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  • Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     OP - November 23, 2009, 07:41 PM
    Ali putting his boot up Hitchens ass:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaApbnvA8Is&feature=related
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #1 - November 23, 2009, 08:18 PM
    Tariq Ali is awesome
    fuck you
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #2 - November 23, 2009, 09:08 PM
    What is the debate about? I like Tariq Ali.
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #3 - November 23, 2009, 10:07 PM
    Its about politics
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #4 - November 23, 2009, 11:06 PM
    international politics
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #5 - November 24, 2009, 12:37 AM
    I always feel left out when people talk about politics, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Is anybody the same?
    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #6 - November 24, 2009, 03:01 AM
    Pretty much Tariq Ali notes the role of America using political Islam to its own ends during the cold war but now they're whining about the fact that there is a backlash.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #7 - November 24, 2009, 04:22 AM
    When it comes to politics, Hitchens is a hypocritical, two-timing, spineless, America-worshipping, and blundering opportunist.

    His bank accounts prove it. The money he has received from people like Ahmed Chalabi, American evangelicals, Zionist lobbyists, and neoconservative fraudsters makes his 'political credibility' worth two degrees below dog shit.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #8 - November 24, 2009, 09:01 AM
    Quote from: atheist.pk on November 24, 2009, 04:22 AM
    When it comes to politics, Hitchens is a hypocritical, two-timing, spineless, America-worshipping, and blundering opportunist.

    His bank accounts prove it. The money he has received from people like Ahmed Chalabi, American evangelicals, Zionist lobbyists, and neoconservative fraudsters makes his 'political credibility' worth two degrees below dog shit.


    I assume you're a frequent reader of 'Mission Islam' with its wonderful 'New World Order' section.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #9 - November 24, 2009, 09:51 AM
    Quote from: Infidel on November 24, 2009, 12:37 AM
    I always feel left out when people talk about politics, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Is anybody the same?



    All politics???  You mean you're not interested?
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #10 - November 24, 2009, 02:51 PM
    Watch Tariq the tree hugger get crunched by the Krauthammer Smiley

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87O72K-y68g
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #11 - November 24, 2009, 03:23 PM
    I don't see no tree hugger being crunched, just another stuffed shirt American nutjob admitting that the USA just loves a good ol' pointless 'revenge war'.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #12 - November 24, 2009, 03:46 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on November 24, 2009, 03:23 PM
    I don't see no tree hugger being crunched, just another stuffed shirt American nutjob admitting that the USA just loves a good ol' pointless 'revenge war'.


    Tariq makes some valid points but at the same time - look at Pakistan and its retrograde and backwards culture, home of 'rage boy' and other such religious nuts.

    It goes back to what I said, people with the inability to ask themselves why they suck and then ask the question what can they do so that they don't suck as much. The Muslim world is unwilling to admit they collectively 'suck' and fail to accept that embracing modernity will improve their position on the totem poll of international influence.

    Once they take those steps, then it is all up hill from there - the Muslim world is like the alcoholic still in the stage of, "I don't have a drinking problem, I'm just very social". One day the Muslim will hit rock bottom (hopefully won't pull the rest of the world down with it) and have to face the need to detox (embrace secularism) and relegate islam to the Mosque where it is a fully private experience as what has happened with religion in the west.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #13 - November 24, 2009, 04:26 PM
    rage boy comes from Indian Occupied Kashmir  Cheesy talk about shooting yourself in the foot, don't you think you'll be better suited to FFI and these articles:

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/fear-freedom

    I think you'll find a larger fan-base there with your ridiculous rhetoric, you posted a video in which Tariq Ali once more kicks Krauthammer lol this guy just in the video says: "I don't give a damn about responsibility" what kind of Humpty-Dumpty world do you live in?  
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #14 - November 24, 2009, 04:27 PM
    By the way Tariq Ali, is an atheist and not a Muslim, his father was also an Atheist.   
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #15 - November 24, 2009, 05:11 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on November 24, 2009, 04:27 PM
    By the way Tariq Ali, is an atheist and not a Muslim, his father was also an Atheist.   


    I never said he was a Muslim.
    "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #16 - November 24, 2009, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: kaiwai on November 24, 2009, 03:46 PM
    Tariq makes some valid points but at the same time - look at Pakistan and its retrograde and backwards culture, home of 'rage boy' and other such religious nuts.

    It goes back to what I said, people with the inability to ask themselves why they suck and then ask the question what can they do so that they don't suck as much. The Muslim world is unwilling to admit they collectively 'suck' and fail to accept that embracing modernity will improve their position on the totem poll of international influence.

    Once they take those steps, then it is all up hill from there - the Muslim world is like the alcoholic still in the stage of, "I don't have a drinking problem, I'm just very social". One day the Muslim will hit rock bottom (hopefully won't pull the rest of the world down with it) and have to face the need to detox (embrace secularism) and relegate islam to the Mosque where it is a fully private experience as what has happened with religion in the west.



    By the way Kaiwai, may I congratulate you on being jester of the month - well done sir!
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #17 - November 24, 2009, 05:25 PM
    Tariq Ali is a treehugger? Whatever. He's against imperialist interventions. A treehugger is someone who's primary concern is protecting the natural environment. That ain't Ali's main concern. Ali's main concern is very simple and consistent-- countries and supranational entities like NATO stay out of other countries' business. Such interference is normally for the purpose of economic exploitation, and even when the best of motives are involved, foreign interference almost always makes the situation worse, because people in the effected country get defensive and often turn to reactionary movements.

    He's absolutely correct. And anyone who disagrees with him on this fundamental point is either ignorant/naive or immoral in my opinion.
    fuck you
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #18 - November 25, 2009, 05:40 PM
    Quote from: kaiwai on November 24, 2009, 09:01 AM
    I assume you're a frequent reader of 'Mission Islam' with its wonderful 'New World Order' section.



    http://social-statics.blogspot.com/
    (not for the weak minded, but do search for the articles directed at Hitchens and his buffoonery)

    http://christopherhitchenswatch.blogspot.com/

    You should also take a read, my friend.

    And I am correct on my views regarding the fat whiskey-addicted smelly beached whale that is Hitchens. If Hitchens was a religious man, he would be a perfect candidate for running his own Jesus Camp.

    And the best part? Hitchens himself doesnt deny the allegations of him taking money from the people and groups I have mentioned.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #19 - November 25, 2009, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: kaiwai on November 24, 2009, 03:46 PM
    Tariq makes some valid points but at the same time - look at Pakistan and its retrograde and backwards culture, home of 'rage boy' and other such religious nuts.

    It goes back to what I said, people with the inability to ask themselves why they suck and then ask the question what can they do so that they don't suck as much. The Muslim world is unwilling to admit they collectively 'suck' and fail to accept that embracing modernity will improve their position on the totem poll of international influence.

    Once they take those steps, then it is all up hill from there - the Muslim world is like the alcoholic still in the stage of, "I don't have a drinking problem, I'm just very social". One day the Muslim will hit rock bottom (hopefully won't pull the rest of the world down with it) and have to face the need to detox (embrace secularism) and relegate islam to the Mosque where it is a fully private experience as what has happened with religion in the west.

    Sure, why not also ask the West to get out of supporting all the dictators and monarchs and jihadists in the Muslim World for their own economic and 'colonialism via remote control' (as I call it) interests ?

    When it comes to exploitation and outright murder, the West is even dirtier than a Third World slum in what is most of the Muslim World.

    Tariq Ali may belong from a leftist/Marxist background, but when it comes to discussing geopolitics, I have yet to see someone else who knows what he talks about and has experienced this first hand with proper rationale and facts.

    He is no tree hugger, and he is no chauvinist for the West either.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #20 - November 25, 2009, 05:54 PM
    Any web site described as something watch I am instinctively dismissive of.  It invariably involves a wander into tin foil hat, quote mine territory, (see also - Dawkins watch, Jew watch, Islam watch).

    Quote
    And I am correct on my views regarding the fat whiskey-addicted smelly beached whale that is Hitchens.


    And if this opinion is based on what you read on Hitchens watch, my suspicions are confirmed.
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #21 - November 25, 2009, 06:01 PM
    No its not based on entirely what I read on Hitchens Watch Smiley

    His disastrous geopolitical dishonesty from the whole 'Iraq has WMDs and supported AlQaeda' (which he often still writes about) is what made me raise my eyebrows.

    And then everything he said about his America-centric geopolitical views made me convinced even more about what he is. Hitchens Watch merely complimented what I suspected about him.

    Other than that, he is spot on in his decimation of religion, which I often like. But he is not famous for being a religious expert. What he is really known for does not amuse me.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #22 - November 25, 2009, 06:02 PM
    Like a said, Hichens is a xenophobe - that's why I boycott his books, I don't have a problem with his drinking whisky but coming to give lectures or having conversations when off your head is bound to end in tears. 
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #23 - November 25, 2009, 06:03 PM
    I worry about the health of his liver, kidneys, and also lungs given he is/was a chain smoker  grin12
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #24 - November 25, 2009, 06:05 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on November 25, 2009, 06:02 PM
    Like a said, Hichens is a xenophobe - that's why I boycott his books, I don't have a problem with his drinking whisky but coming to give lectures or having conversations when off your head is bound to end in tears. 


    Tears of laughter, Hitchens can be amusing with a few drinks in him. 

    However, he sometimes talks pure shite and sometimes talks sense.  Like most people really.   parrot
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #25 - November 25, 2009, 06:08 PM
    Regardless of his views I love Hitchens, simply because he's entertaining and you know he's not going to pull any punches. Being a rather shallow and superficial person I often watch interviews, debates and comments for entertainment purposes rather than intellectual discussion. Hitchens delivers everytime.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #26 - November 25, 2009, 06:11 PM
    Yes sometimes he has been amusing but sometimes his been so pissed, I mean in the four horsemen discourse the guy was sipping whisky at every chance he had, and near the end you were left thinking what the hell is he talking about?

    Sam Harris is my hero, he is a genius

    The four horsemen:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E

     
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #27 - November 25, 2009, 06:12 PM
    Quote from: Kafirist on November 25, 2009, 06:08 PM
    Regardless of his views I love Hitchens, simply because he's entertaining and you know he's not going to pull any punches. Being a rather shallow and superficial person I often watch interviews, debates and comments for entertainment purposes rather than intellectual discussion. Hitchens delivers everytime.

    Lol that's exactly why I often love seeing Alex Jones' (looney) documentaries  grin12 Not because of what he promotes and states (which sometimes is correct in some cases) but because he does his stuff in a very entertaining way.

    I love conspiracy theory documentaries  Cheesy Maybe I need help  Cry ^_^

    p.s. I love Dennett.
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #28 - November 25, 2009, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on November 25, 2009, 06:11 PM
    Yes sometimes he has been amusing but sometimes his been so pissed, I mean in the four horsemen discourse the guy was sipping whisky at every chance he had, and near the end you were left thinking what the hell is he talking about?

    Sam Harris is my hero, he is a genius

    The four horsemen:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E

     

    Yeah - this ones been posted & discussed (while you were away)
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  • Re: Tariq Ali vs Christopher Hitchens
     Reply #29 - November 25, 2009, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on November 25, 2009, 06:11 PM
    Yes sometimes he has been amusing but sometimes his been so pissed, I mean in the four horsemen discourse the guy was sipping whisky at every chance he had, and near the end you were left thinking what the hell is he talking about?

    Sam Harris is my hero, he is a genius

    The four horsemen:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyUz2XLp1E

     



    So true about the 'hurt feelings card' that always comes out because, as he says,  religion is made impossible to critique without resorting to rudeness. A highly annoying trait.
    Ha Ha.
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