every angry or crazy person can say whatever they please is helping others in a positive way then I would have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying you can't do what you're doing regarding comments, I'm just saying that I don't agree with it and don't feel it that it serves any good purpose.

    Finally, I had no issue with the video itself.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #200 - November 21, 2009, 12:38 AM


    I thought I was agreeing to agree Smiley


    yes you were thank you. lol

    When I said ''jack'' I was referring to Tommy, who appeared to be calling me jack in his reply to me! But maybe I was getting confused...maybe he was replying to the both of us in the one go.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #201 - November 21, 2009, 12:41 AM

    Sunny, I see what you are saying but she was used to being on YouTube. She says she made the vid to inform people who had been asking her questions, so it doesn't seem like a deliberately inflammatory move.


    Yes, I've not actually said anything in relation to the video itself. My issue is not with the video, it's with all the comments on the video and the things that she is writing and saying elsewhere...for example on here.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #202 - November 21, 2009, 12:43 AM

    I must admit I haven't been following what is going on elsewhere. I had never heard of Kim until yesterday.

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #203 - November 21, 2009, 12:49 AM

    So if she is that way, why are her actions bothering you?  I am quite sure that if your description fits her and you knew her, you would have realised what she was when she converted to Islam and not taken her seriously in the first place.

    In your shoes, I would have simply said 'good riddance' and let her be.  After all that video contained nothing nasty against Islam or Muslims.


    Nice guess but, no we didn't necessarily see this coming because she covered it extremely well. I think that you already know the answer to why her actions bother me. If a person says things that are not true then it does make one want to respond and refute those claims.

    Please note that I'm not talking here about her views on religion. I understand well and actually find it quite easy to deal with differences in religious opinion. I don't feel a great need to refute her religious beliefs or hate her for leaving her religion or anything like that. The world is big enough to allow for those differences and I personally have no need to sit around argueing over religious points, whether they are fact or not.

    I have stated my issues already so maybe you could go back to my earlier post so I don't have to re-write things. Again, no the video did not contain anything that she doesn't have the right to say.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #204 - November 21, 2009, 01:22 AM

    I must admit I haven't been following what is going on elsewhere. I had never heard of Kim until yesterday.


    +1

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #205 - November 21, 2009, 01:33 AM

    Hey Kim, is that you in the avatar? I like the pink heart.


    It surely is me. Smiley

    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #206 - November 21, 2009, 01:36 AM

    I have always thought that istinja is a good thing, with or without islam. It certainly beats skid marks! What does annoy me though is when muslims claim it to be something exclusive, as though it's something they have invented. I'm aware that istinja is practiced throughout India and Pakistan, regardless of religion. The problem is the image that people who do istinja have of the westerners who just use toilet paper. I have heard it so many times amongst muslim circles, that the kuffar are dirty because they don't wipe their backsides properly.


    I actually introduced istinja to my non-Muslim mother, and she has been using water after using the toilet ever since. Regardless of being a Muslim or not, I too practise it as it cleans rather than simply wipes.

    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #207 - November 21, 2009, 01:39 AM

    Use whisky. It's a good disinfectant. Wink

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #208 - November 21, 2009, 01:42 AM

    Good point, people can practice whatever custom they see fit or healthy and usefull from any culture or religion... That is healthy. I don't mind after renouncing all religions to use one or two good practices that comes from budahism or Islam or any other religion. The idea of needing a religion itself, as my user name implies, is the bull sh*it. Can't I be a good loving person without worshiping some invisible idol?

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #209 - November 21, 2009, 01:43 AM

    Use whisky. It's a good disinfectant. Wink


    soap is as good and cheaper!

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