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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #420 - November 23, 2009, 02:37 AM
    Quote from: ras111 on November 23, 2009, 02:29 AM
    Trumora, are you a fan of Eddie Izard by any chance?


    LOL you caught me. I find that sketch hysterical!

    Quote from: MangoStar on November 23, 2009, 02:31 AM
    Actually Kim, if you head on over to a few on the Muslimah blogs, you'd find that you've got some crazy stalkers who post comments about your most recent activity. A few of these sisters have no problem approving such stuff either.


    Some are being supportive and trying to shut up the bad ones, but....

    Quote from: ExKimDonesia on November 23, 2009, 02:34 AM
    WTF... That is slightly disturbing.

    *looks out the window nervously*


    .... there's a bunch of crazy ones! I don't really know what they are so mad about. So many of my friends don't believe in what I believe. Who cares? I like them for them.
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #421 - November 23, 2009, 02:37 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 02:37 AM
    Kim, change your name, and your avatar, and lay low for a while.


    yep, I would advice the same. Maybe come back in disguise?  cool2
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #422 - November 23, 2009, 02:40 AM
    You should also move. I suggest Trindad and Tobago.
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #423 - November 23, 2009, 02:46 AM
    I agree trumora, there are some sisters who are supportive of Kim's decision, but there are a few who actually make me feel uneasy my damn self. Eh, I wouldn't so much as lay low, but I'd change my user names. It makes it easier for these crazies to find you.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #424 - November 23, 2009, 03:25 AM
    I find it a bit hypocritical that some of you are trying to argue with the Muslim posters about Islam and discredit or disprove their beliefs. As an atheist, I'm sure you're sick of people always trying to do the same by trying to "prove" that God is real. Why can't you just accept that this is what some people believe, and leave it at that?

    And as for the Muslims posting about Kim, what does her decision to not be a Muslim anymore have to do with you? I'd think there's much more important things going on in the world right now and in your lives than some girl on the internet who made videos once in a while..
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #425 - November 23, 2009, 03:27 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:25 AM
    Why can't you just accept that this is what some people believe, and leave it at that?




    Kinda defeats the purpose of schools then doesn't it? I mean, some people are massively ignorant about science, and much rather cling on to superstitions. So why not leave it at that? It's just what some people believe.  Tongue
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #426 - November 23, 2009, 03:34 AM
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    I find it a bit hypocritical that some of you are trying to argue with the Muslim posters about Islam and discredit or disprove their beliefs.


    What's hypocritical about that?  We don't share their beliefs so why wouldn't we argue against them?

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    As an atheist, I'm sure you're sick of people always trying to do the same by trying to "prove" that God is real.


    Oh no, on the contrary, I absolutely love it when God botherers try and prove that their imaginary friend is real.  So does every other atheist I know, we even have a name for them...... chew toys.

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    Why can't you just accept that this is what some people believe, and leave it at that?

     

    We can leave it at that if you want, but its much more sport for the atheist crowd when you try and "prove" that God is real.  dance
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #427 - November 23, 2009, 03:38 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:27 AM
    Kinda defeats the purpose of schools then doesn't it? I mean, some people are massively ignorant about science, and much rather cling on to superstitions. So why not leave it at that? It's just what some people believe.  Tongue


    Obviously I was talking about religion. I just don't see the point in constantly attacking other people over why they believe in Islam and how it makes them "naive"..
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #428 - November 23, 2009, 03:40 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:38 AM
    Obviously I was talking about religion. I just don't see the point in constantly attacking other people over why they believe in Islam and how it makes them "naive"..

    Well do you see the point in constantly correcting a person that believes in human exorcism over psychiatric treatment of Schizophrenic patients?
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #429 - November 23, 2009, 03:40 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 23, 2009, 03:34 AM
    What's hypocritical about that?  We don't share their beliefs so why wouldn't we argue against them?

    Oh no, on the contrary, I absolutely love it when God botherers try and prove that their imaginary friend is real.  So does every other atheist I know, we even have a name for them...... chew toys.
      

    We can leave it at that if you want, but its much more sport for the atheist crowd when you try and "prove" that God is real.  dance


    Just because you don't share someone's beliefs doesn't mean you should start in on people and argue "against them".  Islam is just as much a belief as Atheism is.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #430 - November 23, 2009, 03:41 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:40 AM
    Islam is just as much a belief as Atheism is.


    Atheism is not a belief. It's the exact opposite.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #431 - November 23, 2009, 03:45 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:40 AM
    Well do you see the point in constantly correcting a person that believes in human exorcism over psychiatric treatment of Schizophrenic patients?


    I don't see what mental illness has to do with religion.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #432 - November 23, 2009, 03:46 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:41 AM
    Atheism is not a belief. It's the exact opposite.


    Call it what you want, but it's still a belief or set of beliefs that vary to me.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #433 - November 23, 2009, 03:47 AM
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    Just because you don't share someone's beliefs doesn't mean you should start in on people and argue "against them".  Islam is just as much a belief as Atheism is.


    Islam pretends to be the truth, but has no evidence.  Atheism has no evidence either way and doesn't pretend to.  Therefore, atheists have every right to challenge those who claim to preach the "truth."
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #434 - November 23, 2009, 03:47 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:46 AM
    Call it what you want, but it's still a belief or set of beliefs that vary to me.


    Atheism is a lack of belief. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #435 - November 23, 2009, 03:47 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:45 AM
    I don't see what mental illness has to do with religion.


    Ever heard of Jinn Exorcisms?
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #436 - November 23, 2009, 03:49 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:40 AM
    Just because you don't share someone's beliefs doesn't mean you should start in on people and argue "against them".  Islam is just as much a belief as Atheism is.


    I think you missed some points on the whole discussion on this thread. People started arguing when others also were. I think if you are a Muslim and you enter a forum for former Muslims you kinda know what to expect. Most of the time Islam was used to break Muslim's argments e.g. talking about the girls life X the islamic rules on gossip.

    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:41 AM
    Atheism is not a belief. It's the exact opposite.


    that really depends. some people use it as a belief system. I knew an atheist girl who was always talking about it, reading about it and when she talked to me sounded like she was trying to "convert" me. (no, I've had nice healthy arguments with atheists before... that was not the case). I think some people have a tendency to be radical on anything. even food.
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #437 - November 23, 2009, 03:54 AM
    Quote from: trumora on November 23, 2009, 03:49 AM
    I think some people have a tendency to be radical on anything. even food.


    Absolutely. I couldn't agree more--I too have seen annoying atheists like that. But the difference is that it's the people making it out to be a set of beliefs. Atheism by definition is not a set of beliefs. It's the exact opposite.

    Although I do admit there are annoying Atheists like your friend that you mentioned, it should be noted that there is a distinction between when a person constantly talks about it in order to bring you to their side (like a salesman) when the subject of the conversation does not even pertain to religion, and when an Atheist tries to prove a point when the subject does pertain to religion.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #438 - November 23, 2009, 03:57 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 23, 2009, 03:47 AM
    Islam pretends to be the truth, but has no evidence.  Atheism has no evidence either way and doesn't pretend to.  Therefore, atheists have every right to challenge those who claim to preach the "truth."


    If you're an atheist, you're saying that you believe God does not exist, right? That's a truth.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #439 - November 23, 2009, 03:57 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:47 AM
    Ever heard of Jinn Exorcisms?


    Nope.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #440 - November 23, 2009, 03:58 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:54 AM
    Absolutely. I couldn't agree more--I too have seen annoying atheists like that. But the difference is that it's the people making it out to be a set of beliefs. Atheism by definition is not a set of beliefs. It's the exact opposite.

    Although I do admit there are annoying Atheists like your friend that you mentioned, it should be noted that there is a distinction between when a person constantly talks about it in order to bring you to their side (like a salesman) when the subject of the conversation does not even pertain to religion, and when an Atheist tries to prove a point when the subject does pertain to religion.




    Yes, I agree. Many people can't see the difference. You can have conversations with people without necessarily trying to make them believe in what you believe in. I've loved the arguments I had with my atheist friends (the healthy ones, not crazy wacko lady) as I learned a lot. But I still believe in my "imaginary friend" and they don't. And we are cool with that.
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #441 - November 23, 2009, 03:59 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:57 AM
    If you're an atheist, you're saying that you believe God does not exist, right? That's a truth.


    If you hear an Atheist say that, distrust them--or punch em in the face. Either way, they are wrong. The truth is, we can't know if there is a god or not (also that the existence of god is very improbable), so we have no reason to subscribe to any belief of a personal god.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #442 - November 23, 2009, 04:00 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:57 AM
    Nope.


    Demon exorcism?
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  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #443 - November 23, 2009, 04:01 AM
    Quote from: trumora on November 23, 2009, 03:58 AM
    But I still believe in my "imaginary friend" and they don't. And we are cool with that.

     So long as you're not stopping anyone else from thinking for themselves and you're not creating bigotry, you're free to privately believe anything you want. I have no problem with that.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #444 - November 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 03:59 AM
    If you hear an Atheist say that, distrust them--or punch em in the face. Either way, they are wrong. The truth is, we can't know if there is a god or not (also that the existence of god is very improbable), so we have no reason to subscribe to any belief of a personal god.


    But believing in one, even if it turns out there is not one, can't hurt.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #445 - November 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 04:00 AM
    Demon exorcism?


    Yes.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #446 - November 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 03:57 AM
    If you're an atheist, you're saying that you believe God does not exist, right? That's a truth.


    I am an atheist, and that means I lack belief in any deity.  It isn't a positive belief, its a lack of one.  Calling atheism a belief is like calling bald a hair colour.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #447 - November 23, 2009, 04:07 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
    But believing in one, even if it turns out there is not one, can't hurt.


    Very true. But in Islam and Christianity's case, it does hurt non-believers. Not the actual believes themselves, but the believers that carry out the orders from the Quran and the Bible when they take it literally.

    As you may or may not have noticed, we don't hate god believers. We question them to engage in thought provoking convos. but we don't hate them--and we certainly don't try to turn them in to Atheism or Agnosticism. Only time when we may appear to be harsh is when we have Muslim members here spewing hate all over the forum.
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #448 - November 23, 2009, 04:07 AM
    Quote from: xoBadr on November 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
    Yes.


    And you don't think religion have anything to do with it?
    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Famous Muslim to infamous Murtad
     Reply #449 - November 23, 2009, 04:09 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
      Calling atheism a belief is like calling bald a hair colour.


    LOL I loved that one!  Cheesy


    Quote from: Tommy on November 23, 2009, 04:07 AM

    As you may or may not have noticed, we don't hate god believers.


    see? tommy doesn't hate me. and he will give me some cupcakes.
    tea and cake or death!!!

    "Dear Josh, we came by to fuck you, but you were not home. Therefore... you are gay."  Ghost World
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