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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #240 - November 21, 2009, 04:31 AM
    Quote from: Sunny on November 21, 2009, 04:24 AM

    I guess that if I lived in a muslim majority country I would meet more Muslims and more muslim nut jobs.


    Not necessarily. I've lived in SF for a long time and I knew few places full of South Asian Muslims where the majority belonged to the Salafi lifestyle. I'm sure you know what kinda views that led to--given SF is most known for their liberal ways of life.

    If I hang around outside the hospital I will probably see more sick people too.

    Quote from: Sunny on November 21, 2009, 04:24 AM
    I didn't really understand what you meant by the last sentence ''So while I do agree with you that internet can bring you in contact with many nutjobs, I wouldn't necessarily say that it brings you more considering every contexts.'' though.


    What I said above should explain it.

    Quote from: Sunny on November 21, 2009, 04:24 AM
    They really think they have the right to ram it down your throat. Well, I don't want that. I don't want that from any religion or non-religion.


    Thats the dirty side of human behavoir. Belief or non-belief, humans tend to usually do that. I distance myself from those kinda atheists. Which is why, we are here instead of FFI.

    However it should be noted though, Muslims, and hardcore Christians usually justify their throat shoving by their holy books.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #241 - November 21, 2009, 04:32 AM
    Safiya you sound hot. Are you hot Safiya?
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #242 - November 21, 2009, 04:39 AM
    No one Safiya. Now answer my question.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #243 - November 21, 2009, 04:40 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 21, 2009, 04:20 AM
    We don't slander those who decides to believe in god. Nor do we attempt to bring up their past and shove it in their face. Something which I believe you'll find all the Muslims who recently joined, came to do to Kim. If thats not the case, why are you guys here Saleem?


    Ah, Tommy - the past Kim talks of is actually the present. It's just that she is so young that she thinks in terms of days and weeks instead of months and years. We are talking of current events.

    Kimdonesia should listen to this too, because I'm here to suggest that she gets of the fame merry-go-round. Not every little detail of her life must be made public in order to capture more attention for herself. I'm also here to say that if she announces she still respects Muslims then she actually needs to follow through with that if it was sincere in the first place.

    Also, if she wants to talk about how her Muslim friends deserted her she'd better not do it in the public arena where those friends she is talking of can read it because they may well feel hurt and wonder why she feels the need to say such lies. They may also try to refute the claim, because nobody likes to see complete lies written so blazenly. In this particular case it's not a matter of opinion that we can't agree on, for example as is the case with all our arguments over religion - there will always be disagreements. It's quite simple: did all your Muslim friends abandon you after you told them? NO.

    In which case, how does she think that they will feel about the things she has been writing and saying now about Islam (which she embraced and pushed until last week), and how do you think they would feel about her allowing disgusting filth to be written and left on her youtube account by idiots? Because remember she talked about her Muslim ''friends'' and I'm sorry to say this, but it's a two way street Kim.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #244 - November 21, 2009, 04:48 AM
    Okay Sunny, you have given us your suggestion, but now I must ask, whats the point of you guys sticking around still?
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #245 - November 21, 2009, 04:52 AM
    They're allowed to stick around if they want to. They aren't required to give reasons.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #246 - November 21, 2009, 04:53 AM
    Just asking out of curiosity.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #247 - November 21, 2009, 04:54 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 21, 2009, 04:31 AM

    Thats the dirty side of human behavoir. Belief or non-belief, humans tend to usually do that. I distance myself from those kinda atheists. Which is why, we are here instead of FFI.

    However it should be noted though, Muslims, and hardcore Christians usually justify their throat shoving by their holy books.


    Maybe you also are spending too much time on the internet Tommy. You see I have rarely had a person from any religion try to do that...in fact I don't think I've ever had a ''holy book'' pushed at me in that way...only athiests (without the book lol). But I'm not suggesting they don't. I'm sure there are plenty out there...but I find it best to try and stay away from them.

    I note that you have a very horrid way of arguing with people and I think that when you find the need to say the kind of things you did to Safiya, in order to upset people, that it is in fact that "dirty side of human behavoir. Belief or non-belief, humans tend to usually do that.'' which you yourself mentioned (albeit in relation to certain athiests).

    You are right about that and it's not based on whether people are believers or non-believers. Some people are dirty, they lie, they walk all over others. Other people are honest, kind, compassionate and considerate. They do not feel the need to try to force everyone they meet into thinking exactly as they do. They are able to just look for the commonalities and strive for a peaceful coexistence. Most are a mix, but hopefully have more of the latter qualities.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #248 - November 21, 2009, 04:56 AM
    Quote from: safiya on November 21, 2009, 04:29 AM
    Do you think you became a whole new person just because you took the piece of cloth off your head? No, you have the same personality, the same weaknesses, the same strengths, etc.

    Fuck off yourself. Fuck off from everything that you're doing. Stop feeding the flames. But you won't. Cause you love it. And it's making you new friends. They won't accept you as blindly (for long) as your old friends that you tossed in the bin. This is just about the only way you'll get it so you should be thanking us.


    Astagfirullah, you said the F word. Naughty naughty little girl.
    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #249 - November 21, 2009, 04:59 AM
    Quote from: Sunny on November 21, 2009, 04:54 AM
    I note that you have a very horrid way of arguing with people and I think that when you find the need to say the kind of things you did to Safiya, in order to upset people, that it is in fact that "dirty side of human behavoir. Belief or non-belief, humans tend to usually do that.'' which you yourself mentioned (albeit in relation to certain athiests).


    As I said before Sunny, I'm very straightforward with my opinions. What I say, I mean. But I do consider other points before I make my own. As you have already noticed, I've corrected myself few posts ago about few things. I don't make my arguments to upset people. When people get upset, it's from their own choice. I haven't got upset from any of the things you've argued Sunny. So please, don't use that emotional card on me. Thanks.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #250 - November 21, 2009, 05:14 AM
     parrot
    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #251 - November 21, 2009, 05:15 AM
    Stupid parrots.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #252 - November 21, 2009, 05:15 AM
    Quote from: safiya on November 21, 2009, 04:29 AM
    Do you think you became a whole new person just because you took the piece of cloth off your head? No, you have the same personality, the same weaknesses, the same strengths, etc.

    Fuck off yourself. Fuck off from everything that you're doing. Stop feeding the flames. But you won't. Cause you love it. And it's making you new friends. They won't accept you as blindly (for long) as your old friends that you tossed in the bin. This is just about the only way you'll get it so you should be thanking us.


    "Fuck off yourself" LOL

    Jeez you are rude.
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #253 - November 21, 2009, 05:19 AM
    CC. You missed the opening salvo in that little exchange.
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #254 - November 21, 2009, 05:22 AM
    I wonder too in what way is Kimdonesia is respecting Islam by making friends with a person who leaves messages like this in comments on youtube "Mohammedanism needs to be insulted at all times. ZERO respect for your gay-ass superstition. Blasphemy is a must!"

    You can say everyone is entitled to their opinion if you want to, and you are correct...we all can have our opinions....

    However, Kimdonesia says she doesnt want to say negative things about Islam Islam.... but what do her Muslim friends think when they see she has befriended the person that writes those kind of comments?

    I think that she has a very naive view of the world. To begin with she thinks it revolves around her, secondly (and perhaps because of the first point) she does not realise that everything has implications, that things don't happen in a vacuum and that people need to be take responsibility for the role they play in things...to think otherwise is childish and selfish.

    She has favourited her own de-conversion video with has description as follows: "She used to be a relatively prominent member of the Muslim community on YouTube and a postergirl for the "wonders" of the "Religion of Peace". Thank the non-existent gods she had the brains to see through the lies and bullshit of the rotten "Religion of Peace".

    At the end of her video she talks of those ''muslims'' who no longer want to be friends with her...and how if she had known they were going to be like that in the future she wouldn't have befriended them anyway! Lol. The same could be said by them too of course. Particularly since she's now set about generalising Muslims and bad mouthing them!

    At least by doing these things she is making it clear how she feels about her Muslim friends...so they won't embarrass themselves by trying to remain friends. But I still repeat that I don't think she shouldn't be lying about that and putting the blame entirely on them....
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #255 - November 21, 2009, 05:25 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkFefwmtts&NR=1
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #256 - November 21, 2009, 06:01 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 21, 2009, 05:19 AM
    CC. You missed the opening salvo in that little exchange.


    Whats an opening salvo? Sorry I am not familiar with that term lol
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #257 - November 21, 2009, 06:06 AM
    Quote from: Sunny on November 21, 2009, 05:22 AM
    I wonder too in what way is Kimdonesia is respecting Islam by making friends with a person who leaves messages like this in comments on youtube "Mohammedanism needs to be insulted at all times. ZERO respect for your gay-ass superstition. Blasphemy is a must!"

    You can say everyone is entitled to their opinion if you want to, and you are correct...we all can have our opinions....

    However, Kimdonesia says she doesnt want to say negative things about Islam Islam.... but what do her Muslim friends think when they see she has befriended the person that writes those kind of comments?

    I think that she has a very naive view of the world. To begin with she thinks it revolves around her, secondly (and perhaps because of the first point) she does not realise that everything has implications, that things don't happen in a vacuum and that people need to be take responsibility for the role they play in things...to think otherwise is childish and selfish.

    She has favourited her own de-conversion video with has description as follows: "She used to be a relatively prominent member of the Muslim community on YouTube and a postergirl for the "wonders" of the "Religion of Peace". Thank the non-existent gods she had the brains to see through the lies and bullshit of the rotten "Religion of Peace".

    At the end of her video she talks of those ''muslims'' who no longer want to be friends with her...and how if she had known they were going to be like that in the future she wouldn't have befriended them anyway! Lol. The same could be said by them too of course. Particularly since she's now set about generalising Muslims and bad mouthing them!

    At least by doing these things she is making it clear how she feels about her Muslim friends...so they won't embarrass themselves by trying to remain friends. But I still repeat that I don't think she shouldn't be lying about that and putting the blame entirely on them....


    Blah fucketty blah. Moving on.
    "But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron." [Qur'an (22:19-21)]
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #258 - November 21, 2009, 06:17 AM
    @ Kimdonesia...wow, intelligent the way you're thinking about these issues.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #259 - November 21, 2009, 06:22 AM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on November 21, 2009, 06:01 AM
    Whats an opening salvo? Sorry I am not familiar with that term lol

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/salvo  grin12
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #260 - November 21, 2009, 06:59 AM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on November 21, 2009, 06:01 AM
    Whats an opening salvo? Sorry I am not familiar with that term lol


    I think what he is trying to say is that it was started by Kimdonesia saying "Seriously, fuck off. "
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #261 - November 21, 2009, 08:00 AM
    Is this still going on?  LOL. 
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #262 - November 21, 2009, 08:09 AM
    KimDonesia....From Lombok? Now I owe Aluang Anak Bayang 100.000rp....just kidding.

    Haha, dont worry about it, you're orang bule, so you are supposed to be a murtad anyway (you know what I mean  Wink), and besides Indonesians are like the biggest munafiqs on the planet anyway.

    You can just tell everyone you discovered the Kejawan and converted to true Agama Jawa. That's way cooler.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #263 - November 21, 2009, 09:09 AM
    Quote from: Salem1111 on November 21, 2009, 02:19 AM
    There are plenty of evidence. You just refuse to see it or do not bother. It is enough to say that we are born believers in God. You are born with the idea of Go's existence planted in your head. What more do you need?
    Billions of people would go to Hell because that is the price of free will. If there is free will some people are going to end up in Hell. We have to deal with and live along.
    God does not torture His creation. If you are talking about Hell, then that is the just punishment for the rejectors of God.
    If there is anything totally contrary to logic, it is atheism honestly.


    I really want to discuss this with you Saleem, but I'm rushing out now, so could you start another thread (as it is off topic) and post this and I will be back later and reply - cheers Smiley
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #264 - November 21, 2009, 09:11 AM
    Quote from: Salem1111 on November 21, 2009, 03:20 AM
    Islam does not mean submission. Isteslam means submission. When you merge Salam (Peace) and Isteslam (Surrender or submission) you get Islam.


    Islam means Submission.

    Salaam means Peace.

    Istislaam means surrender.

    Islam is not a combination of Salam and Istislaam.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #265 - November 21, 2009, 09:31 AM
    Quote from: Sunny on November 21, 2009, 05:25 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZkFefwmtts&NR=1



    I think Catherine Tate has a new character, the Chavvy Muslim Smiley
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #266 - November 21, 2009, 09:36 AM
    Quote from: ExKimDonesia on November 21, 2009, 03:11 AM
    I find it so funny that so many Muslims are doing Google searches for my name. I am not here to communicate with Muslims - quite frankly, I want absolutely nothing to do with most of the Muslims anymore. I came here to communicate and get moral support from people who are similar to me.

    So run along, Muslims. Stop caring so much about me and my life. Get jobs, hobbies, something other than constantly Googling my name to see what's going on in my life.



    After reading through all of this, it appears you love it, so don't knock it. Imagine no attention? How horrible! Youtube, so much to answer for.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #267 - November 21, 2009, 09:49 AM
    Quote
    There are plenty of evidence.


    Great! Can you give us just one?

    So we can test if this stands up to scrutiny?


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    You just refuse to see it or do not bother.
    --------

    No brother. I don't refuse. I just don't find any evidence.

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    It is enough to say that we are born believers in God.
    -----

    And you know this because you have objectively verifiable evidence right?


    Can you point to that evidence please?

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    You are born with the idea of Go's existence planted in your head.
    ---------

    Again you know this because you have objectively verifiable evidence right?

    -------
    Billions of people would go to Hell because that is the price of free will.
    --------

    Omniscient and Omnipotent God does not allow for free will but that's for another thread.

    But torturing people for all eternity for merely exercising their free will is sadism.

    --------
    If there is free will some people are going to end up in Hell.
    -----

    To be tortured for all eternity for merely exercising the free will?

    that is stupid.


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    We have to deal with and live along.
    ----

    I have by rejecting such an idea of torturing God.

    And so has billions of others.


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    God does not torture His creation.
    ----

    Then obviously you are not very familiar with your Gods Book.


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    If you are talking about Hell, then that is the just punishment for the rejectors of God.
    --------

    Punish yes. Torture No!

    Say No To Torture!


    Eternal Torture is not Justice. It's Sadism.


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    If there is anything totally contrary to logic, it is atheism honestly.
    ------

    And you know this because you are grand master in logic?


    Tell me this logic please?





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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #268 - November 21, 2009, 09:54 AM
    Rubaiyat, can you use quote tags please?  It makes your posts hard to follow when you don't.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #269 - November 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
    Quote from: Salem1111 on November 21, 2009, 02:19 AM
    There are plenty of evidence. You just refuse to see it or do not bother. It is enough to say that we are born believers in God. You are born with the idea of Go's existence planted in your head. What more do you need?


    Really do babies pray to god when they are born?  Can you show me a scientific study that proves this?  And why god and not many gods?
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